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Conservative California - Had Enough Yet?
October 14, 2007 | Chuck Plante - aka backtothestreets

Posted on 10/14/2007 5:55:54 AM PDT by backtothestreets

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation." Declaration of Independence 1776

 

I have proposed the State of California be divided to form two states.

 

The new state would encompass all the unshaded areas seen on the map to the right.
No new approval is necessary from Congress as Congress approved such a split when California was admitted as a state.
State legislative approval is not required as the state constitution provides California citizens an initiative process binding on the state legislature. (Article XVIII; Section 3)
The larger proposed state has 9,272,000 registered voters.
The smaller proposed state has 7,356,000 registered voters.
A majority vote decides the initiative outcome.
The larger state is more rural and politically more conservative.
The new state would hold a constitutional convention.
The new state would have the opportunity to restructure the state legislature in such manner that gerrymandering cannot be employed.
The new state would gain two new seats in the United States Senate.
The new state would be provided the opportunity to reduce or eliminate taxes, fees, and regulations existing under the present sate.
The new state would have the opportunity to abandon numerous bond measures, reduce state spending, and operate with a balanced budget. 
The new state would control most natural resources, waterways, highways, shoreline, and borders, including the border with Mexico.
  
A detailed initial draft of the split is available in the files section of the Yahoo Group New California ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/new_california/ )

 

 


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Politically, there are two Californias. They are quite distinct, and quite different. The political divides can also be seen in the demographics and distribution of the people that comprise the two Californias.

With the flurry of legislative actions on new bills that have received the governor’s signature, the rift dividing the two Californias has been made a gapping political ravine that cannot be mended.

It is time the more conservative, more rural, and larger population that has lived under legislative tyranny free themselves politically and form a new state. The new state would gain complete control over the border with Mexico. There would be an opportunity to close many existing bond measures, balance the new state budget, a revitalization of job growth in the new state. Lower taxes, smaller state government, a fresh new approach to the public school system, fewer government regulations, less crime, less crowded prisons (most prisoners come from the counties that would be set adrift), greater enforcement of existing law, better highways, more water for agriculture, and much improved employment opportunities would be hallmarks of the new state. Oh yeah, we would need a new governor as Arnie resides in an area to be cast off. The referenced proposal to form the new state is a draft to start the process. It will require the dedication, wisdom, and energies of many to prepare a finished draft and submit it for the initiative process to voters. Although I would hope to have a role in the final draft, and subsequent state convention if approved by voters, it is not a necessity. The necessity is forming the new state. A coalition will need to be built. A coalition where all groups set aside their pride, differences and ambitions to achieve the established goal.

Monday I will begin the process of determining local support for the new state. I already have some possible large organizations in mind. Among them are organizations that fight state and local tax increases, California specific citizen rights advocacy groups tired of state infringements, dairy farmers that have recently felt state pressure to leave the state, nuclear power companies that are seeking approval to build new electrical generating plants (one here in Fresno by the way), auto dealers and distributors plagued by regulations requiring special equipment be installed on vehicles due to state emission regulations, Housing developers buried in fees, oil companies seeking to drill for more oil or natural gas and reopen or expand existing refineries, and those are just for starters.

It is time for a new fresh start.

I welcome all offers of assistance along with comments and suggestions.

1 posted on 10/14/2007 5:55:55 AM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: backtothestreets

Is this the State of Jefferson?


2 posted on 10/14/2007 6:04:42 AM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe (Until Americans love their own children more than they love Nancy Pelosi this suicide will continue.)
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To: backtothestreets
Good luck! I lived in California for 26 years, and have lived in Tennessee since 1971.
Division of the state was always being talked about, and nothing ever came of it.

Having said that, I will agree with you that No. and So. California are as different as night and day. I Lived in So. Calif. and worked for Kaiser Steel, which was based in No. Calif., We didn’t even have the same holidays. They didn’t like us, and we didn’t like them.

3 posted on 10/14/2007 6:05:06 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: backtothestreets
Have a good time storming the castle!

Seriously, best of luck in your endeavor.

4 posted on 10/14/2007 6:07:08 AM PDT by olde north church (Epitaph for America: We weren't humble enough to be pragmatic.)
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
No, the proposed State of Jefferson encompassed a small part of California and Oregon. Wikipedia has an article if interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Jefferson
5 posted on 10/14/2007 6:10:35 AM PDT by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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To: backtothestreets

You would have to have some kind of vote of the citizens in the unshaded counties.

Has this every happened before? There is probably a need for a consititutional convention of the succeeding counties. (expect ahrnold to crash the party)

Of course western california will then go over the top left.


6 posted on 10/14/2007 6:11:38 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: backtothestreets

What about Sacramento? Seems like that’s where a lot of the problems are.


7 posted on 10/14/2007 6:12:26 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: backtothestreets

Sweet!


8 posted on 10/14/2007 6:12:52 AM PDT by an amused spectator (AGW: If you drag a hundred dollar bill through a research lab, you never know what you'll find)
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To: backtothestreets

The State Of Fremont would be a good name.


9 posted on 10/14/2007 6:13:16 AM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: Coldwater Creek
Thanks! North-South divides were always destined to fail as such a divide did not benefit one side more than another.

I’ve had the opportunity to discuss my proposal with key members of the California Republican Party, American Independent Party, and Libertarian Party. Except for those members residing in one of the seven small northern California counties, or Los Angeles county that would form the lesser state, all agreed the proposal held promise as it divided the state along political lines that correspond with geographical lines.

The new state would have a national impact also by adding two new, and most likely, very conservative US Senators.

Citizens from Oregon and Washington have contacted me and will be watching how this plays out as they are under the same oppressive sort of legislative tyranny.

10 posted on 10/14/2007 6:22:47 AM PDT by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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To: backtothestreets

This isn’t going to be fixed by dividing the state. It’s going to be fixed when CA can’t pay the debt service on its bonds, and Wall Street won’t roll over the maturity. Even then, it will take a couple of years before the CA voters realize that this can’t be fixed by increasing taxes. It will learn the same way that Michigan is now learning. Increasing taxes makes the population of the state smaller. It’s just a matter of a lot of economic pain over a period of several years.


11 posted on 10/14/2007 6:22:57 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: backtothestreets

Based on the map, I’d say the new state’s biggest problem would be border control. And I don’t mean the border with Mexico.


12 posted on 10/14/2007 6:25:53 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: OKSooner

What about Sacramento? Seems like that’s where a lot of the problems are.”

IF the split of Kalifornia was performed as shown in the map above, the legislators in Sacramento would be entirely different.
That would be a good start on cleaning up the problems in California because more sensible people would be making the laws, rules, and regulations, IMO.
I lived there from 1964 to 2004. I finally had enough. Will NEVER move back.


13 posted on 10/14/2007 6:28:39 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: backtothestreets

Go for it. We have the same problem in my state. However, we are outnumbered by the left, who reside west of the Cascades.


14 posted on 10/14/2007 6:28:45 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: longtermmemmory

The entire present state would vote on the initiative.

Yes, there would be a constitutional convention, but no Arnie would not have a role. His residence is located in the shaded area that would comprise the lesser state. Delegates to a constitutional convention forming the new would have to reside within the new state.


15 posted on 10/14/2007 6:30:23 AM PDT by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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To: longtermmemmory
The entire present state would vote on the initiative. There have been efforts made in the past to split the state north and south. All that would do is create a second liberal California. This proposal would create a new conservative California and isolate the liberal California.

Yes, there would be a constitutional convention, but no Arnie would not have a role. His residence is located in the shaded area that would comprise the lesser state. Delegates to a constitutional convention forming the new would have to reside within the new state.

16 posted on 10/14/2007 6:33:32 AM PDT by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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To: backtothestreets
Call the State Dept.

They have had terrific success with implementing a Two State solution in the ME

17 posted on 10/14/2007 6:34:59 AM PDT by Popman
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To: OKSooner
Sacramento, as with all large metropolitan areas does have liberal leanings, but not enough so to cause problems for what would be the new state. We experience some of those same problems here in Fresno. Fresno on its most liberal day is still far more conservative than what is found in the seven San Francisco-Bay Area Counties, or Los Angeles County that the rest of the state would separate from.

Many persistent problems associated with the large metropolitan areas can be addressed in a constitutional convention.

18 posted on 10/14/2007 6:40:44 AM PDT by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

My point of view is that the borders would offer a great benefit by confining their inhabitants, along with controlling all roads in and out. ;)


19 posted on 10/14/2007 6:44:38 AM PDT by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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To: Brilliant
This isn’t going to be fixed by dividing the state.

It most certainly would fix the problem for the new state as it would be able to address its portion of state debt, and reduce or eliminate much, if not all of that debt by reducing or eliminating bond measures during the constitutional convention.
20 posted on 10/14/2007 6:48:38 AM PDT by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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