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No one's perfect, so we have to choose the best (Dobson wrong about '08)
The Holland Sentinel ^ | October 15, 2007 | Alan Helvig

Posted on 10/15/2007 7:56:21 AM PDT by BigAlPro

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To: malos

97%?!?!?

You failed math, didn’t you? Or did you first hear the name Rudy Giuliani yesterday?


21 posted on 10/15/2007 8:28:38 AM PDT by TitansAFC ("My 80% enemy is not my 20% friend" -- Common Sense)
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To: BigAlPro

This is a good article. I personally have been influenced by it. Thank you for posting.


22 posted on 10/15/2007 8:28:45 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: BigAlPro

hopefully it won’t come to this (Hillary vs. Rudy) but this article does make a could point about how you can/should still vote for the lesser of 2 evils.


23 posted on 10/15/2007 8:28:55 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: TitansAFC

I would love to respond. If I knew what you were talking about.


24 posted on 10/15/2007 8:31:05 AM PDT by malos
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To: MEGoody
Dobson is in favor of an amendment to the constitution that protects unborn children versus turning it back to the states. He probably thinks (and rightly so) that if it is turned back to the states, it will likely remain legal.

As we all know, Fred is in favor of turning it back to the states.

And that's the problem with many conservatives...they too prefer to ignore the constitution in favor of pushing their views on the masses at the federal level.

Turning it back to the states is a possible step forward. A nation-wide ban is NOT going to happen.

25 posted on 10/15/2007 8:31:49 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton

You don’t understand. Its all or nothing. Unless we get everything we get Hillary.


26 posted on 10/15/2007 8:34:02 AM PDT by malos
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To: LiteKeeper
The local postition is "conviction", not "pride". I would submit to them and to you that "conviction" and "principle" can become a source of pride. In this case, Dobson seems to be saying to God, "I trust you and I give it all over to you, Lord... Unless you force me to choose between Rudy and Hillary. And if that happens, I'm not voting."

As stated in the article, the answer lies in the Primary. Pro-lifers have to make sure Rudy is not the GOP candidate in 2008.

27 posted on 10/15/2007 8:34:03 AM PDT by BigAlPro (It's time to flush the toilet of political corruption in Washington)
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To: BibChr

If you only have 1 issue that you vote for and that’s the only thing you care about then yes stay home. BUT if there are other issues you care about then you should still vote.

But even then I’d bet Rudy’s judges wouldn’t be as bad as Hillary’s. So by not voting you are giving abortion rights advocates a leg up.


28 posted on 10/15/2007 8:34:04 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton

There is a time for teaching your party lessons, and a time for going with the nominated primary candidate. Next year will be a watershed year - Republicans can choose to teach their party a lesson (again) and risk putting our military staff, our free internet, our basic values at terrible risk of another Clinton presidency, or we can go ahead and be united in our vote against a democrat during wartime and work for the future to raise up a viable candidate for 2012...


29 posted on 10/15/2007 8:35:00 AM PDT by princess leah
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To: for-q-clinton

I think I understand your point.

But you see, you still haven’t answered my questions.

So far, nobody has.


30 posted on 10/15/2007 8:36:03 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: princess leah
Good points.

Michigan voters decided to teach the Republicans a lesson and now they are paying for it in more ways than one. Unfortunately, it will be a long, painful and expensive lesson.

31 posted on 10/15/2007 8:41:11 AM PDT by BigAlPro (It's time to flush the toilet of political corruption in Washington)
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To: malos

Amen. I am sick of every election being a litmus test on choice. Abortion is legal—does not make it right but legal. People like Dobson need to get off their high horse and work to change people’s feelings on abortion by preaching, running pro-life commericals,etc.

People like Dobson would force his beliefs on everyone if they got the power. No dancing, no drinking, no smoking, no birth control for women, etc.

I am against abortion, but it is a personal choice not the law of some intolerant law.


32 posted on 10/15/2007 8:41:44 AM PDT by lone star annie
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To: BibChr
So far, nobody has.

Hmmm...kind of tough to answer that though. As all elections have another person running (at least in the Pres. election). So if the choice is between less evil vs. more evil...I guess I'll vote less evil.

Let's take abortion since it's the topic at hand. If Rudy wanted to increase abortions and thought it was the best way to improve the lot of poor people. And Hillary just wanted to leave it as an option but would fund programs to help reduce the amount of them...then yes I'd stay home. The reason being i that the guy I agree with on most issues is more wrong on the most important issue. but if he's got the same view as Hillary or a little bit less extreme view...then I'd still vote for him.

33 posted on 10/15/2007 8:43:27 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: BigAlPro

This third party stuff is a big fat straw man. Dobson isn’t promoting a third party. He just said he PERSONALLY will either not vote or vote for a third party if any of the current candidates are nominated. Maybe I missed it. Is Christian Conservative of any national stature trying to start a third party?


34 posted on 10/15/2007 8:43:58 AM PDT by DManA
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To: TitansAFC
I think Rudy911 is just the Fiscal Cons’ way of “punishing” the SoCons and Second Amendment folks.

Which is crazy because most social conservatives are economic conservatives and opposed all the spending the Republicans were doing.

What these fiscal conservatives, apparently, are too stupid realize is that Giuliani isn't on their side. He is a liberal, period. Social liberal Republicans almost always end up being fiscal liberals when reach office. And, Giuliani has a track record of huge spending and opposition to the Presidential line item veto while in New York.

Alienating any faction of the Republican base is disaster. But, alienating virtually the entire base over several years is the surest way to have a Watergate-like meltdown.

35 posted on 10/15/2007 8:44:27 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: DManA

I meant - Is ANY Conservative Christian with any national stature trying to start a third party?


36 posted on 10/15/2007 8:44:50 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

If you don’t vote D or R, whoever you vote for is third party. is it not? I didn’t say Dobson wanted to start a third party.


37 posted on 10/15/2007 8:48:12 AM PDT by malos
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To: for-q-clinton

I do understand that reasoning, but it still isn’t my point. So I guess I have to get hypothetical. Note: these aren’t asked pugnaciously, I really am going somewhere with it.

So, if both candidates favored legalizing rape, you’d vote for the GOP candidate?

If both favored legalizing child molestation, you’d vote for the GOP candidate?

If both favored giving all power to the imams in Iran, you’d vote for the GOP candidate?


38 posted on 10/15/2007 8:48:38 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Ol' Sparky
Fred's idea to send it to the states makes him the best candidate. he gets it. Not only should this be a state issue so should just about all other issues at the federal level (like education, welfare, death penalty, etc...)

Get the feds out of our daily life. Let me choose a state than I'm comfortable with and live with the consequences. Many people are liberal locally but conservative at a federal level. They don't mind paying taxes if it helps improve their roads, schools, crime rate...but paying it to help California deal with their liberal policies on illegal immigrants rubs most conservatives raw.

the only way to fix this is to send this garbage back to the states. We need to change the mindset...the battle should not be at the federal level to shove your ideas down your neighbor's throat...that's what local/state politics are for.

39 posted on 10/15/2007 8:50:44 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: rep-always
I refuse to turn my country over to a democrat president

Why would you think turning the party over to a liberal Republican like Schwarzenegger (which Giuliani is) would be better than turning over to a Democrat?

It would be worse, guaranteeing eight years without a conservative in the White House and guaranteeing no chance of the GOP regaining Congress.

As proven by Schwarzenegger, the same liberal legislation ends up getting passed when a liberal Republican is in office. In fact, at a national level, it is easier for a liberal Republican than liberal Democrat to pass such legislation.

40 posted on 10/15/2007 8:54:34 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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