Skip to comments.It's Wrong for the Right to be Rudyphobic
Posted on 10/15/2007 4:29:47 AM PDT by StatenIsland
The most important traditional value in this election is keeping the Clintons out of the White House, says Greg Alterton, an evangelical Christian who has spent my entire professional career considering how my faith impacts, or should impact, the arena in which I work government and politics. Alterton writes for SoConsForRudy.com and counts himself among Rudolph W. Giulianis social-conservative supporters.
People like Alterton are important, if overlooked, in the Republican presidential sweepstakes. Anti-Giuliani Religious Rightists are far more visible. Also conspicuous are pundits whose cartoon version of social conservatism regards abortion and gay rights as the social issues, excluding other traditionalist concerns.
New Yorks former mayor has abandoned social conservatism, commentator Maggie Gallagher complains. He is anathema to social conservatives, veteran columnist Robert Novak recently wrote. Focus on the Family founder Dr. James Dobson has said: I cannot, and will not, vote for Rudy Giuliani in 2008. It is an irrevocable decision. Dobson and a cadre of Religious Right leaders threaten to deploy a pro-life, third-party candidate should Giuliani be nominated.
This Rudyphobia ignores three key factors: Giulianis pro-family/anti-abortion ideas, his socially conservative mayoral record, and his popularity among churchgoing Republicans.
While Giuliani accepts a womans right to an abortion, he told Iowa voters on August 7: By working together to promote personal responsibility and a culture of life, Americans can limit abortions and increase adoptions. Among Giulianis proposals to achieve this end:
My administration will streamline the adoption process by removing the heartbreaking bureaucratic delays that burden the current process. Giuliani notes that sclerotic court schedules, exhausted social workers, and tangled red tape trap some 115,000 boys and girls in foster care and prevent moms and dads from adopting them.
Giuliani proposes that the Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives promote organizations that help women choose adoption over abortion.
He would make permanent the $10,000 adoption tax credit.
Giuliani also would encourage states and cities to report timely and complete statistics to measure progress in abortion reduction.
This is no sudden conversion on the road to Washington. As mayor, Giuliani did nothing to advance abortion. That helps explains why, on his watch, total abortions fell 13 percent across America, but slid 17 percent in New York. More significant, between 1993 and 2001, Gothams tax-funded Medicaid abortions plunged 23 percent.
Medicaid reimbursement figures from the New York State Division of the Budget allow a rough calculation of the Giuliani administrations expenditures on taxpayer-financed abortions. This estimated funding dropped 22.85 percent, from $1,226,414 in 1993 to $946,175 in 2001. (See more here.)
Giulianis campaign for personal responsibility helped create a climate that discouraged abortion. Moving 58 percent of welfare recipients from public assistance to self-reliance, starting before President Clinton signed federal welfare reform, may have encouraged women and men to avoid unwanted pregnancies. New Yorks transformation from chaos to order which helped slash overall crime by 57 percent and homicide by 67 percent probably reinforced such self-control.
Compared to the eight Democratic years before he arrived, adoptions under Giuliani soared 133 percent. Fiscal years 1987 to 1994 saw 11,287 adoptions; this grew to 27,561 between FY 1995 and FY 2002.
In another pro-family policy, Giuliani divested 78 percent of City Halls vast portfolio of confiscated, property-tax-delinquent homes. These were privatized and sold to families and individuals.
Giuliani proposed eliminating the citys $2,000 marriage penalty. (As individuals, a husband and wife each would enjoy a $7,500 standard deduction, but only write off $13,000 if they jointly filed taxes.) He chopped it to just $400, letting joint-filers share a $14,600 deduction.
Giuliani also opposed gay marriage in 1989, long before it shot onto the radar. My definition of family is what it is, Giuliani told Newsday 18 years ago. It does not include gay marriage as part of that definition.
On Day 24 of his mayoralty, Giuliani jettisoned New Yorks minority and women-owned business set-aside program. He later explained: The whole idea of quotas to me perpetuates discrimination. During the 12-year Republican Revolution, Congress deserted the fight for colorblindness.
Giuliani sliced or scrapped 23 taxes totaling $9.8 billion and shrank Gothams tax burden by 17 percent. This left parents more money for childrens healthcare, private-school tuition, etc.
On education, Giuliani launched a $10 million fund to support 17 new charter schools. Zero existed before he arrived. Giuliani also ended tenure for principals, fought for vouchers, and torpedoed City Universitys open admissions and social-promotion policies.
I took a city that was also known as the pornography capitol of this country, Giuliani told New Hampshire voters last June. I got through a ground-breaking re-zoning that was challenged in the courts. We won. And now, if you go to New York City, you dont have to be bombarded with pornography. And the city has grown dramatically economically, physically, and spiritually.
Giuliani accomplished this and plenty more not in Tulsa, Oklahoma, but in New York City. He could have governed comfortably as a pro-abortion, pro-welfare, pro-quota, soft-on-crime, tax-and-spend, liberal Republican. Instead, Giuliani relentlessly pushed Reaganesque socio-economic reforms through a City Council populated by seven Republicans and 44 Democrats. Whats so liberal about that?
This record, and Giulianis headstrong style, may explain why he leads his competitors and impresses churchgoers. An October 3 ABC/Washington Post poll of 398 Republican and GOP-leaning adults found Giuliani outrunning former senator Fred Thompson, 34 percent to 17, versus Senator John McCains 12 percent, and Willard Mitt Romneys 11. (Error margin +/- 5 percent.) As most electable, Giuliani took 50 percent, versus McCains 15, Thompsons 13, and Romneys 6.
An October 3 Gallup survey found Giuliani enjoying a 38 percent net-favorable rating among churchgoing Catholics, compared to McCains 29, and Thompsons 25. Among Protestant churchgoers, Thompson edges Giuliani 26 percent to 23, with McCain at 16, and Romney at 7.
What do Giulianis Religious Right detractors really fear he will do about abortion? If he can overcome their suspicions, secure the GOP nomination, and win the White House, do Giulianis critics actually believe he would squander that victory and enrage the GOP base by pushing abortion? Do his foes honestly think Giuliani would request federal abortion funding in violation of the Hyde Amendment he says he supports or appoint activist Supreme Court justices, rather than Antonin Scalia- and Clarence Thomas-style constitutionalists, as he says he would?
Having kept or exceeded his mayoral promises on taxes, spending, crime, welfare, and quality of life, why would he break his presidential promises on such a signature GOP issue? What kind of bait and switch do Giulianis foes truly worry he will attempt?
The contrast between Giuliani and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton, meanwhile, could not be sharper. She would appoint pro-abortion justices and lower-court judges. These jurists also would be softer on crime, racial preferences, unions, and eminent-domain abuse than Giulianis would be.
Hillary Clinton also would take President Bushs embryonic stem-cell program and expand it in every direction. If Giuliani does not padlock it, he at least would be more sympathetic than Clinton to privatizing it. If America must banish embryos to Petri dishes, let Lilly, Merck, and Pfizer do this. It is inconceivable that Hillary Clinton would shift anything from Washington to the private sector, especially Americas greedy, wicked pharmaceutical companies.
Religious Right leaders should study Giulianis entire socially conservative record, not just the socially liberal caricature of it that hostile commentators and lazy journalists keep sketching. Giulianis October 20 appearance before the Family Research Council will permit exactly that. Also, while Giuliani may not be their dream contender, social conservatives should not make the perfect the enemy of the outstanding. Ultimately, they should recognize that a pro-life, third-party candidate would subtract votes from Giuliani in November 2008.
That would raise the curtain on a 3-D horror epic for social conservatives: The Clintons Reconquer Washington bigger, badder, and more vindictive than ever.
And for my conscience's sake, I could even decide that a Democrat presidency is a small price to pay to preserve my steadfast loyalty to my principles and beliefs.
But a HILLARY presidency? No. The damage to my country would be too great. In eight years, a Hillary presidency with a Democrat congress could insure that there will never be a Republican government for as long as this nation can endure.
And what kind of Republican governnment do we have now??????
Rooty toots will keep on trying. I guess it is all parts of NO, that they don’t understand.
I believe those who will not vote Rooty have gotten tired of arguing about it and are going to hang on to their principles.
No is No.
No, it’s not.
Rudy is right on attitude, but wrong on NEARLY EVERYTHING else.
He will do for the National GOP what ‘ol Pataki did for the GOP of New York—totally destroy the organization and leave NOTHING behind.
There are better candidates—let’s pick one.
“And what kind of Republican governnment do we have now??????”
Think I don’t see that? But where do these rhetorical questions lead us...to a Hillary debacle? Think I don’t wrestle with this?
I dunno. Maybe it’s weakness on my part, but a Hillary presidency, and it’s long-term implications on the type of country the United States could become under her thumb, scares me too much to stay home or vote third party.
THE PRIMARIES HAVE A PURPOSE!!!
Vote your priciples in the primaries!!!!!
IF you have to make tough choices in the General election, worry about that latter!!!!
Giuliani? Why, you would not vote for good `ol Rudy?
Do you mean the strong talking / good delivery / charismatic / strong in the "polls" Rudy?
Perhaps this Rudith?
Maybe this one?
How about `ol Stonwall Rudi?
New York City 2001 Gay Pride Parade It was less than three months before the unknowing and horrific September 11th, 2001, attacks (that's two) on New York City, that N.Y.C. Mayor Rudy Giuliani hosted his "8th Annual Gay Pride Celebration" at Gracie Mansion in Manhattan, New York. It was held on Thursday, June 21, 2001, and for the first time, at the perennial urging of S.V.A. President Williamson Henderson, and a few others, it was held not as an early morning breakfast but as an evening cocktail party.
Actually, I think it is a load of hot air that rudy tootsie is even close to being "the only one that can beat the hildabeast." Consider that a bit of education to the public regarding her now full blown communism would make her a liability to the libs and a target for a campaign that reveals her true nature. Step one would be to quit referring to her as a "Democrat" and only refer to her as a communist. And get that message out in the form of her quotes on forums other than this one.
But back to the subject. We must run Rudy tootsie to beat hildabeast? Na, we can do better than that.
Although I cannot envision myself supporting Guliani, I can see one possible silver lining if he’s elected US Pres.
Perhaps, just perhaps, he will be sooo aware of the right’s distrust and resentment of him that he will go overboard and support (even more than a REAL conservative) all conservative initiatives.
Perhaps, just perhaps, he WOULD nominate pro-Life judges, and perhaps he would steer clear of all legislation that would boost nationalized health care, forced PC homosexual education, etc.
Sometimes, as has occurred with Pres GWB, so-called conservatives feel they need to ‘reach out’ to the leftist loonies just to make friends.
But Rudy perhaps already has the lib GOP and some wackadoodle Dems in his pocket.
Thus he just might push the REAL conservative agenda even harder just to prove he’s not a smooshy liberal. (Hey, I can dream, can’t I?)
If elected, Hillary will probably have at least two years with a compliant Congress to advance her Soros socialist agenda. I would vote for almost anyone, even Ron Paul, to keep Hillary, Soros and all the rest of the Clinton crime family from sticking it to us.
I’m not got to bash Rudy beyond saying “2nd Amendment, abortion, NY sanctuary city,” and would vote for him over sHrillary, but I’d prefer ANY of the other GOP candidates besides ron paul...
Thanks for posting some of Rooty’s “qualifications”.
I am sure the Clinton camp has a nice national ad in the works to inform the uninformed.
It would be better to not dream. Think about reality.
>>>Giulianis pro-family/anti-abortion ideas, his socially conservative mayoral record, and his popularity among churchgoing Republicans.<<<<
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ::gasps::, hee, hee, hee, hee, hee, ::snorts::, hee, hee, ha, ha, hee, ::falls on floor::
This "Rudiphilia" ignores three key factors: Giuliani's abortion agnosticism, his totalitarian mayoral record, and his opposition among the Republican base.
Rudy's supporters need to stop flinging "but he's good on _this_" at the opposition, and start addressing the critical issues which are consistently driving away enough of the base that he won't get elected.
Giuliani is the only one that can defeat Hillary.
Nominate Rudy, get Hillary.
Ya gotta find someone else that doesn't look like a flaming leftist to a very large part of the right wing.
Seriously, if a candidate would do well on the Democratic ticket (which Rudy would), we don't want him.
>>>>I can see one possible silver lining if hes elected US Pres
Silver lining? Like what? The Stonewallers get age of consent laws banished to victimize our children?
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