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As Logging Fades, Rich Carve Up Open Land in West
New York Times ^ | October 13, 2007 | Kirk Johnson

Posted on 10/13/2007 4:56:07 AM PDT by reaganaut1

WHITEFISH, Mont. — William P. Foley II pointed to the mountain. Owns it, mostly. A timber company began logging in view of his front yard a few years back. He thought they were cutting too much, so he bought the land. Mr. Foley belongs to a new wave of investors and landowners across the West who are snapping up open spaces as private playgrounds on the borders of national parks and national forests.

In style and temperament, this new money differs greatly from the Western land barons of old — the timber magnates, copper kings and cattlemen who created the extraction-based economy that dominated the region for a century.

Mr. Foley, 62, standing by his private pond, his horses grazing in the distance, proudly calls himself a conservationist who wants Montana to stay as wild as possible.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: cattle; landuse; logging; openspace; ranching; timber
If someone wants to buy some land for a "private playground", that's his right. I have more respect for people who properly use the land to produce things we need, such as lumber for homes.
1 posted on 10/13/2007 4:56:11 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

Will he maintain it or just look at it?

Proper logging is better for the ecology than leaving it primordial.


2 posted on 10/13/2007 5:09:17 AM PDT by bill1952 (The 10 most important words for change: "If it is to be, it is up to me")
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To: reaganaut1
"He thought they were cutting too much, so he bought the land."

How quaint. Arrogant rich bastards are so charming. I think his horses crap too much so they need to be shot.

3 posted on 10/13/2007 5:31:09 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: Past Your Eyes
Well, if you buy his horses, then you can shoot 'em.

I think buying land so that it can do nothing is dumb. But people can do what they want with their money. The strategy of buying land to get it out of the extraction business is much better than petitioning the government to make the extraction business illegal.

I figure in a generation or two, people will realize that putting the land to good use is just smarter than owning land because it looks pretty.

Worst-case scenario is that the old conservationists give the land to the federal government to avoid property taxes. Then it's off the market forever.

4 posted on 10/13/2007 5:38:45 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: reaganaut1

So what did he do for a living to make all that money?


5 posted on 10/13/2007 6:22:08 AM PDT by Clock King (Bring the noise!)
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To: reaganaut1

Good for them. If the land is for sale, there’s nothing wrong with anybody buying it. Put your money where your mouth is; if you want land to stay open, then buy it instead of forcing government (= taxpayers) to buy it for you. This man and people like him are at least doing something useful with their money.


6 posted on 10/13/2007 6:23:02 AM PDT by Fairview ( Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Cheers to William Foley. He’s obviously taken von Mises to heart.


7 posted on 10/13/2007 6:25:22 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: Past Your Eyes

What’s your problem with this? Are you a communist? Do you dislike rich people, or just rich people who buy land? Is someone necessarily arrogant and a bastard because he buys mountain land for his own uses?

It astonishes me that some people on this thread are hostile toward an American who buys land of his own, using his own money, and maintains it as he pleases. That is certainly what I would do if I won the lottery. What’s the point of being rich if you can’t use your own land as you wish? Isn’t that what all the supporters of individual property rights want to see when they insist that landowners be allowed to use the land they own for logging or development? Well, this man and others like him want to use their land for looking at or riding across. It’s his land, he can do as he pleases with it.


8 posted on 10/13/2007 6:29:45 AM PDT by Fairview ( Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.)
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To: reaganaut1

Actually I like this better than the enviros trying to prevent owners from developing or logging by using the Endangered Species Act. If they want to keep someone from logging on their own land, they should buy the land.


9 posted on 10/13/2007 6:29:59 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: reaganaut1
Pacific Lumber has several acres of Redwoods here in Humboldt County next to the Headwaters forest they can’t log because the tree huggers bring lawsuit after lawsuit to thwart them. PL dropped a nuclear bomb last week by announcing they would sell 160 acre plots to the rich and the board of Stupidvisors over reacted and put a moratorium on all timer land. This set off a firestorm at Tuesdays meetin from ranchers and small timber land owners.

I have to leave for work but maybe someone can find it in the Times-Standard. See ya later...

10 posted on 10/13/2007 6:37:51 AM PDT by tubebender (My weight is perfect for my height... which varies...)
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To: Clock King
So what did he do for a living to make all that money?

Better yet, does he want to adopt me?

11 posted on 10/13/2007 6:54:51 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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If these guys can buy the property for the asking price and pay the YEARLY property taxes without producing anything, then it’s their business.

Morons with money.


12 posted on 10/13/2007 7:19:34 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: bill1952

If he bought it fair and square it’s his, period.


13 posted on 10/13/2007 7:21:40 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Clock King
So what did he do for a living to make all that money?

Real estate, if this is the same guy: TPJ.

He seems to be a West Point graduate and a Bush supporter.

14 posted on 10/13/2007 7:35:47 AM PDT by decimon
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To: Travis McGee
> he bought it fair and square it’s his, period.

Well, we all know that, period.

I was just asking a question, and I hope that you see no problem with that.

15 posted on 10/13/2007 7:43:53 AM PDT by bill1952 (The 10 most important words for change: "If it is to be, it is up to me")
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To: tubebender
PL dropped a nuclear bomb last week by announcing they would sell 160 acre plots to the rich . . .

Be careful what you wish for.

Which is more harmful to the environment - clear-cutting or inserting macadam roads, large houses, sewage systems and electrical lines?

16 posted on 10/13/2007 8:05:11 AM PDT by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: ClearCase_guy
What you've said here is absolutely correct, but with one condition:

When these homes are threatened by catastrophic forest fires, let these folks deal with the problem themselves instead of calling for the government to come and put many lives at risk and spend millions of dollars protecting these homes.

17 posted on 10/13/2007 8:12:35 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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“Which is more harmful to the environment - clear-cutting or inserting macadam roads, large houses, sewage systems and electrical lines?”

Yeah - ‘The good news is that there will be no more logging here. The bad news is we have to bring the whole forest up to code.’


18 posted on 10/13/2007 9:32:24 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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