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Vatican Bars Gay Cleric After TV Program(No mo homo!)
newsmax.com ^ | October 13, 2007 | staff

Posted on 10/13/2007 9:05:10 AM PDT by kellynla

VATICAN CITY -- An Italian monsignor was suspended from his position at the Holy See after the cleric said in a television interview he "didn't feel he was sinning" by having sex with gay men, the Vatican and news reports said Saturday.

Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi told journalists that while the case was under investigation the monsignor was suspended from his job as a top official in the Vatican's Congregation for Clergy, an office which aims to ensure proper conduct by priests.

"The case is being handled with utmost reserve," Lombardi said.

A private Italian TV network earlier this month broadcast a program in which some priests were interviewed about their homosexuality, which Vatican teaching holds is a sin.

The men, including the monsignor who was suspended, were interviewed with their faces obscured and their voices altered so they would not be recognized. But Vatican officials recognized the Vatican office in which he was being interviewed, Rome daily La Repubblica reported on Saturday.

The monsignor during the interview said he "didn't feel he was sinning" by having sex with gay men, La Repubblica said.

The Vatican did not name the monsignor, who is Italian.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: catholicism; homosexual; homosexualclergy; homosexualpriests; vatican

1 posted on 10/13/2007 9:05:19 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: Salvation; NYer

ping

Maybe the Church has had a spine implant...finally!


2 posted on 10/13/2007 9:06:27 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Uh, it’s not a Vatican teaching that homosexual liaisons are a sin, but a Biblical one. In both the old and new Testaments.

Then there is also that little commandment concerning adultery...


3 posted on 10/13/2007 9:15:39 AM PDT by Don W (I wondered why the baseball was getting bigger. Then it hit me.)
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To: kellynla

That’s kinda tough to overlook, especially since his job is preventing people from him from becoming priests. His job probably has something to do with ensuring the seminaries don’t teach exactly what he says.


4 posted on 10/13/2007 9:16:27 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

If he said this on TV what the hell is there to investigate?


5 posted on 10/13/2007 9:21:32 AM PDT by mimaw
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To: kellynla
the monsignor was suspended from his job as a top official in the Vatican's Congregation for Clergy, an office which aims to ensure proper conduct by priests

It's beyond caricature here.

6 posted on 10/13/2007 9:23:34 AM PDT by Argus
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To: kellynla

He “didn’t feel he was sinning”? One has to wonder how some of these types ever make it into the clergy. I think it reflects the desperation of the church. If a priest does not understand the difference between brotherly love and gay sex he shouldn’t be in the order. I pray he has not used his position to have sex with more than gay men but I would doubt it. Gay men have always had taste for young prepubescent boys anyone who has studied the history knows this. The modern world looks the other way and pretends it isn’t true or turns every male on male molestation into an evil heterosexual man because everyone knows gay men can’t possibly harm anyone. I mean we can tell by their innocent little parades how normal they are.

It is good that the tide is holding in some places. If the Vatican had been more diligent in rejecting gay men or men with homosexual tendencies from the priesthood they could’ve avoided much of the controversy of the past few years. The denial has to stop but I doubt it will. People prefer to believe faery tales and proclaim their tolerance while their children are being buggered in the public schools and churches. God help the impressionable and lonely children of the world because those who should protect them cast the lions in among them and call the slaughter good.


7 posted on 10/13/2007 9:29:29 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Saying "No" does not mean that you have no heart but often means you clearly have a mind.)
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To: kellynla

**The men, including the monsignor who was suspended, were interviewed with their faces obscured and their voices altered so they would not be recognized. But Vatican officials recognized the Vatican office in which he was being interviewed, Rome daily La Repubblica reported on Saturday. **

Didn’t think of the background, huh? LOL!


8 posted on 10/13/2007 9:30:42 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: kellynla

The Catholic Church has always had a spine. It is the only Church who has stood up during the ages against homosexuality, against abortion, against euthanasia, against the connected heresies.

God bless Pope Benedict XVI!


9 posted on 10/13/2007 9:32:12 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Don W
Huh?

Chcck out your statements first! It is both Church stated (Vatican) and Biblical!!

What the Catechism of the Catholic Church says about homosexuality

10 posted on 10/13/2007 9:34:41 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: kellynla

Check the chanceries of many American diocese for more of the same. It’s one thing for these men to have conflicted feelings and urges, another to act on them and not feel guilt. This is what led to the priest/boy rape scandal.


11 posted on 10/13/2007 9:40:33 AM PDT by steve8714
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To: kellynla

now if only they would do this in the USA.


12 posted on 10/13/2007 9:41:43 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: kellynla
The men, including the monsignor who was suspended, were interviewed with their faces obscured and their voices altered so they would not be recognized. But Vatican officials recognized the Vatican office in which he was being interviewed...

I guess they should have taken the chiffon curtains down...

13 posted on 10/13/2007 9:48:29 AM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: Salvation

Well I respectfully disagree.
If not for those who were abused coming forward and those of us who DEMANDED the perverts be removed;
the hieracrchy would still be moving the perverts from one parish to another!

And there is still more work to be done.


14 posted on 10/13/2007 9:48:33 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Maelstorm
If the Vatican had been more diligent in rejecting gay men or men with homosexual tendencies from the priesthood they could’ve avoided much of the controversy of the past few years.

The Vatican banned the ordination of homosexuals in February of 1961. Now, had the Bishops, who are responsible for the screening and evaluation of candidates for ordination, not the Vatican, been obedient to the magisterium, as they are supposed to be, then the criminal and sexual sins of a small percentage of deviants masquerading as Priests could have been avoided.

15 posted on 10/13/2007 10:19:59 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: kellynla

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.


16 posted on 10/13/2007 10:28:42 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Take the wheel, Fred.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

“A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.”
are you talkin’ about the 5 freeway? LOL

now if you’re talkin’ ‘bout the homos...well I’ve been putting my “step” in the O.C. diocese for years. And we’ve removed two in my neighborhood.


17 posted on 10/13/2007 11:03:48 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Perhaps, fallout from:

Gay street opens in Rome
Yahoo News ^ | August 3, 2007 | MARTA FALCONI

Posted on 08/03/2007 11:36:13 AM PDT by NYer

Rome marked the opening of its first “Gay Street” with flags, banners and protests amid a row over a homosexual couple who claimed they were detained by police for kissing near the Colosseum.

Campaigners welcomed a 325-yard zone in the center of the city — filled with shops and bars — as an area where gays can “feel at ease,” after days of heated debate in predominantly Roman Catholic Italy over the kissing incident.

The two men were detained briefly last week for what the police said were lewd acts in public — a crime that can carry a sentence of up to two years in jail.

“This will be an area where people can feel at ease, and it is also meant to be a bridge between the citizens and the homosexual community,” activist Fabrizio Marrazzo, the Rome leader of Italy’s Arcigay gay rights movement, said Friday.

Police said the two were not just kissing and would have behaved the same way if it had been a heterosexual couple.

Right-wingers have protested the City Hall’s decision to close the area to traffic for three nights a week through Sept. 8.

“Nobody wants to condemn those who practice a different sexuality, but to dedicate a street only to gays and lesbians I think it’s a sort of useless and marginalizing project,” right wing politician Piergiorgio Benvenuti was quoted as saying by the daily Il Giornale.

Gay rights came into the spotlight in Italy when the government recently proposed a bill aimed at granting legal rights to unmarried and same-sex couples.

The legislation sparked controversy and angered the Vatican, which under Pope Benedict XVI has been conducting a fierce campaign to protect traditional marriage between a man and a woman. The bill requires parliamentary approval.


18 posted on 10/13/2007 11:06:38 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: longtermmemmory

$


19 posted on 10/13/2007 11:08:55 AM PDT by teldon30 (disgruntled 2nd class)
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To: kellynla
Wow, OC Diocese. Isn’t that where you get excommunicated for kneeling?
20 posted on 10/13/2007 11:53:21 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Take the wheel, Fred.)
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To: kellynla

How exactly does sinning “feel?”


21 posted on 10/13/2007 11:57:50 AM PDT by The Cuban
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To: kellynla
Maybe the Church has had a spine implant...

God knows it could use it.

22 posted on 10/13/2007 12:07:15 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Now, had the Bishops, who are responsible for the screening and evaluation of candidates for ordination, not the Vatican, been obedient to the magisterium, as they are supposed to be, then the criminal and sexual sins of a small percentage of deviants masquerading as Priests could have been avoided.

So why didn't the Vatican take appropriate action, if the bishops were being disobedient to the Magisterium?

23 posted on 10/13/2007 12:10:15 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: The Cuban

From what the Monsignior says, it feels just fine.


24 posted on 10/13/2007 12:30:43 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: kellynla

Unfortunately, the good monsignor forgot that Rule One was still in effect at the Vatican.


25 posted on 10/13/2007 12:33:42 PM PDT by RichInOC ("Rule One: NO POOFTERS!")
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To: mimaw

That it was really him? They identified him based on the office in which he worked, but his face and voice were hidden.


26 posted on 10/13/2007 12:43:25 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Alex Murphy

>> So why didn’t the Vatican take appropriate action, if the bishops were being disobedient to the Magisterium? <<

Simple: because although FReeper Catholics often wish it weren’t so, both Benedict and John Paul believed in the fraternity of bishops: IOW, the bishops had their own apostolic authority, barring heresy. Not actions indicative of heretical notions, but actual heresy.

(besides, the fudge-packers were so predominant in the US, the Vatican had to be very careful to avoid schism: four of the five most prominent archbishops in America (of Chicago, Boston, Los Angeles and Washington) were probably fudge-packers. As JP2 got more and more control, he DID act more and more firmly.)


27 posted on 10/13/2007 12:50:22 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Salvation

Perhaps I was not clear in my statement. The actual rule regarding homosexuality is from the Bible. The Catholic Church’s catechism is merely the REstatement of Biblical dogma. The rule is a Biblical pronouncement, restated by the church.


28 posted on 10/13/2007 3:53:29 PM PDT by Don W (I wondered why the baseball was getting bigger. Then it hit me.)
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To: kellynla
"...the monsignor was suspended from his job as a top official in the Vatican's Congregation for Clergy, an office which aims to ensure proper conduct by priests....who is Italian."

NAME(S)?

29 posted on 10/13/2007 8:34:58 PM PDT by right-wingin_It
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