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China rules out West's democracy (China will never have Western-style democracy)
BBC ^ | 10/14/07 | Michael Bristow

Posted on 10/14/2007 8:35:51 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

China rules out West's democracy

By Michael Bristow

BBC News, Beijing

China will never have Western-style democracy, a senior official said on the eve of the country's most important political meeting in five years. But Li Dongsheng, spokesman for the Communist Party's 17th congress, said China would pursue political reform.

Mr Li was speaking at a news conference ahead of the congress, which opens in the capital, Beijing, on Monday.

Some party members have called for political changes to accompany economic reforms, which have transformed China.

The majority of people have enjoyed real benefits from reform and opening up

Li Dongsheng Communist Party Spokesman

Mr Li said: "Political reform is an important component of our comprehensive reform. We have advanced political reform without pause."

But he quickly quashed any idea that China could eventually become a multi-party liberal democracy.

"We will never copy the Western model of political system," he said as he gave details about the congress, which meets every five years.

'Theoretical innovations'

Mr Li's statement is not surprising as other senior party leaders have voiced similar comments in the past.

But it sets the tone for the congress, at which delegates will endorse policies that are set to shape China over the coming years.

As well as discussing future policies, congress delegates will hear a report from Chinese President Hu Jintao, who is also the party's general secretary.

They will also amend the party's constitution to reflect what Mr Li described as "theoretical innovations".

That probably means President Hu's ideas about "scientific development" will be written into the constitution.

This concept calls for more balanced economic development that does not lead to problems such as pollution or a widening wealth gap between rich and poor.

The constitution was also changed in 2002 to include previous President Jiang Zemin's contribution to political thought - The Three Represents.

That idea reflected the former president's desire to bring a wider range of people into the party, most notably China's newly rich business class.

Politburo election

At the press conference, Mr Li revealed that ex-President Jiang, as well as two former premiers, Li Peng and Zhu Rongji, will attend the congress as special delegates.

These veteran leaders will join a total of 2,213 ordinary delegates.

The delegates' main task will be to select the party central committee, which will then in turn select members of the politburo, the country's highest decision-making body.

There has been widespread speculation about who will be elected to the politburo's elite standing committee.

Li Keqiang, the current chief of Liaoning Province, and Shanghai boss Xi Jinping have both been tipped to join the standing committee.

But whatever policies and personnel changes are approved at the week-long congress, China is set to continue on its current course.

The congress' spokesman, Li Dongsheng, dismissed discontent about problems such as pollution and the illegal taking of farmers' land.

He said these were regional and individual cases.

"The majority of people have enjoyed real benefits from reform and opening up," he said.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: china; democracy; partycongress; tlr
No matter. Chinese communist regime will break up soon. In the meantime, let them enjoy their inflated pride.
1 posted on 10/14/2007 8:36:10 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; maui_hawaii; tallhappy; Dr. Marten; Jeff Head; Tainan; hedgetrimmer; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 10/14/2007 8:37:23 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I have never understood why we are doing business with a country that is supposed to be our enemy.

The only thing I can think of is NWO.


3 posted on 10/14/2007 8:43:48 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (Liberals work to make people victims in order to enslave them.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Has it ever occurred to anyone that China’s former leaders once ruled out West’s Communism?


4 posted on 10/14/2007 8:44:00 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I have never understood why we are doing business with a country that is supposed to be our enemy.

The only thing I can think of is NWO.


5 posted on 10/14/2007 8:44:00 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (Liberals work to make people victims in order to enslave them.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I have never understood why we are doing business with a country that is supposed to be our enemy.

The only thing I can think of is NWO.


6 posted on 10/14/2007 8:44:10 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (Liberals work to make people victims in order to enslave them.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
China will never have Western-style democracy

Neither will the U.S.A. if the Democrats have their way.

7 posted on 10/14/2007 8:46:37 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
No matter. Chinese communist regime will break up soon. In the meantime, let them enjoy their inflated pride.

I like your optimism. Thanks for posting the article. Interesting.

8 posted on 10/14/2007 8:50:23 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: TigerLikesRooster
China will never have Western-style democracy,

Of course not and they will never have capitalism either.

9 posted on 10/14/2007 8:51:23 AM PDT by SouthTexas
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To: Savage Beast

Some countries, or individuals, cannot handle properity and freedom. It must be instituted gradually before they can understand what it is about. It is like taking a dirt poor family and putting them in a rich mansion with all the maids and butlers. They would be so confused and go hog wild over their change of life, making unreal descisions without thought, rhyme, or reason why.

Bullfrog


10 posted on 10/14/2007 8:56:51 AM PDT by Bullfrogg (American by Birth, Irish by heritage, hell raiser by choice)
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To: Savage Beast

Amen, well said.


11 posted on 10/14/2007 9:02:30 AM PDT by Plains Drifter (If guns kill people, wouldn't there be a lot of dead people at gun shows?)
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To: Bullfrogg
Some countries, or individuals, cannot handle properity and freedom. It must be instituted gradually before they can understand what it is about. It is like taking a dirt poor family and putting them in a rich mansion with all the maids and butlers. They would be so confused and go hog wild over their change of life, making unreal descisions without thought, rhyme, or reason why. Bullfrog

Like Britney Spears ;)

12 posted on 10/14/2007 9:09:59 AM PDT by Clear Rivers
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"We will never copy the Western model of political system," he said as he gave details about the congress, which meets every five years.

History says the same thing: in all of China's long history, it has never had a representative government.

My own guess is that it won't develop one since I believe that there is no historical dynamic working here to create one.

Instead, Red China will continue the long history of rule from above, which has at least featured meritocratic elements at various times.

13 posted on 10/14/2007 9:41:42 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: TigerLikesRooster
(China will never have Western-style democracy)

Who didn't know that?

14 posted on 10/14/2007 9:42:47 AM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

After seeing the mess we’ve made of “democracy” — who can blame the Chinese for not wanting to mimic the disaster we’ve made of our “democracy”?

The illiterate, nonproductive, illegals, perverts, racists, welfare dependent and run of the mill assholes now control our fate as a result of our irresponsible “democracy”..


15 posted on 10/14/2007 9:45:21 AM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

France is the West. China will need to observe the many kinds of state constitution a while longer before they decide what to do. 5000 years of watching and it’s still too soon to pick a winner.


16 posted on 10/14/2007 9:45:58 AM PDT by RightWhale (50 years later we're still sitting on the ground)
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To: expat_panama

“Has it ever occurred to anyone that China’s former leaders once ruled out West’s Communism?”

Exactly. Even Communism wasn’t copied verbatim; they merely adapted it to their society as they have everything else they’ve borrowed from the West - with Chinese characteristics.


17 posted on 10/14/2007 9:53:10 AM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: snowsislander

History should also show that the Chinese people clearly desire a strong central government. In fact, they demand it.


18 posted on 10/14/2007 9:55:52 AM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: All; TigerLikesRooster

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...for GOD is LOVE,

is more LOVE.

And that only comes when...

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19 posted on 10/14/2007 9:57:35 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
China rules out West's democracy (China will never have Western-style democracy)

Well, duh.
China, by merit of it's location...would have be an Eastern Democracy.

I'm usually a pessimist, but I suspect that mainland China might
hit something resembling a Western-style democracy withing 30 years.

Too much of the old, rich Commie establishment is going rotten,
too much of the young, traveled Chinese (as well as the growing
Christian demographic) might just pull off the coup.
In favor of democractic/republican government.

It'll probably happen while the CIA says "it'll never happen".

Sort of like the way the CIA didn't see the fall of The Berlin Wall.
20 posted on 10/14/2007 10:01:39 AM PDT by VOA
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To: TigerLikesRooster
China rules out West's democracy (China will never have Western-style democracy)

And why would they want to? Look at what kind of problems having Democrats has caused for us. Why would they willingly entertain treason if they didn't have to? Kudos to the Chinese...

If we could stifle treason we'd certainly have the best system of government on the planet. Perhaps they'll learn from our mistakes.

As it is, the two party system is on it's way towards melding and establishing a socialist plutocracy where politicians are the aristocrats and Democrat party members are a protected class. The rest of us are tax-bearers or revenue gatherers...

21 posted on 10/14/2007 10:06:26 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Dr. Marten; TigerLikesRooster; All

A little history lesson: If you don’t know the answer make your best guess. Answer all the questions before looking at the answers.

Who said it?

1) “We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common
good.”

A. Karl Marx
B. Adolph Hitler
C. Joseph Stalin
D. None of the above

2) “It’s time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few,
by the few, and for the few...and to replace it with shared
responsibility for shared prosperity.”

A. Lenin
B. Mussolini
C. Idi Amin
D. None of the Above

3) “(We)...can’t just let business as usual go on, and that means
something has to be taken away from some people.”

A. Nikita Khrushev
B. Jose f Goebbels
C. Boris Yeltsin
D. None of the above

4) “We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to
give up a little bit of their own...in order to create this common
ground.”

A. Mao Tse Dung
B. Hugo Chavez
C. Kim Jong Il
D. None of the above

5) “I certainly think the free-market has failed.”

> A. Karl Marx
B. Lenin
C. Molotov
D. None of the above

6) “I think it’s time to send a clear message to what has become the
most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being
watched.”

A. Pinochet
B. Milosevic
C. Saddam Hussein
D. None of the above




Answers:

(1) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton
6/29/2004

(2) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton
5/29/2007

(3) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007

(4) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007

(5) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007

(6) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 9/2/2005

Be afraid. Be very, very afraid!


22 posted on 10/14/2007 10:06:54 AM PDT by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: Dr. Marten
History should also show that the Chinese people clearly desire a strong central government. In fact, they demand it.

I think history does show that; historically, I believe that chaos has not been kind to the ordinary individual in China.

While there are always cycles in China, transitional periods have been on the whole hard on the Chinese people.

23 posted on 10/14/2007 10:13:56 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Agreed, famous last words. But soon is kind of relative. I’ve been thinking by mid-century. You?


24 posted on 10/14/2007 10:26:51 AM PDT by edsheppa
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To: TigerLikesRooster
China rules out West's democracy

Yeah. Why go for a winner when you can go second stringer???

These "former" communist countrys are all saying this. What they fail to recognize is that to get part of the winning ticket, you have to take the whole thing. Democracy, economics, military subordinate to political leadership, captialism, free markets, property ownership, rule of law ... all of it, or it simply doesn't work.

Dolts.

25 posted on 10/14/2007 11:29:15 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.)
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To: Bullfrogg
Some countries, or individuals, cannot handle properity and freedom. It must be instituted gradually before they can understand what it is about. It is like taking a dirt poor family and putting them in a rich mansion with all the maids and butlers. They would be so confused and go hog wild over their change of life, making unreal descisions without thought, rhyme, or reason why.

Come and listen to my story about a man named Jeb...

26 posted on 10/14/2007 11:36:23 AM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

There are many flourishing democracies in the world where it was once said it can never happen.


27 posted on 10/14/2007 11:43:42 AM PDT by elpadre
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To: TigerLikesRooster

There are many flourishing democracies in the world where it was once said it can never happen.


28 posted on 10/14/2007 11:43:57 AM PDT by elpadre
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To: TigerLikesRooster

There are many flourishing democracies in the world where it was once said it can never happen.


29 posted on 10/14/2007 11:43:57 AM PDT by elpadre
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To: Savage Beast
China will never have Western-style democracy.

Neither will the U.S.A. if the Democrats have their way.

I am constantly reminded, on FreeRepublic, that the United States is not a Democracy.

30 posted on 10/14/2007 11:47:39 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Plains Drifter; Bullfrogg

The Europeans show a certain wisdom in inviting the Muslims to become their masters. Otherwise it would be the Chinese.


31 posted on 10/14/2007 11:51:33 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

“Never” is a long time.


32 posted on 10/14/2007 12:04:27 PM PDT by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Even as the Chinese measure it, “Never” is a very long time.

Never say “never.”


33 posted on 10/14/2007 12:20:26 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
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To: elpadre

yes but it took a lot of bombs and blood before it was possible


34 posted on 10/14/2007 1:51:23 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Savage Beast
The Europeans show a certain wisdom in inviting the Muslims to become their masters. Otherwise it would be the Chinese.

Wisdom?

The ideology of communism as a way of life will eventually die a natural death, but islamism, if we do not strangle it, will torment civilization until the end of days.

35 posted on 10/14/2007 2:13:09 PM PDT by Max in Utah (If your neighbors habitually trespassed, wouldn't you want a nice tall fence with razor wire on top?)
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To: Dr. Marten
That is because they have never found a way to coexist as multiple states. They believe they should have one China at all costs. The cost to have one China usually is to get 2/3 of population killed.

China has the long cycle of demographic explosion beyond its carrying capacity. Coupled with decay of dynasty and run-away corruption, the country plunges into chaos, and lose large part of its population. It is a vicious cycle the mandate of one China cannot solve.

China went into a wrong track, unlike Europe and India.

36 posted on 10/14/2007 9:16:29 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: proudofthesouth
with a country that is supposed to be our enemy

Maybe because other than rhetoric from certain circles that may wish it so, they're not our enemy. At least not yet.

37 posted on 10/15/2007 4:09:08 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: billbears

China is Communist. I thought Communists WERE our enemy. (They are mine!)


38 posted on 10/15/2007 4:31:02 PM PDT by proudofthesouth (Liberals work to make people victims in order to enslave them.)
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To: proudofthesouth
And the point of the article, as in multiple news sources (well non US news sources that don't have time to focus solely on Britney and George), is that China is being forced to change simply because of the growth within their country. They may still have communist by their name but it is becoming somewhat capitalistic every year

I thought Communists WERE our enemy.

Curious. Communists weren't always the enemy. Matter of fact for awhile they were an ally sometime before and during WWII. And exactly how can a economic ideology be an enemy?

39 posted on 10/15/2007 4:56:14 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Back in 1775, Great Britian ruled out this “western” style democracy too...didn’t make a whit of difference in the end...after the fighting.


40 posted on 10/15/2007 8:06:06 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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