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Churchill stopped missiles at British Jews' expense
WND ^ | October 14, 2007 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 10/14/2007 8:22:54 AM PDT by Nachum

Incoming V1 "flying bomb"
LONDON – With Nazi "flying bombs" raining down on the nation's capital and largest population center, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill made a fateful and agonizing decision to use a double agent to redirect the missiles toward the Jewish sector of the city, secret MI6 files reveal for the first time.

On June 14, 1944, Churchill gathered his top military advisers, including John Cecil Masterman, who ran the double-agents – spies recruited by the Nazis and sent to England only to be "turned" by the intelligence service to work for Britain.

Among the most daring recruits was Eddie Chapman, a Londoner who before the war had led a devil-may-care life as a safe cracker. He had fled to Jersey to avoid arrest for his latest crime – only to arrive there at the time the Germans invaded the island.

On that June night, the Air Ministry analysts had calculated the flying bombs, or doodlebugs, as they would be called, would continue to be aimed at Central London – at the Air Ministry headquarters in Kingsway and on Whitehall.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: churchill; farah; israel; jews; mi6; missilesbritish; msmtrash; wnd; wwii; zotthis

1 posted on 10/14/2007 8:23:02 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Well as usual the headline totally misrepresents what the story says Churchill did.


2 posted on 10/14/2007 8:25:52 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Yo Democrats : Don't tell us how to fight the war, we will not tell you how to be the village idiots)
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To: Nachum
Can't be true. The Jooooooooooooos control everything.

(Do I really need a < /sarcasm> tag? Yeah, probably)...

3 posted on 10/14/2007 8:27:56 AM PDT by null and void (Lib-uh-rulz can't foresee even the clearest consequences to their actions...)
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To: Nachum
How foolish can WND be? Now they adopt the same MSM media tactics of attaching incorrect and inflammatory headlines to stories that are at best, poorly researched.
4 posted on 10/14/2007 8:34:52 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: Nachum

More revisionist nonsense. Churchill was the 20th Century’s greatest leader, followed closely by Reagan. If he gave an order that adversely affected British Jews, it would not have been because they were British Jews. None of the occupants of #10 Downing Street since Churchill could have done better — and that includes Thatcher, who is probably the 3rd greatest leader of the 20th Century.


5 posted on 10/14/2007 8:36:43 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghill mi do dhuine. Fg am bealach.)
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To: Nachum

What a load of crock.


6 posted on 10/14/2007 8:37:30 AM PDT by SolidWood ("I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.")
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To: Nachum

Oy Vey...


7 posted on 10/14/2007 8:44:24 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Nachum
The flying bomb though a product of ingenuity had one primary defect. This was that there was absolutely no accuracy using say a three mile radius. That is being generous. Aerial pictures of London and the suburbs show buildings packed closely. All that had to be done was to aim them in the general direction of London and the suburbs. There was virtually a 35 mile radius, if not more from the centre of London.

So the lies go on and on. In any case there was no Jewish ghetto. Although there were areas where Jewish people seemed to congregate, they were absolutely intermingled with the usual population.

I worked in the suburbs 1948 and delivered piece goods of cloth with a cockney van driver. I got to know the cheerful and non-snobbish Jewish business man. I said the cockney, "they ain't snobs". He agreed. Admitted we did think they were different though. (laughs)

8 posted on 10/14/2007 8:45:24 AM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Nachum

From Enigma intercepts, Churchill knew that the Germans were going to carpet bomb Coventry within hours. He kept the lid on to protect the most important espionage weapon the allies had knowing Coventry was going to get clobbered.


9 posted on 10/14/2007 8:54:22 AM PDT by AU72
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To: Nachum
In the week starting 18th June, 1944. Germany launched 100 V1 rockets causing a total of 425 deaths (4.25 per missile)

In the week starting 25th June, 1944, Germany launched 127 V1 rockets causing 357 deaths (2.81 per missile)

In the week starting 2nd July, 1944, Germany launched 119 V1 rockets causing 262 deaths (2.2 per missile)

The lower death number of deaths after 1st July could be attributed to the misinformation being spread to the Germans which causes the missiles to fall outside the heavily congested centre of London. Lives were probably saved by this decision.

The implication from the article is that the Jews were targeted but this is not the case.

The Germans knew which direction London was, but the exact distance was determined by the damage reports that they received. All Churchill could do is affect the distance that they travelled. Better to have them fall short than to fly over the city in the hope that they had enough fuel to carry them out of harms way.

This was the right decision for many reasons, the Jews were never targeted by Churchill.... bad article for giving people that impression.

Source of deaths from V1 ---> http://www.flyingbombsandrockets.com/statsbyweek.html

10 posted on 10/14/2007 9:01:41 AM PDT by BRITinUSA
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To: MindBender26
“How foolish can WND be? Now they adopt the same MSM media tactics of attaching incorrect and inflammatory headlines to stories that are at best, poorly researched.”

You are correct, MindBender. I read the article looking for something antisemitic, and found nothing. Perhaps if Mr. Churchill had allowed the continued targeting of central London, he could have just as easily been called “anti-Christian.”

The testimony of the double agent was that numbers of lives, overall, were spared. I will not accept from the article any implication that W. Churchill was desirous to destroy the Jewish population of London.

11 posted on 10/14/2007 9:14:34 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: BRITinUSA

OTOH, I think the Germans were intelligent enough to know how to read a map and use a compass and knew the V-1s capabilities well enough to do their own targeting.


12 posted on 10/14/2007 9:18:48 AM PDT by Justa (Politically Correct is morally wrong.)
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To: Justa
Yes they did have that information, but what they did not have and could not compute was the distance that they travelled and that was a consequence of atmospheric conditions, wind, air temp etc.

This is why they relied so heavily on reports from spies who could tell them if they were falling short or going long.

13 posted on 10/14/2007 9:22:28 AM PDT by BRITinUSA
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To: Nachum

more Bull$h1t!!!!!


14 posted on 10/14/2007 9:24:54 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
More revisionist nonsense. Churchill was the 20th Century’s greatest leader, followed closely by Reagan. If he gave an order that adversely affected British Jews, it would not have been because they were British Jews. None of the occupants of #10 Downing Street since Churchill could have done better — and that includes Thatcher, who is probably the 3rd greatest leader of the 20th Century

Good post and accurate. Churchill, FDR, Eisenhower, and Montgomery made many many hard decisions that they knew would result in the death of their countrymen but at the same time save many more than were lost due to their decision.

The Brits had broken the German Code via the capture of the enigma machine from a sub and this combined with brilliant Brits at the Code Breaking center at Betchly Green in Berkshire let the allies know what the Germans were doing. The Germans planned a massive raid on Croydon. Churchill knew this and did not inform the RAF. The reason he did not inform the RAF is they would have put up many fighters and the Germans would then know their code was broken. D-Day was in the near future and much more important than the lives of the people in Croydon.

Those were hard decisions made by great men. They were the right decisions.

15 posted on 10/14/2007 9:31:27 AM PDT by cpdiii (Roughneck, (Oil Field Trash and Proud of It) Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast.)
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To: Nachum
The V-1 was lucky if it hit London because it’s guidance system was so poor.
16 posted on 10/14/2007 9:36:21 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: Nachum

Well, I’ve watched too many WWII documentaries over the decades that
I can’t give a citation for what I’m going to mention.

IIRC, the story I heard was that the area of V1 impacts was so scattered
that disinformation was spread via the English newspapers and by
covert means to let the Germans think they were doing a good job
of hitting their desired targets.
When, IN REALITY, their V1s were landing all over the place and having
mininal impact on key targets.
(even though, as a regular part of war, the ones that took out
civilians, soldiers and workers were sad affairs).

Maybe my recollection is in error, but the scenario mentioned
above did make sense in regard to the use of disinformation.


17 posted on 10/14/2007 9:40:35 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Nachum

Oh, this outta help. /s/


18 posted on 10/14/2007 9:42:19 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: MindBender26
WND is not a reliable source of information. Never has been reliable and has frequently been manipulative. As far as I'm concerned, it's one of the last places I look for facts and honest reporting.
19 posted on 10/14/2007 9:55:33 AM PDT by Clara Lou (Thompson '08)
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To: Nachum

absolute horseshite article and lying title

the AM should yank this one.

is Donnie Deutsch a freeper now?


20 posted on 10/14/2007 10:00:46 AM PDT by wardaddy (Behind the lines in Vichy Nashville)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Sing it, brother!


21 posted on 10/14/2007 10:01:20 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Nachum
Hitler's campaign ended in August 1944. The doodlebugs had killed 6,184 people. In one of the documents in the Y-Files, Masterman noted: "This was one of the most difficult decisions Winston Churchill made."

Wow. Kinda makes 9/11 seem even more devastating. I assumed the British losses from the Nazi bombings were much higher.

22 posted on 10/14/2007 10:06:26 AM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: Nachum

LOL! Aim a V1?

Poor WND must be getting desperate for articles.


23 posted on 10/14/2007 10:07:47 AM PDT by britemp
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To: gitmo

‘Wow. Kinda makes 9/11 seem even more devastating. I assumed the British losses from the Nazi bombings were much higher.’

That’s just the death toll from V1’s. The total was over 55,000 people killed by bombs in London.


24 posted on 10/14/2007 10:11:22 AM PDT by britemp
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To: Nachum

The Germans were smart enough to know that the only real variable was distance, not deflection. If a double agent had told the Germans that the missles were missing downtown either to the lefy or right, they would have known something was amiss. The only believable lie was that the bombs were overshooting the target.


25 posted on 10/14/2007 10:18:07 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: AU72

Anyone visiting england should not miss visiting the old bombed out Coventry Cathedral and the new one; the new one being completed in 1962.

For more info:

http://www.coventrycathedral.org.uk/History.html


26 posted on 10/14/2007 10:24:35 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: britemp
That’s just the death toll from V1’s. The total was over 55,000 people killed by bombs in London.

Thanks for the info. Public school, ya know.

27 posted on 10/14/2007 11:31:23 AM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: Nachum

bump


28 posted on 10/14/2007 11:35:45 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Nachum

I didn’t think the V1s were that accurate ?


29 posted on 10/14/2007 12:26:29 PM PDT by uncbob (m first)
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To: Nachum
If they learned of it, would British Jews see the decision to divert the doodlebugs as another example of what they regarded as indifference to the fate of their relations in Auschwitz, Dachau and Belsen-Bergen, whose liberation had begun to unmask the first horrors of the Holocaust?

They apparently don't only NOT know history, they don't even know how to read a calendar at WND.

Are they really so ignorant that they think that Dachau, Auschwitz and Belsen had been liberated by June 14, 1944?

Hey, Farrah, if you read this, the western Allies were still pinned down in Normandy on June 14. They wouldn't get to the Munich suburbs until 10 months later. The Russians got to Auschwitz in January 1945.

30 posted on 10/14/2007 1:04:03 PM PDT by PAR35
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31 posted on 09/30/2010 8:31:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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