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Time for the U.S. to get comfortable with ideology - Mark Steyn
Orange County Register ^ | October 12, 2007 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 10/14/2007 6:36:05 AM PDT by tips up

Peter Robinson, a Reagan speechwriter in the last years of the Cold War, posed an interesting question the other day. He noted that on Feb. 22, 1946, a mere six months after the end of World War II, George Kennan, a U.S. diplomat in Moscow, sent his famous 5,000-word telegram that laid out the stakes of the Cold War and the nature of the enemy, and that that "Long Telegram" in essence shaped the way America thought about the conflict all the way up to the fall of the Berlin Wall four decades later. And what Mr. Robinson wondered was this: "Here we are today, more than six years after 9/11. Does anyone believe a new 'Long Telegram' has yet been written? And accepted throughout the senior levels of the government?" Answer: No. Because, if it had, you'd hear it echoed in public – just as the Long Telegram provided the underpinning of the Truman Doctrine a year later. Kennan himself had differences with Truman and successive presidents over what he regarded as their misinterpretation, but, granted all that, most of what turned up over the next 40 years – the Cuban missile crisis, the Vietnam war, Soviet subversion in Africa and Europe, Grenada and Afghanistan – is consistent with the conflict as laid out by one relatively minor State Department functionary decades earlier. Why can't we do that today?

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; conservatism; foreignpolicy; freedom; ideology; islamofascism; israel; liberalism; longtelegram; marksteyn; multiculturalism; musharaff; ocregister; palestinians; radicalislam; saud; terror; totalitarianism; wahhabism; waronterror; west
Is our (as a country) inability to see things as they are ignorance or total denial?
1 posted on 10/14/2007 6:36:16 AM PDT by tips up
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To: tips up

First you have to have someone who can see the underpinnings of the future, structure a vision amd then accurately articulate it.

Amd there ain’t no one in government today who can do that, as far as I can see.


2 posted on 10/14/2007 6:44:01 AM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: tips up
The country sees the truth. The rub is that American leaders are only interested
in groveling, ignoring the beheadings, ignoring the treason by the MSM,
ignoring the open borders letting in weapons and terrorists,
ignoring military attacks on embassies and barracks, Lebanon, Colbar Towers,
Somalia, the first World Trade Center bombing, the USS Cole attack, etc.
Like paying ransom, this attitude may cleverly mimic ostriches, but it only encourages more.


3 posted on 10/14/2007 6:48:23 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: tips up

It’s also apathy, and in many cases plain immaturity. There are people who think belching is funny, and they can’t envision their own impending death any more than NOT burping obnoxiously for personal amusement.


4 posted on 10/14/2007 6:49:14 AM PDT by SteveMcKing
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The last bit of the article:

When President Bush declared a “war on terror,” cynics understood that he had no particular interest in the IRA or the Tamil Tigers, but that he was constrained from identifying the real enemy in any meaningful sense: In the fall of 2001, a war on Islamic this or Islamic that would have caused too many problems with Gen. Musharraf and the House of Saud and other chaps he wanted to keep on side. But it’s one reason, for example, why the Democrats, as soon as it suited them, had no difficulty detaching the Iraq front from the broader war. If it’s a “war on terror” against terrorist organizations, well, Saddam is a head of state and Iraq is a sovereign nation: the 1946 Long Telegram was long enough to embrace events in Ethiopia and Grenada 30 years later, but the “war on terror” template doesn’t comfortably extend to Iraq. Nor to the remorseless Wahhabist subversion of Europe. Nor to the Palestinian Authority, where Condi Rice is currently presiding over the latest reprise of the usual “peace process” clichés designed to persuade Israel to make concessions to a populace, which largely believes everything the al-Qaida guys do. The state-funded (which means European- and U.S.-taxpayer funded) Palestinian newspaper published a cartoon this September celebrating 9/11 as a great victory.

Perhaps we need more investment in jobs. Or maybe guns are too easily available in Gaza. Or, if guns aren’t, self-detonating school kids certainly are. This is the ultimate asymmetric warfare: we’re trying to beat back ideology with complacent Western assumptions. Not a good bet.


5 posted on 10/14/2007 6:56:12 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: SteveMcKing

My kids told me that when you stop laughing at fart jokes you’re too old.


6 posted on 10/14/2007 6:56:29 AM PDT by live+let_live
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To: tips up
No it the inability of the Junk Media and the rest of the chattering idiots to actually LISTEN. It this childish habit of media types to confuse sneering at everything and everyone for wisdom.

HERE is your "Long Telegram". http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/print/20010920-8.html

President Bush’s Speech to the Congress Sept 20th 2001

In the normal course of events, Presidents come to this chamber to report on the state of the Union. Tonight, no such report is needed. It has already been delivered by the American people.

We have seen it in the courage of passengers, who rushed terrorists to save others on the ground — passengers like an exceptional man named Todd Beamer. And would you please help me to welcome his wife, Lisa Beamer, here tonight. (Applause.)

We have seen the state of our Union in the endurance of rescuers, working past exhaustion. We have seen the unfurling of flags, the lighting of candles, the giving of blood, the saying of prayers — in English, Hebrew, and Arabic. We have seen the decency of a loving and giving people who have made the grief of strangers their own.

My fellow citizens, for the last nine days, the entire world has seen for itself the state of our Union — and it is strong. (Applause.)

Tonight we are a country awakened to danger and called to defend freedom. Our grief has turned to anger, and anger to resolution. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done. (Applause.)

I thank the Congress for its leadership at such an important time. All of America was touched on the evening of the tragedy to see Republicans and Democrats joined together on the steps of this Capitol, singing “God Bless America.” And you did more than sing; you acted, by delivering $40 billion to rebuild our communities and meet the needs of our military.

Speaker Hastert, Minority Leader Gephardt, Majority Leader Daschle and Senator Lott, I thank you for your friendship, for your leadership and for your service to our country. (Applause.)

And on behalf of the American people, I thank the world for its outpouring of support. America will never forget the sounds of our National Anthem playing at Buckingham Palace, on the streets of Paris, and at Berlin’s Brandenburg Gate.

We will not forget South Korean children gathering to pray outside our embassy in Seoul, or the prayers of sympathy offered at a mosque in Cairo. We will not forget moments of silence and days of mourning in Australia and Africa and Latin America.

Nor will we forget the citizens of 80 other nations who died with our own: dozens of Pakistanis; more than 130 Israelis; more than 250 citizens of India; men and women from El Salvador, Iran, Mexico and Japan; and hundreds of British citizens. America has no truer friend than Great Britain. (Applause.) Once again, we are joined together in a great cause — so honored the British Prime Minister has crossed an ocean to show his unity of purpose with America. Thank you for coming, friend. (Applause.)

On September the 11th, enemies of freedom committed an act of war against our country. Americans have known wars — but for the past 136 years, they have been wars on foreign soil, except for one Sunday in 1941. Americans have known the casualties of war — but not at the center of a great city on a peaceful morning. Americans have known surprise attacks — but never before on thousands of civilians. All of this was brought upon us in a single day — and night fell on a different world, a world where freedom itself is under attack.

Americans have many questions tonight. Americans are asking: Who attacked our country? The evidence we have gathered all points to a collection of loosely affiliated terrorist organizations known as al Qaeda. They are the same murderers indicted for bombing American embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, and responsible for bombing the USS Cole.

Al Qaeda is to terror what the mafia is to crime. But its goal is not making money; its goal is remaking the world — and imposing its radical beliefs on people everywhere.

The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics — a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam. The terrorists’ directive commands them to kill Christians and Jews, to kill all Americans, and make no distinction among military and civilians, including women and children.

This group and its leader — a person named Osama bin Laden — are linked to many other organizations in different countries, including the Egyptian Islamic Jihad and the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan. There are thousands of these terrorists in more than 60 countries. They are recruited from their own nations and neighborhoods and brought to camps in places like Afghanistan, where they are trained in the tactics of terror. They are sent back to their homes or sent to hide in countries around the world to plot evil and destruction.

The leadership of al Qaeda has great influence in Afghanistan and supports the Taliban regime in controlling most of that country. In Afghanistan, we see al Qaeda’s vision for the world.

Afghanistan’s people have been brutalized — many are starving and many have fled. Women are not allowed to attend school. You can be jailed for owning a television. Religion can be practiced only as their leaders dictate. A man can be jailed in Afghanistan if his beard is not long enough.

The United States respects the people of Afghanistan — after all, we are currently its largest source of humanitarian aid — but we condemn the Taliban regime. (Applause.) It is not only repressing its own people, it is threatening people everywhere by sponsoring and sheltering and supplying terrorists. By aiding and abetting murder, the Taliban regime is committing murder.

And tonight, the United States of America makes the following demands on the Taliban: Deliver to United States authorities all the leaders of al Qaeda who hide in your land. (Applause.) Release all foreign nationals, including American citizens, you have unjustly imprisoned. Protect foreign journalists, diplomats and aid workers in your country. Close immediately and permanently every terrorist training camp in Afghanistan, and hand over every terrorist, and every person in their support structure, to appropriate authorities. (Applause.) Give the United States full access to terrorist training camps, so we can make sure they are no longer operating.

These demands are not open to negotiation or discussion. (Applause.) The Taliban must act, and act immediately. They will hand over the terrorists, or they will share in their fate.

I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It’s practiced freely by many millions of Americans, and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah. (Applause.) The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them. (Applause.)

Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated. (Applause.)

Americans are asking, why do they hate us? They hate what we see right here in this chamber — a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms — our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other.

They want to overthrow existing governments in many Muslim countries, such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan. They want to drive Israel out of the Middle East. They want to drive Christians and Jews out of vast regions of Asia and Africa.

These terrorists kill not merely to end lives, but to disrupt and end a way of life. With every atrocity, they hope that America grows fearful, retreating from the world and forsaking our friends. They stand against us, because we stand in their way.

We are not deceived by their pretenses to piety. We have seen their kind before. They are the heirs of all the murderous ideologies of the 20th century. By sacrificing human life to serve their radical visions — by abandoning every value except the will to power — they follow in the path of fascism, and Nazism, and totalitarianism. And they will follow that path all the way, to where it ends: in history’s unmarked grave of discarded lies. (Applause.)

Americans are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will direct every resource at our command — every means of diplomacy, every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law enforcement, every financial influence, and every necessary weapon of war — to the disruption and to the defeat of the global terror network.

This war will not be like the war against Iraq a decade ago, with a decisive liberation of territory and a swift conclusion. It will not look like the air war above Kosovo two years ago, where no ground troops were used and not a single American was lost in combat.

Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated strikes. Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign, unlike any other we have ever seen. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert operations, secret even in success. We will starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive them from place to place, until there is no refuge or no rest. And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. (Applause.) From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime.

Our nation has been put on notice: We are not immune from attack. We will take defensive measures against terrorism to protect Americans. Today, dozens of federal departments and agencies, as well as state and local governments, have responsibilities affecting homeland security. These efforts must be coordinated at the highest level. So tonight I announce the creation of a Cabinet-level position reporting directly to me — the Office of Homeland Security.

And tonight I also announce a distinguished American to lead this effort, to strengthen American security: a military veteran, an effective governor, a true patriot, a trusted friend — Pennsylvania’s Tom Ridge. (Applause.) He will lead, oversee and coordinate a comprehensive national strategy to safeguard our country against terrorism, and respond to any attacks that may come.

These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat terrorism as a threat to our way of life is to stop it, eliminate it, and destroy it where it grows. (Applause.)

Many will be involved in this effort, from FBI agents to intelligence operatives to the reservists we have called to active duty. All deserve our thanks, and all have our prayers. And tonight, a few miles from the damaged Pentagon, I have a message for our military: Be ready. I’ve called the Armed Forces to alert, and there is a reason. The hour is coming when America will act, and you will make us proud. (Applause.)

This is not, however, just America’s fight. And what is at stake is not just America’s freedom. This is the world’s fight. This is civilization’s fight. This is the fight of all who believe in progress and pluralism, tolerance and freedom.

We ask every nation to join us. We will ask, and we will need, the help of police forces, intelligence services, and banking systems around the world. The United States is grateful that many nations and many international organizations have already responded — with sympathy and with support. Nations from Latin America, to Asia, to Africa, to Europe, to the Islamic world. Perhaps the NATO Charter reflects best the attitude of the world: An attack on one is an attack on all.

The civilized world is rallying to America’s side. They understand that if this terror goes unpunished, their own cities, their own citizens may be next. Terror, unanswered, can not only bring down buildings, it can threaten the stability of legitimate governments. And you know what — we’re not going to allow it. (Applause.)

Americans are asking: What is expected of us? I ask you to live your lives, and hug your children. I know many citizens have fears tonight, and I ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face of a continuing threat.

I ask you to uphold the values of America, and remember why so many have come here. We are in a fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by them. No one should be singled out for unfair treatment or unkind words because of their ethnic background or religious faith. (Applause.)

I ask you to continue to support the victims of this tragedy with your contributions. Those who want to give can go to a central source of information, libertyunites.org, to find the names of groups providing direct help in New York, Pennsylvania, and Virginia.

The thousands of FBI agents who are now at work in this investigation may need your cooperation, and I ask you to give it.

I ask for your patience, with the delays and inconveniences that may accompany tighter security; and for your patience in what will be a long struggle.

I ask your continued participation and confidence in the American economy. Terrorists attacked a symbol of American prosperity. They did not touch its source. America is successful because of the hard work, and creativity, and enterprise of our people. These were the true strengths of our economy before September 11th, and they are our strengths today. (Applause.)

And, finally, please continue praying for the victims of terror and their families, for those in uniform, and for our great country. Prayer has comforted us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey ahead.

Tonight I thank my fellow Americans for what you have already done and for what you will do. And ladies and gentlemen of the Congress, I thank you, their representatives, for what you have already done and for what we will do together.

Tonight, we face new and sudden national challenges. We will come together to improve air safety, to dramatically expand the number of air marshals on domestic flights, and take new measures to prevent hijacking. We will come together to promote stability and keep our airlines flying, with direct assistance during this emergency. (Applause.)

We will come together to give law enforcement the additional tools it needs to track down terror here at home. (Applause.) We will come together to strengthen our intelligence capabilities to know the plans of terrorists before they act, and find them before they strike. (Applause.)

We will come together to take active steps that strengthen America’s economy, and put our people back to work.

Tonight we welcome two leaders who embody the extraordinary spirit of all New Yorkers: Governor George Pataki, and Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. (Applause.) As a symbol of America’s resolve, my administration will work with Congress, and these two leaders, to show the world that we will rebuild New York City. (Applause.)

After all that has just passed — all the lives taken, and all the possibilities and hopes that died with them — it is natural to wonder if America’s future is one of fear. Some speak of an age of terror. I know there are struggles ahead, and dangers to face. But this country will define our times, not be defined by them. As long as the United States of America is determined and strong, this will not be an age of terror; this will be an age of liberty, here and across the world. (Applause.)

Great harm has been done to us. We have suffered great loss. And in our grief and anger we have found our mission and our moment. Freedom and fear are at war. The advance of human freedom — the great achievement of our time, and the great hope of every time — now depends on us. Our nation — this generation — will lift a dark threat of violence from our people and our future. We will rally the world to this cause by our efforts, by our courage. We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail. (Applause.)

It is my hope that in the months and years ahead, life will return almost to normal. We’ll go back to our lives and routines, and that is good. Even grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass. Each of us will remember what happened that day, and to whom it happened. We’ll remember the moment the news came — where we were and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of a fire, or a story of rescue. Some will carry memories of a face and a voice gone forever.

And I will carry this: It is the police shield of a man named George Howard, who died at the World Trade Center trying to save others. It was given to me by his mom, Arlene, as a proud memorial to her son. This is my reminder of lives that ended, and a task that does not end. (Applause.)

I will not forget this wound to our country or those who inflicted it. I will not yield; I will not rest; I will not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the American people.

The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain. Freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them. (Applause.)

Fellow citizens, we’ll meet violence with patient justice — assured of the rightness of our cause, and confident of the victories to come. In all that lies before us, may God grant us wisdom, and may He watch over the United States of America.

Thank you. (Applause.)

END 9:41 P.M. EDT

7 posted on 10/14/2007 6:56:53 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Yo Democrats : Don't tell us how to fight the war, we will not tell you how to be the village idiots)
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To: SteveMcKing
Our current crop of GOP Senators need to die off like pre historic woolly mammoths.
8 posted on 10/14/2007 6:59:21 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: tips up
You ask why the country seems oblivious to events around us.

I think Mark Stein’s title is backwards. “Time for the U.S. to get comfortable with ideology” We ARE comfortable with OUR ideology. It takes a lot of time and energy to keep up with all the changes around us. It’s easier to decide for yourself the way things are and then put on your blinders so you don’t have to struggle with new ideas. Case in point, the anti war people use Vietnam as their prism of this war.

9 posted on 10/14/2007 7:04:33 AM PDT by live+let_live
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To: MNJohnnie

Thanks for posting that.....it and the interim proves Steins point exactly.


10 posted on 10/14/2007 7:10:10 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Our current crop of GOP Senators need to die off like pre historic woolly mammoths.
11 posted on 10/14/2007 7:10:59 AM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: SteveMcKing

Khobar Towers.

12 posted on 10/14/2007 7:16:21 AM PDT by Leisler (Vote Republican, they'll increase your taxes, fines, fees and permits, 1.056% slower than Democrats!)
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To: sionnsar

I can always use a good edit !


13 posted on 10/14/2007 7:16:48 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: MNJohnnie
That was a great speech by Bush. The problem is, almost every assumption made in it is undercut by the Administration's ongoing refusal to secure the southern border. Just consider this passage:

Americans are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will direct every resource at our command — every means of diplomacy, every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law enforcement, every financial influence, and every necessary weapon of war — to the disruption and to the defeat of the global terror network.

So either current terrorism risk is minuscule compared to the economic risk of cutting off a steady supply of illegal workers for American business (and illegal borrowers to keep the mortgage/housing bubble afloat), or we actually won the "War on Terror" years ago and the concept is just being kept alive by Big Government types as a way to expand state power. Either way, it would make more sense for the Administration to sound the "All Clear" than to attempt to pretend they are still in 9/12/2001 mode when they clearly are not.

The George W. Bush of 2007 is no longer the man who gave that inspiring speech - and everybody knows it.

14 posted on 10/14/2007 7:22:24 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: tips up
We're both in denial and its a function of multicultural obsequiousness. America knew when the Cold War began, we had an ideological battle with Communism headed by a totalitarian Soviet Union. In contrast, today we dare not name the Islamofascist enemy. We know the adversary is committed to our destruction. But we still think he can be reasoned with and with our Western wizardry, what angers him can be made to disappear. Its a sort of solipsism that puts us all in great danger. We won't survive if we refuse to acknowledge we can't offer Islamofascists nothing they don't already have or that they can't get from us. The other side is clear about what we should do: die. That's why Mark Steyn laments the lack of ideology on the subject among West elites. Its a good bet much of our current difficulty can be traced to the fact we don't yet have one to identify and defeat the enemy we're supposed to be at war with right now.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

15 posted on 10/14/2007 7:26:44 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: tips up

Two problems:

One, it’s probably too much to ask the deputy chiefs of mission in the Muslim countries (Kennan was the DCM at the Moscow embassy) to be inclined to contain the Islamic nutters.

Two, assuming some brave soul actually was inclined toward that policy, and wrote “the book” on how to do it...these days, I guarantee that sucker gets leaked, sooner rather than later, and not to the benefit of either the author or his proposal.


16 posted on 10/14/2007 7:30:29 AM PDT by RichInOC ("Stampeding hogs." "That's not much of a crime." "Through the Grand Mosque?" "Kinky. Sign here.")
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To: txzman

Thank you txzman. Will the real American; please step up?


17 posted on 10/14/2007 7:32:53 AM PDT by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: tips up

Too bad none of those running for President have Mark Steyn as an advisor.


18 posted on 10/14/2007 7:38:13 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: txzman

Very true. That’s why there is no clear front runner on the Republican side of the primaries.


19 posted on 10/14/2007 7:50:51 AM PDT by tips up
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To: SteveMcKing

It’s true. Life is good here in the US. Most of us have not dealt with national adversity like WW2 or the depression. The questions of the day are which channel to watch or what to eat for dinner.


20 posted on 10/14/2007 7:54:06 AM PDT by tips up
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To: goldstategop

It’s like in the Harry Potter series where the bad guy is called “he who must not be named”.

Is it politically incorrect to name our enemy? Or just plain denial? The first step in any 12 step program is to acknowledge the problem/addiction. There is a good reason why this is step 1 because nothing else can follow without this basic step.


21 posted on 10/14/2007 7:59:03 AM PDT by tips up
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To: tips up

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018452.php

Romney: “It’s this century’s nightmare, Jihadism”

[What other candidate has ever uttered the word “jihad”? This is not an endorsement — it is just a plea for a rejection of fantasy-based analysis and fantasy-based policymaking. They should all be discussing the jihad, openly and freely, and what can and must be done about it — so frequently that this shouldn’t even be news at all. The fact that six years after 9/11 I am dumbfounded when a presidential candidate uses the word “jihad” is a measure of the fix we’re in. “Romney vows to confront radical jihad,” from the Boston Globe (where you can watch the video of his commercial):

Mitt Romney returns to a call for a robust military and intelligence network in his newest TV ad, in a week that he has been on the defensive for saying he would consult lawyers on presidential authority to launch military attacks.
In the ad, which begins airing in Iowa today, Romney says the US must confront radical Islamists and vows to strengthen US intelligence services, add 100,000 members to the military, and stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.

“It’s this century’s nightmare, Jihadism –- violent, radical Islamic fundamentalism,” Romney says in the spot. “Their goal is to unite the world under a single Jihadist caliphate. To do that, they must collapse freedom-loving nations like us.”]

Further links at website.


22 posted on 10/14/2007 8:18:16 AM PDT by khnyny (Although prepared for martyrdom, I preferred that it be postponed. Winston Churchill)
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To: tips up
A combination of both. But how much has the nation's elected leadership, on both sides contributed to the state of thinking, non-thinking on the part of the electorate.

One side says we should have never have went, after voting to go and the other says we are at war with a philosophy of peace, further stating that "we" should just go about our business here at home and leave the fighting and dying up to the Military.

How many times are we going to continue to believe that we can prosecute and WIN wars with the Military only? When will we learn that it takes the whole nation to win a War and that War's, in this Constitutional Republic, begin with a Declaration of such?

23 posted on 10/14/2007 8:23:38 AM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?" --Greg Adams--Brownsville, TX --On the other Front Line)
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To: tips up
Is our (as a country) inability to see things as they are ignorance or total denial?

I believe both are factors, aggravated our society's short run focus on material consumption and short run focus on pleasure. We are so focused on our short run rewards that we refuse to look at the dangers looming on the horizon. I once read about a group of folks partying at a beach motel and laughing at reports of an approaching hurricane. The hurricane was Camille (212+ winds) and the motel was obliterated to the slab foundation. Many "hurricanes" (political, economic, social, religious....) now confront us. Many folks are still focusing on tonight's party and totally ignoring the storm.

24 posted on 10/14/2007 8:35:55 AM PDT by ghostrider
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
You make some good points. But I think there is room for debate on this:

well, Saddam is a head of state and Iraq is a sovereign nation

The case could be made that an illegitimate despot that maintains power via murder & torture is fair game. I'll grant you that the Dems are saying the same thing about Bush (deluded, of course). In addition, after his invasion of Kuwait & the subsequent war he lost any claim he might have had to demand respect for his sovereignty. In this world, when you lose a war, the victor makes the rules.

I do agree with your comments regarding the fancy verbal footwork used to define the so called WOT. As in most cases, if you are afraid to openly define the problem and state clear goals, your results are going to be disappointing. In this case the constant verbal appeasement of Islam by weak leaders in the west indicates a serious lack of will. I include the Bush administration, its repeated mealy mouthed remarks on radical (hmm, that's redundant) Islam prove to me there is not a serious, long term, defined commitment to fighting terrorism. The most obvious example of this is the deliberate refusal to use any sort of profiling and in the process harrassing our own citizens and restricting our freedoms in order to placate disgruntled Islamics.

25 posted on 10/14/2007 8:41:36 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

all but the top line of my post is copy/pasted from Steins article......I guess you didn’t read the whole thing :)


26 posted on 10/14/2007 8:48:50 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
all but the top line of my post is copy/pasted from Steins article......I guess you didn’t read the whole thing :)

Oops. Egg on my face now. Careless of me. Thanks for pointing that out. A good reminder that I need to be a little more patient.

27 posted on 10/14/2007 8:56:08 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: MNJohnnie; All; tips up

Welcome to FR, Tips Up. We’ll be watching you. ;)

Bumpin’ Post #7. Read it, live it.

Sad to see Steyn being such a sad-sack this week. He makes good points as usual, but he’s preachin’ to the choir.

I sincerely believe it’s going to take another 9/11, but one of MUCH greater magnitude to get the attention of the masses.


28 posted on 10/14/2007 9:05:28 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: MNJohnnie
From the speech:

We have seen the unfurling of flags, the lighting of candles, the giving of blood, the saying of prayers — in English, Hebrew, and Arabic.

Americans have many questions tonight. Americans are asking: Who attacked our country? The evidence we have gathered all points to a collection of loosely affiliated terrorist organizations known as al Qaeda. They are the same murderers indicted for bombing American embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, and responsible for bombing the USS Cole.

Al Qaeda is to terror what the mafia is to crime. But its goal is not making money; its goal is remaking the world — and imposing its radical beliefs on people everywhere.

The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics — a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam. The terrorists’ directive commands them to kill Christians and Jews, to kill all Americans, and make no distinction among military and civilians, including women and children.

We are not deceived by their pretenses to piety. We have seen their kind before. They are the heirs of all the murderous ideologies of the 20th century. By sacrificing human life to serve their radical visions — by abandoning every value except the will to power — they follow in the path of fascism, and Nazism, and totalitarianism. And they will follow that path all the way, to where it ends: in history’s unmarked grave of discarded lies.

Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated strikes. Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign, unlike any other we have ever seen. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert operations, secret even in success. We will starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive them from place to place, until there is no refuge or no rest. And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. (Applause.) From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime.

Steyn's point is that we are fighting an ideology, i.e, militant Islamic fundamentalism. We have been very reluctant to go specifically after the tenets of their beliefs. We need to identify these radical beliefs directly. They are not just the "mafia" or your garden variety terrorists who pretend to be pious. They are true believers and proselytisers. They are extremists, but the response from the Islamic world has been less than encouraging. Bin Laden is a hero to many Muslims. And Islam must reexamine its basic beliefs and practices in the 21st century, e.g., the treatment of women, tolerance towards the practice of other religions in Islamic countries, etc.

To date, our national response has been to install foot washing basins into public restrooms and light up the Empire State building to celebrate Eid.

29 posted on 10/14/2007 9:19:29 AM PDT by kabar
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To: khnyny

No one took Hitler seriously either...


30 posted on 10/14/2007 10:26:15 AM PDT by tips up
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
I’m afraid you are right, bad as it sounds, that something bad will need to happen to wake everyone up.

Steyn may not hit a home run with every piece he writes, but he always gets a base hit.

31 posted on 10/14/2007 10:30:08 AM PDT by tips up
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To: tips up

People are awake. If you live in NYC, you’re reminded of the threat of terrorism every single day.


32 posted on 10/14/2007 10:36:05 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: tips up

Libs are insane.


33 posted on 10/14/2007 10:39:30 AM PDT by rbosque ("To educate a person in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society." - Teddy Roosevelt)
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To: MNJohnnie
That was an excellent speech.

Whatever happened to the guy who delivered it??

34 posted on 10/14/2007 10:49:21 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Diogenesis

Dio, who are the folks in the second picture with women wearing scarves?


35 posted on 10/14/2007 11:11:35 AM PDT by AFA-Michigan
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To: tips up
Why can't we do that today?

Because the State Department is on the side of the terrorists.

36 posted on 10/14/2007 1:00:55 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: stinkerpot65

Yes they are. Interesting that the State Dept always seems to undermine the administration, or at least this current administration.

Probably because there are too many lefties as career State Dept employees.


37 posted on 10/14/2007 1:48:42 PM PDT by tips up
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To: tips up
Is our (as a country) inability to see things as they are ignorance or total denial?

It is Political Correctness. . .mind-numbing, reason-erasing, inferior, vacuous. . . culture diluting; values-absent, Leftist propagated, political correctness.

I mean, we cannot even agree on the who and what of this enemy that we face. We cannot NAME them, IT. . .without being called down for being racist. . .ignorant and bigoted. . .

The elephant is in the room; the dung is flying. . .but like the 'blind men'; we can describe an ear. . .or a tail; but we cannot NAME the beast.

Can you say, Islamo Fascism. . .Islamo Fascist. . .and Islamic Jihad?

You can; but you will pay a personal price for doing so. . .

38 posted on 10/14/2007 3:22:14 PM PDT by cricket
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To: kabar
We need to identify these radical beliefs directly.

Even our most outspoken critics of Islam are avoiding one explosive issue that has religious and scientific condemnation of their culture. Mark Steyn talks about demographics. I confess I haven't read his book. But who is saying anything about 30% of Muslims marring first cousins, leading to inbred sick and stillborn children, whom they abandon to taxpayers? http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/short/333/7573/831?etoc Who has condemned polygamy, scientifically, not religiously for causing inbreeding? We make fun of Southerners marrying cousins, but everyone is hushed about Muslims. Each generation in polygamous societies has fewer male ancestors and more sons and daughters who are cousins and half-siblings. It is mathematical, not religious. Finally, polygamy causes a cultural necessity for violence and conquest since extra young men must be purged or find foreign women to rape and enslave. Mohammed's lust ruined his civilization, IMHO. Another interesting article about marrying cousins. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4442010.stm

39 posted on 10/14/2007 4:17:46 PM PDT by bukkdems (Polygamy requires that you get rid of extra young men. Jihad is the way.)
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To: cricket

Like in Harry Potter where Voldemort is called “he who must not be named”...


40 posted on 10/14/2007 5:26:46 PM PDT by tips up
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To: tips up
Like in Harry Potter where Voldemort is called “he who must not be named”...

'r i g h t'. . .lol; but. . .for sure. In this case, not identifying the enemy; empowers the enemy, of course; just as not 'naming' a 'power'. . .gives the unmentionable, more power.

Meantime, we have Alan Colmes and the Left et al; decrying David Horowitz's efforts to 'wake up' an American constituency - University students in particular - - to the realities of radical fundalmentalism i.e. Islamic Facism; and has been marked as a racist jokester of sorts for doing so. . .'what a horrible thing to say'. . .

The Left diminishes the efforts here by damaging those who attempt 'the truth'. . .Not unlike, Hillary, calling VP Dick Cheney, 'Darth Vader' because of his efforts to actually deal with our enemies. This IS a joke to them; and they want it to be for the rest of us.

As for. . .'he who must not be named'; I suspect that will be Hillary. . .a name not articulated casually again should she ascend to power. She was only 'the wife' in truth, albeit, a powerful one, when in the WH. . .and she took pains to remind her staff; just 'who' they were dealing with. If you remember; no one was allowed to walk in the halls when her heinous 'walked the halls'; at least not without purposeful protocol; and you were never to look her in the eye, should you encounter her.

For sure; Hillary will be the'nameless' as per the unspoken in Harry Potter. Inauthentic power, requires at least that much. . .

41 posted on 10/14/2007 6:37:37 PM PDT by cricket
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To: tips up
Like in Harry Potter where Voldemort is called “he who must not be named”...

'r i g h t'. . .lol; but. . .for sure. In this case, not identifying the enemy; empowers the enemy, of course; just as not 'naming' a 'power'. . .gives the unmentionable, more power.

Meantime, we have Alan Colmes and the Left et al; decrying David Horowitz's efforts to 'wake up' an American constituency - University students in particular - - to the realities of radical fundalmentalism i.e. Islamic Facism; and has been marked as a racist jokester of sorts for doing so. . .'what a horrible thing to say'. . .

The Left diminishes the efforts here by damaging those who attempt 'the truth'. . .Not unlike, Hillary, calling VP Dick Cheney, 'Darth Vader' because of his efforts to actually deal with our enemies. This IS a joke to them; and they want it to be for the rest of us.

As for. . .'he who must not be named'; I suspect that will be Hillary. . .a name not articulated casually again should she ascend to power. She was only 'the wife' in truth, albeit, a powerful one, when in the WH. . .and she took pains to remind her staff; just 'who' they were dealing with. If you remember; no one was allowed to walk in the halls when her heinous 'walked the halls'; at least not without purposeful protocol; and you were never to look her in the eye, should you encounter her.

For sure; Hillary will be the'nameless' as per the unspoken in Harry Potter. Inauthentic power, requires at least that much. . .

42 posted on 10/14/2007 6:38:08 PM PDT by cricket
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To: tips up
Like in Harry Potter where Voldemort is called “he who must not be named”...

'r i g h t'. . .lol; but. . .for sure. In this case, not identifying the enemy; empowers the enemy, of course; just as not 'naming' a 'power'. . .gives the unmentionable, more power.

Meantime, we have Alan Colmes and the Left et al; decrying David Horowitz's efforts to 'wake up' an American constituency - University students in particular - - to the realities of radical fundalmentalism i.e. Islamic Facism; and has been marked as a racist jokester of sorts for doing so. . .'what a horrible thing to say'. . .

The Left diminishes the efforts here by damaging those who attempt 'the truth'. . .Not unlike, Hillary, calling VP Dick Cheney, 'Darth Vader' because of his efforts to actually deal with our enemies. This IS a joke to them; and they want it to be for the rest of us.

As for. . .'he who must not be named'; I suspect that will be Hillary. . .a name not articulated casually again should she ascend to power. She was only 'the wife' in truth, albeit, a powerful one, when in the WH. . .and she took pains to remind her staff; just 'who' they were dealing with. If you remember; no one was allowed to walk in the halls when her heinous 'walked the halls'; at least not without purposeful protocol; and you were never to look her in the eye, should you encounter her.

For sure; Hillary will be the'nameless' as per the unspoken in Harry Potter. Inauthentic power, requires at least that much. . .

43 posted on 10/14/2007 6:38:18 PM PDT by cricket
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To: cricket

And if Hillary is elected, then radical Islam will be HER PROBLEM which she will have to contend with.

Likely she will do much the same as Bush has been doing, though the media will spin her approach as something totally new and different.


44 posted on 10/14/2007 7:05:53 PM PDT by tips up
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To: AFA-Michigan

You asked about the women in the photo wearing scarves.
From an article on danielpipes.org (probably appeared in NY Sun July 3, 07 ) the photo was captioned as follows :

Sitting in the audience at the Islamic Center on June 27, 2007, three senior Bush administration staffers wore makeshift hijabs: Fran Townsend (far left), Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, NSC Senior Director for European Affairs Judy Ansley (left), and Under Secretary of State for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs Karen Hughes (right).


45 posted on 10/14/2007 11:54:54 PM PDT by au-plainsman
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To: tips up

She’ll solve the problem by pardoning al Qaeda.


46 posted on 10/15/2007 2:18:46 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: tips up
And if Hillary is elected, then radical Islam will be HER PROBLEM which she will have to contend with.

The irony here is that the 'Left' imagines an empathy; a resonance with this enemy; which in truth exists. But the Left is only using them so as to advance their own agenda. As they facilitate this enemy; and empower them; they will find themselves. . .'too late smart' and they will become this enemy's target as well; and in a most personal way. (The yearning promises of Jihadists, to behead Madonna and Paris. . .offering less than a veiled hint; but one still not reconizeable to our Lib Left. . .)

During WW11. . .those Imams who collaberated with Hitler. . .recognized a similar resonance. Had Hitler won, of course, those Imams and their spiritual 'body collective' would have been Hitler's next genocide. . .

47 posted on 10/15/2007 2:20:35 AM PDT by cricket
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To: MNJohnnie
Great speech, wasn't it? Too bad that shortly thereafter President Bush was replaced by this guy:


48 posted on 10/15/2007 6:54:25 AM PDT by Notary Sojac ("If it ain't broken, fix it 'till it is" - Congress)
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To: live+let_live
My kids told me that when you stop laughing at fart jokes you’re too old.

Well go on farting.

49 posted on 10/17/2007 6:36:28 PM PDT by Neophyte (Nazis, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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