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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
I wonder what they charge for a bible?

The Roman Catholic Church has traditionally opposed Bibles in the hands of the laity.

From the Council of Toulouse:

Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books.

From the Council of Tarragona:

Canon 2. No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned lest, be he a cleric or a layman, he be suspected until he is cleared of all suspicion.

And the current RCC has been silent on the matter of allowing private interpretation although they've had to get with the program on free speech because their bans on vernacular Bibles (which were last stated in the 1983 Code of Canon Law) are wholly irrelavant to the citizens of free nations. The RCC may yet still frown on people having their own Bibles but they are utterly powerless to do anything about it.

Which is as it should be.

43 posted on 10/12/2007 6:36:56 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Miller Beer? I *pee* better beer.)
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To: PeterFinn
The RCC may yet still frown on people having their own Bibles but they are utterly powerless to do anything about it.

I guess all those nuns, priests and religous ed. teachers I had in parochial schools didn't get that memo. They made me carry the bible to class every day.
51 posted on 10/12/2007 7:51:43 PM PDT by bagadonutz (The road goes on forever and the party never ends! - R E Keene)
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To: PeterFinn

The idea that the laity shouldn’t have bibles is crap.


54 posted on 10/12/2007 7:57:00 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: PeterFinn
The RCC may yet still frown on people having their own Bibles but they are utterly powerless to do anything about it.

Nonsense. I went to a catholic high school and not only were we required to have a copy of the bible and to read it, we were given the opportunity to participate in sharing our interpretations of it in class.

57 posted on 10/12/2007 8:35:40 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: PeterFinn

What is your source?

I find no mention of any such documents, except on the ameteur web pages of counter-catholic apologists. I also find a book published in the 19th century by John McClintock. Even that book cites the Council only as a regional, and permits the use of the breviary (which McClintock probably didn’t realize includes the entire NT and Psalmistry), and even then for the purpose of suppressing the Albigensian heresy. The modern websites use the same lanugage as this book, as does yours, so I presume it is their source. Yet the words they put into the mouth of the Church are plainly those of McClintock, who uses such words as “Romish” in describing other canons of this council.

It seems there certainly were several such councils. The ones of 1109 and 1219 are, at the very least, far more famous. In 1229, the Dominican Inquisition was formed, which makes subsequent councils seem unlikely.

Some of the same sources cite a Council of Tarragona, shortly thereafter. There was a 6th century synod of Tarragona, but that is plainly not what you are referring to. I googled “COuncil of Tarragona” and “Romance language” and got only eight results, omitting duplicates.

The prime source for that seems to be Ellen Gould White. She claimed that the pope’s tiara was inscribed with “666.” I’ve seen the tiara. She also claimed that the pope’s title was Vicarius Filii Dei, and that added up to 666. The Pope has probably been referenced by 100 titles in official documents. That appears in no official documents. (The Pope is vicar of Christ in his human nature, Son of Man, not in his divine nature.)


67 posted on 10/12/2007 9:45:10 PM PDT by dangus
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