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GEP'S LOBBYING WAS A TURKEY (Dick Gephardt couldn't get Pelosi to withdraw resolution support)
NY Post ^ | 10/13/07 | Robert Novak

Posted on 10/15/2007 3:52:24 PM PDT by Libloather

GEP'S LOBBYING WAS A TURKEY

October 13, 2007 -- FORMER Majority Leader Dick Gephardt, a registered lobbyist for Turkey, failed several months ago to get his successor as top House Democrat, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, to withdraw her support from a long-pending resolution condemning alleged Turkish genocide of Armenians in 1915.

The Bush administration had urged Congress not to offend Turkey, a U.S. ally, but the measure passed the House Foreign Affairs Committee Wednesday. Pelosi has pledged House action this year on the genocide resolution that in the past was blocked by Dennis Hastert, her Republican predecessor as speaker.

In addition to Gephardt, the Turkish government also hired a top Republican lobbyist: Bob Livingston, former chairman of the House Appropriations Committee.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; gephardt; pelosi; resolution; turkey

September 6, 2003--Rep. Gephardt spoke at the 100th anniversary celebration of the Teamsters.
1 posted on 10/15/2007 3:52:31 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

If Dick Gephardt asked you anything, would you do it?

Answers that question - explains why he was on a losing ticket as a presidential hopeful. Way back in the day, yep, yep.


2 posted on 10/15/2007 3:55:45 PM PDT by Sword_Svalbardt (Sword Svalbardt)
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To: Libloather

Wasn’t Gephart all for this notion back in the day,,,,oh wait, that was BEFORE he left and started working for Turkey.


3 posted on 10/15/2007 3:55:45 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (HEY JORGE, SHUT UP AND BUILD THE BLEEPING FENCE, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.)
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To: Libloather

If Dick Gephardt asked you anything, would you do it?

Answers that question - explains why he was on a losing ticket as a presidential hopeful. Way back in the day, yep, yep.


4 posted on 10/15/2007 3:55:56 PM PDT by Sword_Svalbardt (Sword Svalbardt)
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To: Libloather
Democrat Congress: UnAmerican, unserious, seditious, and saboteurs.
5 posted on 10/15/2007 3:58:07 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Sword_Svalbardt
“If Dick Gephardt asked you anything, would you do it?”

Yes. Absolutely. That is, IF I was one of Dick’s famous imaginary friends...

6 posted on 10/15/2007 3:59:55 PM PDT by Leo Farnsworth
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To: Sword_Svalbardt
“If Dick Gephardt asked you anything, would you do it?”

Yes. Absolutely. That is, IF I was one of Dick’s famous imaginary friends...

7 posted on 10/15/2007 3:59:56 PM PDT by Leo Farnsworth
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To: Leo Farnsworth

See what Dick’s Dick’s imaginary friends do, do?

Sorry.


8 posted on 10/15/2007 4:01:10 PM PDT by Leo Farnsworth
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To: Leo Farnsworth

Imagine that...:~)


9 posted on 10/15/2007 4:01:20 PM PDT by Sword_Svalbardt (Sword Svalbardt)
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To: Sword_Svalbardt
Brit's panel waa discussing this resolution.

Seems when Clinton was in office he begged Denny Hassert to not bring it up for a vote because it would undermined foreign policy with Turkey.

Now with us at war and Turkey a strategic allie, Pelosi is going to let it come up for a vote.

10 posted on 10/15/2007 4:06:38 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs....doing the job of the media.)
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To: mware

Just think, the liberals in power, and they want NATO to side with them, and they just irked the Turks.

Nancy, now what?

Nancy: Spank me, pleeez!


11 posted on 10/15/2007 4:19:57 PM PDT by Sword_Svalbardt (Sword Svalbardt)
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To: Libloather

I never thought I’d say “good for Pelosi,” but...

Good for Pelosi.


12 posted on 10/15/2007 4:20:04 PM PDT by tabsternager
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To: tabsternager
tab,, we all know that genocide took place in Turkey under the Ottoman Empire. This is about under minding our troops. We need that base in Turkey and we need the flyover that they give us so we can get supplies to our troops in Iraq.
13 posted on 10/15/2007 4:24:08 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs....doing the job of the media.)
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To: mware

I’ve said this before and I’ll repeat it:

The present secular Turkish government needs our support far more than we need theirs. How long do you think it would be for that government to be overrun with jihadists were it not for U.S. support? I believe not very long.

I personally don’t care if they’re “offended” by a resolution that simply acknowledges an historical fact. It’s just a resolution in memory of those who died because they were the “infidel.” That’s all it is and it’s the right thing to do.


14 posted on 10/15/2007 4:39:15 PM PDT by tabsternager
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To: tabsternager

Just as long as you know that this resolution may cost American soldiers their lives.


15 posted on 10/15/2007 4:44:46 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs....doing the job of the media.)
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To: tabsternager
There are quite a few men and women in Iraq that I taught as 5th and 7th graders. I do not want to see they die because Pelosi can not see two feet ahead of herself politically.
16 posted on 10/15/2007 4:47:29 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs....doing the job of the media.)
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To: tabsternager

How many more times do you suppose this resolution will be brought up? Every time the RATS need a diversion for whatever political reason? And why is the United States involved in this anyway? Are we to pass endless resolutions going back how many centuries to address wrongs that do not involve us? Steny Hoyer made your point yesterday when Brit Hume was trying to get him to give a coherent reason for the timing of this proposal. Hoyer said Turkey needs us more than we need them. My answer to that is how many American troops have to suffer and die because of such arrogance? Playing political games with the lives of our troops and at the expense of our own country is treasonous as I see it.


17 posted on 10/15/2007 4:57:47 PM PDT by mountainfolk (God Bless President Bush)
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To: mware
Now with us at war and Turkey a strategic allie, Pelosi is going to let it come up for a vote.

Listen to Rush Limbaugh's speech in Philadelphia last Thursday, and it is so clear WHY!!!

18 posted on 10/15/2007 5:15:02 PM PDT by danamco (Now, I would LOVE to hear your solution as to how to remove 12 to 30 million people from this countr)
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To: tabsternager

Pelosi, and the Democrats, will support anything that’s oppposed to US interests as long as a Repulican is the President. They condemn a vital US ally at the time of war but she refuses to call the mollas’ terrorist soldiers in Iran TERRORISTS:

SPEAKER WON’T DENOUNCE IRAN’S REVOLUTIONARY GUARD

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10152007/news/nationalnews/pelosi__hill_clash.htm


19 posted on 10/15/2007 5:39:37 PM PDT by parisa
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To: tabsternager
I never thought I’d say “good for Pelosi,” but... Good for Pelosi

Naive, ubber-lib or clueless?

The traitorous act whose goal is to undermine the WOT and our troops on the backs of the Armenians: An exercise in pure evil.

How many times must we 'remember'? There's a list of many times this genocide of 90 years ago has been addressed -

This was done now, not out of any concern for the genocide OR the Armenians, but was used as an excuse for undermining the WOT and our troops for personal political gain and to undermine a sitting president in a time of war.

To USE such a tragedy of other people to gain a personal - and traitorous - goal, is Evil personified.

The democrats have shown that genocide only concerns them when it's convenient. Else why did they deliberately turn a deaf ear to the cries for help while the majority of the Rwandan people - 800,000 men, women and children - were being hacked, shot and burned to death? Clinton stood in front of the mike and proclaimed "There is NO genocide happening in Rwanda!" He sent Albright to the UN to repeat the mantra.

For the democrats to pull this stunt now is a dastardly deed on two fronts. It's a treasonous attempt to undermine our troops in a time of war, and put our troops in jeopardy, while using someone else's tragedy to accomplish it. (Get it!)

I would think those who sympathize with the 90 year old genocide, would take umbrage at it being used in this contemptible way.

Those who take up the defense of these traitorous democrats fail to address the REAL TIME genocide Clinton and crew brushed aside.

Such support is either clueless, disingenuous or blatantly in bed with the treasonous and evil perpetrators of this transparent, in-your-face act to disrupt the success that our troops have fought and died for... an act that could disrupt the supply lines that bring food, water and equipment to our troops and ultimately, could cost lives.

A prime motivation for this is to undermine a sitting president in a time of war. If this isn't a seditious act, it certainly rises to the highest level of treason: "1. Treason, sedition means disloyalty or treachery to ones country or its government. Treason is any attempt to overthrow the government or impair the well-being of a state to which one owes allegiance; the crime of giving aid or comfort to the enemies of ones government. "

To defend this act as anything other than a political power play on the backs of both the Armenians and our troops is to lie in bed with the dogs - we are not fooled.

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P.S. I have a grandson, Airborne Task Force, in the Korengal Valley (The Valley of Fire), Kunar Province, Afghanistan. They are under daily fire and almost nightly mortared. They are 45 minutes from the nearest running water...45 minutes of deadly roads. Their very lives are dependent upon supplies and especially the equipment that helps detect and detonate IEDs. These supplies and equipment come via Turkey air and ground.

One cannot support the Pelosi gang in this and support our troops and our country. No fence straddle on this one.

You may not be concerned over what can happen to our troops - but I am.

20 posted on 10/15/2007 6:01:54 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: mware

“Just as long as you know that this resolution may cost American soldiers their lives.”

Of course, I care if that were the case.

But because there have always been “good reasons” for killing that resolution every time it’s been brought up (and long before 9/11), I just don’t believe the latest “good reason.”


21 posted on 10/15/2007 6:05:29 PM PDT by tabsternager
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To: parisa

I have no doubt that some of the Democrats have an agenda. But that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a long overdue resolution.

If Germany had always denied the Holocaust and a resolution came up year after year but killed every time because we “mustn’t offend the German government” with a resolution acknowledging that the Holocaust did, in fact, happen, I think you might have a different opinion.


22 posted on 10/15/2007 6:11:26 PM PDT by tabsternager
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To: tabsternager
have no doubt that some of the Democrats have an agenda. But that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a long overdue resolution.

If you have sympathy for the Armenians on this issue, then you should be incensed that the Pelosi gang is using them purely for their own political and personal power gain. (They do not give a rats rump about what happened a century ago, perpetrated by the long gone Ottoman Empire.)

One cannot support the Pelosi gang in this and support our troops and our country. No fence straddle on this one. What IS, IS.

23 posted on 10/15/2007 6:19:09 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: tabsternager

Geppie looks like you are going to be in the middle of Pelosi WAR.


24 posted on 10/15/2007 6:19:41 PM PDT by jocko12
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To: maine-iac7

I have to check the information but I understand from Glenn Beck’s show, that an armenian priest is actually opposed to this resolution.


25 posted on 10/15/2007 6:24:59 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs....doing the job of the media.)
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To: mware
I have to check the information but I understand from Glenn Beck’s show, that an armenian priest is actually opposed to this resolution.

Would you get back to us on this? That would be valuable...

Thanks in advance.

The media has a formula that they follow on deciding which news to cover. It comes down to simple numbers. If they get x amount of emails, phone calls, snail mail on a subject, they will cover it whether they want to or not, as they know when a story hits that tipping point, it WILL be covered by the other media...

We need to freep them big time - AND all our reps in DC, that we are not fooled by this seditious act.If the rest of the reps in DC "understand that we understand" then they may get the backbone to defeat it when it comes up for vote on the floor.

This is one time we can actively help our troops

26 posted on 10/15/2007 6:50:25 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: tabsternager
Everyone involved with this event is dead. Long dead.

The turks of years past were barbaric. But the Turks of today are trying to hold their own as a secular democracy. What good does it do anyone to have the Congress pass a resolution to antagonize our nation's good relations with it's current government?

Currently so much of the resources being used in Iraq by the US military comes through Turkey. Supplies are delivered by Turkish truck drivers. Turkey is, though not perfect, a model nation compared to those to the south.

What good does this do us to bring it up now? Why would any Armenians even CARE that the US is doing this? Are Armenians somehow better off if the US mission in Iraq fails?

27 posted on 10/15/2007 8:43:49 PM PDT by mbraynard (Tagline changed due to admin request)
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To: Sword_Svalbardt

Compared to Democrats of today, he really wasn’t all that bad a guy. He had some measure of patriotism in him.


28 posted on 10/15/2007 8:45:12 PM PDT by mbraynard (Tagline changed due to admin request)
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To: mbraynard

The current Democratic party is the party of Treason.


29 posted on 10/15/2007 8:49:05 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Search for Folding Project - Join FR Team 36120)
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To: mbraynard

“Why would any Armenians even CARE that the US is doing this?”

If most of your ancestors were murdered in a genocide that the world ignored and the ancestors who did survive were labeled “combatants” or “anti-muslim” as though they brought it on themselves, you might feel a little differently.

The resolution will probably be killed again because the powers that be are so dead against it.

BTW, notice that Bush was quick to call (rightly so) Darfur a “genocide.” The double standard is what bothers Americans of Armenian descent. There’s a book entitled “Forgotten Fire” that pretty much expresses it.


30 posted on 10/16/2007 6:11:28 AM PDT by tabsternager
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To: tabsternager
If most of your ancestors were murdered in a genocide that the world ignored and the ancestors who did survive were labeled “combatants” or “anti-muslim” as though they brought it on themselves, you might feel a little differently.

They were, actually.

But I don't know who they are and the people who did it are long dead. As an American, I would not want it to be brought up at the expense of the nation's foreign policy and the WOT.

Darfur is now. The people doing it are here now.

The people who perpetrated the Armenian massacres are long DEAD.

Aren't conservatives suppose to oppose collectivism?

31 posted on 10/16/2007 12:42:39 PM PDT by mbraynard (Tagline changed due to admin request)
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