Posted on 10/15/2007 7:56:21 AM PDT by BigAlPro
97%?!?!?
You failed math, didn’t you? Or did you first hear the name Rudy Giuliani yesterday?
This is a good article. I personally have been influenced by it. Thank you for posting.
hopefully it won’t come to this (Hillary vs. Rudy) but this article does make a could point about how you can/should still vote for the lesser of 2 evils.
I would love to respond. If I knew what you were talking about.
As we all know, Fred is in favor of turning it back to the states.
And that's the problem with many conservatives...they too prefer to ignore the constitution in favor of pushing their views on the masses at the federal level.
Turning it back to the states is a possible step forward. A nation-wide ban is NOT going to happen.
You don’t understand. Its all or nothing. Unless we get everything we get Hillary.
As stated in the article, the answer lies in the Primary. Pro-lifers have to make sure Rudy is not the GOP candidate in 2008.
If you only have 1 issue that you vote for and that’s the only thing you care about then yes stay home. BUT if there are other issues you care about then you should still vote.
But even then I’d bet Rudy’s judges wouldn’t be as bad as Hillary’s. So by not voting you are giving abortion rights advocates a leg up.
There is a time for teaching your party lessons, and a time for going with the nominated primary candidate. Next year will be a watershed year - Republicans can choose to teach their party a lesson (again) and risk putting our military staff, our free internet, our basic values at terrible risk of another Clinton presidency, or we can go ahead and be united in our vote against a democrat during wartime and work for the future to raise up a viable candidate for 2012...
I think I understand your point.
But you see, you still haven’t answered my questions.
So far, nobody has.
Michigan voters decided to teach the Republicans a lesson and now they are paying for it in more ways than one. Unfortunately, it will be a long, painful and expensive lesson.
Amen. I am sick of every election being a litmus test on choice. Abortion is legal—does not make it right but legal. People like Dobson need to get off their high horse and work to change people’s feelings on abortion by preaching, running pro-life commericals,etc.
People like Dobson would force his beliefs on everyone if they got the power. No dancing, no drinking, no smoking, no birth control for women, etc.
I am against abortion, but it is a personal choice not the law of some intolerant law.
Hmmm...kind of tough to answer that though. As all elections have another person running (at least in the Pres. election). So if the choice is between less evil vs. more evil...I guess I'll vote less evil.
Let's take abortion since it's the topic at hand. If Rudy wanted to increase abortions and thought it was the best way to improve the lot of poor people. And Hillary just wanted to leave it as an option but would fund programs to help reduce the amount of them...then yes I'd stay home. The reason being i that the guy I agree with on most issues is more wrong on the most important issue. but if he's got the same view as Hillary or a little bit less extreme view...then I'd still vote for him.
This third party stuff is a big fat straw man. Dobson isn’t promoting a third party. He just said he PERSONALLY will either not vote or vote for a third party if any of the current candidates are nominated. Maybe I missed it. Is Christian Conservative of any national stature trying to start a third party?
Which is crazy because most social conservatives are economic conservatives and opposed all the spending the Republicans were doing.
What these fiscal conservatives, apparently, are too stupid realize is that Giuliani isn't on their side. He is a liberal, period. Social liberal Republicans almost always end up being fiscal liberals when reach office. And, Giuliani has a track record of huge spending and opposition to the Presidential line item veto while in New York.
Alienating any faction of the Republican base is disaster. But, alienating virtually the entire base over several years is the surest way to have a Watergate-like meltdown.
I meant - Is ANY Conservative Christian with any national stature trying to start a third party?
If you don’t vote D or R, whoever you vote for is third party. is it not? I didn’t say Dobson wanted to start a third party.
I do understand that reasoning, but it still isn’t my point. So I guess I have to get hypothetical. Note: these aren’t asked pugnaciously, I really am going somewhere with it.
So, if both candidates favored legalizing rape, you’d vote for the GOP candidate?
If both favored legalizing child molestation, you’d vote for the GOP candidate?
If both favored giving all power to the imams in Iran, you’d vote for the GOP candidate?
Get the feds out of our daily life. Let me choose a state than I'm comfortable with and live with the consequences. Many people are liberal locally but conservative at a federal level. They don't mind paying taxes if it helps improve their roads, schools, crime rate...but paying it to help California deal with their liberal policies on illegal immigrants rubs most conservatives raw.
the only way to fix this is to send this garbage back to the states. We need to change the mindset...the battle should not be at the federal level to shove your ideas down your neighbor's throat...that's what local/state politics are for.
Why would you think turning the party over to a liberal Republican like Schwarzenegger (which Giuliani is) would be better than turning over to a Democrat?
It would be worse, guaranteeing eight years without a conservative in the White House and guaranteeing no chance of the GOP regaining Congress.
As proven by Schwarzenegger, the same liberal legislation ends up getting passed when a liberal Republican is in office. In fact, at a national level, it is easier for a liberal Republican than liberal Democrat to pass such legislation.
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