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Selling Theological Birthright for a Bowl of Political Porridge (GOP Nomination)
Christian Post ^ | 10/10/07 | Dr. Tony Beam

Posted on 10/13/2007 9:53:21 AM PDT by wagglebee

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To: Grunthor
If you cannot take the heat, don’t go around throwing fire balls.

I addressed you in exactly the same fashion you choose to post at me. If you don’t like what it got you, don’t start it next time.

101 posted on 10/14/2007 9:11:53 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Yo Democrats : Don't tell us how to fight the war, we will not tell you how to be the village idiots)
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To: MNJohnnie

“I addressed you in exactly the same fashion you choose to post at me.”

We both know that you were trying to make Rudytheliberal look better than he is by the comparison. You are better than that.

I hope.


102 posted on 10/14/2007 9:59:38 AM PDT by Grunthor (http://franz.org/quiz.htm)
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To: MNJohnnie

Maybe you should be asking those questions of the people you vote for, Johnnie.

I would gather that them abandoning the sanctity of life is based upon ego.

What if Republicans suddenly became in favor of raising taxes. Or what if they suddenly wanted to form a gang of 14.

Or what if they wanted to take guns away from law abiding citizens.

What if they wanted to engage in doubling or tripling pork.

There is no ego involved with following Christ. In fact, The white Christian is scoffed, humiliated, etc.

ego?

Yeah— us Christians are all about ego- but Mitt, Rudy, McCain, and Fred are all about humility, humbleness, and virtue.

It is us Christians who are in it for personal gain....

nice logic there.

It depends I guess on what your goals are, Johnnie.

My goal is not to worship a party. My life is based on standing up for what is right.....

Some people claim that integrity is who you are when no one is looking.....I disagree....that is the definition of someone’s true character....

Integrity is standing up for what is right.....even if it means standing alone.

As I recall- Jesus displayed this very trait- even in the face of crucifiction. By your reasoning, he should have denounced the Truth in order to stick around and give more sermons, or perform more healings......

so now, not only am I a petulant, whining child- but I am also a narcasist? an ego maniac?

and those that are humble and virtuous are Rudy and Company?

amazing what can happen to someone’s logic when an elephant becomes the symbol of saving our country instead of the cross.......


103 posted on 10/14/2007 10:23:57 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (When will the leftist elites finally award Bill Clinton with the Nobel "Piece" Prize?)
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To: eeevil conservative
Maybe you should be asking those questions of the people you vote for, Johnnie.

That is an assumption on your part. I am hoping I do not have to make that choice. We don't have a nominee yet even though it seems a large segment of the Conservative movement is waving the white flag for Rudy all ready. What I asked, and you still have not answers, is this.

Is it "standing on principal" when by doing so you actually harm the principals you are suppose to be standing on?

I would gather that them abandoning the sanctity of life is based upon ego

I guess I missed that. I did not hear they were pulling all the pro Life planks out of the party platform and adopting the Democrats pro Death platform. In that case you are right.

What if Republicans suddenly became in favor of raising taxes. Or what if they suddenly wanted to form a gang of 14. Or what if they wanted to take guns away from law abiding citizens.What if they wanted to engage in doubling or tripling pork.

In which case I would also agree with you that it is time to find a new party Except for that last one about pork, they all ready have DONE that.

There is no ego involved with following Christ

No but there is ego in assuming one's personal political opinions and God's will are one and the same. If Fred or Rudy or Mitt or McCain or Ron Paul is the nominee, despite my personal opinions and efforts, is that God's will?

Which has more integrity? The one who keeps fighting when all looks blackest or is it integrity to throw up your hands and say "these guys aren't my guy so a pox on everything and everyone in that party"?

104 posted on 10/14/2007 11:17:48 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Yo Democrats : Don't tell us how to fight the war, we will not tell you how to be the village idiots)
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To: gpapa

Stand on principle and back Duncan Hunter now, and you won’t have to vote for the lesser of two evils.

Wait and see what the party throws us, and we will get 2 evils, one with an R and one with a D.


105 posted on 10/14/2007 1:06:04 PM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: indylindy

“Face it, you will have to win without their vote. Good luck”

If they insist on pushing a RINO, it is the end of their party. Guess they’re hedging their bets, though, and probably reworking their resumes- one with D credentials and one with R credentials.

I’d suggest they toss the one with the R credentials, though. It won’t be worth much if we refuse to sell our souls for a proabortion, pro-sodomite marriage, pro-Chinese enslavement puppet.


106 posted on 10/14/2007 1:18:25 PM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: don-o

“There are millions of us who will not compromise.”

Unfotunately, because the blubloods do not live by principles, they do not believe us. They still think they can scare us into one voting for one devil to avoid getting the other devil.


107 posted on 10/14/2007 1:23:17 PM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: MNJohnnie
I can not believe I actucally agree with you. That has never happened before, but this is dead on correct.

JUDGES, not the President, will overturn Roe v Wade. It was Judges that imposed it, it will be Judges who overturn it.

Personally I think Bush is a terrible president, but I voted for him twice for ONE REASON, Judges. And on that single issue he did not disappoint. I will most likely vote for the GOP nominee on that one issue again.

108 posted on 10/14/2007 1:32:52 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: indylindy

I’ve seen threads on FR where they are saying the Christian Right needs to compromise if they want to be on the winning team. But if salt loses its saltiness it has no value and is to be thrown out into the driveway as gravel. Our only value is in our adherence to the faith.

And we are also being urged to accept a candidate as one of us because he has fur glued to his arm.

Neither option is acceptable.

EXCELLENT ARTICLE.


109 posted on 10/14/2007 1:36:09 PM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: gitmo

It isn’t much use arguing principle with a Rooty toot. There is nothing conservative about Rooty, never has been. He has a history of liberalism. He has appointed liberal judges and has even said Ruth Bader Ginsberg is a strict Constitutionalist judge.

I won’t vote for him or Hillary. The people that push Rooty can push all they like but the one thing that cannot do is force anyone to vote for Rooty.

Thery are welcome to vote for him if they like, but they will have to win by counting on all those budding leftists they think they can get to vote for him.

I won’t be a part of it. If they can win that way, so be it.


110 posted on 10/14/2007 1:43:25 PM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: victim soul

This time around, if we are willing to put our money where our principles are, we have a real conservative in the race-DUNCAN HUNTER.

www.gohunter08.com

The MSM/RINO strategy is to ignore him becuase, if they do, and nobody knows about him, he won’t get enough money, and will have to go away.

We do not have to settle for evil IF we act now.


111 posted on 10/14/2007 1:50:10 PM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Christian Conservatives are 1 seat away from controlling the US Supreme Court for the 1st time in 70 years. After 40 years of struggle to reach this goal, Christian Conservatives are going to throw that all away out of pure childish arrogance.That is the ONLY thing Christian Conservatives should be thinking about going into 2008.

And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just. -- Roman 3:8

Perhaps you point would be made if you didn't include Christian in your synopsis. As I read this passage, Christians are not to support evil hoping that one day in the future something good perhaps might happen. As I read this passage I see that our actions will be slanderously reported and our actions of supporting evil will be JUSTLY called out by those people. Our "DAMNATION is Just" is not just a little smack on the hand, or little idle threat to most Christians.

If you can't understand this, I understand that also. But a Christian worth his/her salt (that has not lost it season) takes these things in consideration.

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Romans 6:1-2

"Why do you help wicked people and love those who hate the LORD? The LORD's anger is directed toward you because you have done this. 2 Chronicles 19:2

Romans 12:9 NIV .. Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.

"Pure Childish arrogance" is your term for those like me who will not vote for those that spit on our faith, But perhaps you do not take into consideration the same things I do.

"Hypocrites," Jesus said, "why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right?" (Luke 12:56-57)

112 posted on 10/14/2007 1:53:51 PM PDT by LowOiL (Duncan Hunter .. a man you're not ashamed to support full heartedly..)
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day

I totally agree. Rooty is the extension of what we already have, and have become wary of. Rooty is Bush on steroids and I believe he is the sock puppet of global elitists.

He is even worse than Bush could be. He has very liberal views.


113 posted on 10/14/2007 1:54:03 PM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: MNJohnnie

I will never understand how someone could let the empty glass win instead of taking a chance on the half full glass when the half full glass is the only one who can beat the empty glass. Just stupid!


114 posted on 10/18/2007 6:11:41 AM PDT by Fawn (http://www.brightlion.com/InHope/InHope_en.aspx)
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