Skip to comments.Orange County Register columnist: "The Ron Paul Penomenon"
Posted on 10/15/2007 7:20:30 PM PDT by freedomdefender
The Texas congressman is not likely to be president, but his campaign already represents the most significant pro-freedom movement in recent American history. ...
So how did a 72-year-old grandfather who is self-effacing and slender to the point of looking frail on television (he doesn't in person) become the closest thing to a rock star the Republicans have produced, swarmed for autographs at every appearance? Raised in Pittsburgh, Ron Paul attended Duke medical school, served in the Air Force, and began practicing medicine (he's an OB-GYN) near Houston. Along the way he started reading writers like Ludwig von Mises and Friederich von Hayek and became a strong supporter of free-market economics and the gold standard. ...
His practice in Congress has been to ask himself, before each vote, whether this is a program specifically authorized by the Constitution. If the answer is no, he opposes it including funding for NASA when NASA was in his district. This has earned him the nickname, "Dr. No."
...He also believes the income tax should be abolished, government made significantly smaller, and that the Federal Reserve should be abolished, with the country returning to a gold standard rather than printing fiat money. He is staunchly pro-life and seldom misses a chance to denounce the war on drugs, which he believes is unconstitutional.
(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...
Republican politicians hate Ron Paul, because he reminds them of the way they used to sound way back when they had principles. ;)
That really IS the reason.
I’ll take someone who wants to enforce the Constitution, over someone who might have read the same document.
A lot of freepers hate Ron Paul, maybe for the same reason - he reminds them of what real conservatism used to be, before Bush turned conservatism into old-fashioned liberalism.
Actually the entire race appears to be something that you might see on MadTV. Gungrabbing baby killers as front running Republicans... but not really... ‘cause they say so now and of course politicians never lie. The Democrats are now entirely a party of socialist/religious dogma that brooks no dissent and tries to stop the war in Iraq by starting one in Kurdistan. (cuckoo for coocapuffs.)
And it’s been the longest campaign in history. I’m just sick to death of it all already. I’m afraid that by Nov next year I’ll be in a catatonic state and unable to make it to the polls. Maybe I can get Ron Paul to prescribe some meds. Maybe he should give some downers to Joolieanee and Romney too. Those guys just never STFU.
I think I’ll just turn off the TV and radio and listen to Enya and Lisa Gerrard for a month. Make fists in the carpet with my toes? That might help.
Real conservatism is NOT libertarianism.
Same thing you liberals said about Goldwater in 64, and Reagan when he was running for governor of Cal in 66 - and for president in 80. They were "kooks," the liberals said.
“represents the most significant pro-freedom movement in recent American history...”
Except for the freedom of other people who actually live under oppressive governments, of course.
over someone who might have read the same document.
Why would they read it when they have teams of lawyers (some themselves are too) who would dissect that “just a piece of paper” till it fit the outcome they were looking for. Thanks but no thanks.
True but it's much closer to libertarianism than what the Pubbies are trying to sell us now. I can just imagine what Sam Adams would have to say about the Pubbies and their filthy "No Child Left Undrugged" Act. I'm afraid that they'd riddle anyone with musketballs who even breathed a suggestion about national ID cards.
Real conservatism is not George Bush-style massive deficit spending, open borders, endless borrowing from the Chinese, and federal snooping on phone calls without warrants. Just wait till it's Hillary's people using these snooping powers that Bush has created. When Hillary's at the helm, you might start regretting your departure from conservative principles when you applauded Bush's massive expansion of federal power and federal spending and federal snooping.
Give me the kook candidate because the last few presidents that were suppose to be sane have made some insane decisions and are costing us dearly now and in the our future.
>Gungrabbing baby killers as front running Republicans... but
>not really... cause they say so now and of course politicians
Note my tagline.
The U.S. is not the worlds police force, nor should it be.
Otherwise, we'd be attacking half the countries of the world right now.
So, you want us to invade every country with an oppressive government? We'll need to tax Americans at 100 percent rates to afford that. And borrow even more from the Chinese than Bush is already doing. Of course, the Chinese are one of the most oppressive governments going, so I suppose you want us to invade them first? Oh, you don't? In that case, you hold the same view as Ron Paul - who doesn't favor foreign invasions.
I suppose Ron Paul could get a Cabinet position when Duncan Hunters wins the White House.
Except that Kucinich is for big spending - while Ron Paul is for smaller government. Kucinich is for high taxes, Ron Paul wants to abolish the income tax. Kucinich is for socialized medicine; Ron Paul is for free enterprise and private medicine. Kucinich is for abortion. Ron Paul is pro-life. Kucinich is pro-gay "rights"; Ron Paul is pro-family. If that makes Ron Paul a "kook," then you really are a liberal.
Been wondering where the Stenchhippies were all weekend. Someone lifted up a rock and here they are.
Paragraphs are your friends.
When I post that Fred gadget, paragraphs go away quicker than a hippy when I wave a bar of soap! Any suggestions how to solve that?
I like your tagline.
" National Security The first responsibility of government is to protect the American people, the homeland, and our way of life. Today we face the urgent threat of radical Islamic terrorists. Al Qaeda is committed to attacking us here at home, and wants to use weapons of mass destruction (WMD) to kill millions. We must never give them that opportunity.
We must defeat the terrorists abroad, and that begins in Iraq and Afghanistan ; the central fronts in this global war. We must show the world we have the will to fight and win. A weakened America - or an America that appears weaker - will only encourage further attacks. We must persevere. As Commander-in-Chief, the president must ensure the United States has the means to achieve victory. Presidential leadership requires talking to the American people about these stakes, mapping out a clear vision for success, and devising a comprehensive strategy for achieving it. I am committed to: A larger, more capable, and more modern military that can defeat terrorists, deter adversaries, and defend the U.S. and our interests.
A missile defense system that can protect the U.S. and our allies from long-range ballistic missiles. An enhanced intelligence community, with robust human-intelligence capabilities, focused on terrorism and proliferation. A robust approach to homeland security that will protect our nation from terrorists and WMD, regardless of where they come from. A strengthened system of global alliances to better combat terrorists, proliferators, and traditional threats to our interests.
A judicial system that deals with the realities of terrorists and unlawful enemy combatants. Federal Budget and Spending/Budgetary Reform In a few short yearsnot a generation from nowa fiscal tsunami that could imperil our security and economic prosperity will hit our nation and place an unfair burden of debt on our children and grandchildren. The tens of trillions of dollars in debt that will be accumulated over the next few decades will do immense harm to our economy.
This burden is now estimated at $170,000 per person and $440,000 per family. Time is running out to address this looming crisis. We need market-based approaches to reform that guarantee benefits for those who need them and embrace personal responsibility and cost-effectiveness without raising taxes. Given the scope and urgency of this problem, and the burden it will place on our children, reform is not only an economic necessity, it is a moral imperative that requires action now. I am committed to: Opening the governments fiscal books on this looming crisis for all to see and understand. Working with individuals of all political persuasions to develop a comprehensive solution to the pending fiscal crisis.
Leading and making the hard choices necessary, to include cutting wasteful government spending, to safeguard our security, promote our prosperity, and protect our children and grandchildren from fiscal calamity. Tax Reform The U.S. tax code is broken and a burden on U.S. taxpayers and businesses, large and small. Todays tax code is particularly hostile to savings and investment, and it shows. To make matters worse, its complexity is a drag on our productivity and economic growth. Moreover, taxpayers spend billions of dollars and untold hours each year filling out complicated tax returns, just so they can send more money to Washington, much of it for wasteful programs and the pet projects of special interests.
We need lower taxes, and we need to let taxpayers keep more of their hard-earned dollarsthey know best where and how to spend them. And we need to make the system simpler and fairer for all. To ensure Americas long term prosperity and economic security, I am committed to: Fundamental tax reform built on the principles of simplicity, fairness, and growth. A new tax code that gets the government out of our citizens pocketbooks, while enhancing U.S. competitiveness abroad.
Dissolution of the IRS as we know it. Healthcare Americans have the best healthcare in the world. Some, however, choose not be insured; others cannot afford it. Every American should be able to get health insurance coverage that is affordable, fully accessible, and portable. Coverage should meet their individual needs and put them in control. Those who propose a one-size-fits-all Washington-controlled program ignore the cost, inefficiency, and inadequate care that such a system offers. Access to affordable, portable health care can be made available for all Americans without imposing new mandates or raising taxes.
Current government programs must also be streamlined and improved so that those who truly need help can get the health care they need. I am committed to a healthcare system that: Realigns programs and creates a system around individual consumers and patients by providing more information and more opportunities to choose affordable health care options that best meet their needs and those of their families. Improves the individual health of all Americans by shifting to a system that promotes cost-effective prevention, chronic-care management, and personal responsibility Modernizes delivery and administration of care by encouraging the widespread use of clinical best practices, medical information technology, and other innovations.
Increases competition and consumer choice while streamlining regulations through free-market solutions that benefit individuals and reduce costs for employers. Promotes and speeds medical research and life-sciences innovation. Government Effectiveness Our government is outdated, inefficient, and wasteful. It is often unable to perform even the most basic tasks our citizens expect. It is no longer enough just to want limited government; the American people deserve more effective government.
Given todays challenges, we cannot affordand shouldnt acceptanything less than a nimble, effective, and efficient government that is able to focus its resources on the important issues facing our country. It must be able act on behalf of the American people and our national interests in a timely manner. The key to competent government is strong, committed leadership from the top.
The key to good government is good people who are well-managed and put the national interest first. I am committed to: Attracting and rewarding the best Americans to serve in government and ensuring they have the authority and resources needed to get the job done. Fixing government accounting so tax dollars are properly spent and the American people know exactly what they are being spent on. Improving government performance by making agencies accountable for accomplishing their missions on time and within budget.
Ensuring information technology systems are secure and that they give our government the capacity and effectiveness to get the job done. Building Strong Families Strong families are the bedrock of our nation and our culture. They are built around the sanctity of life and the institution of marriage, which is the union of a man and a woman. To counter coarseness in todays culture that oftentimes victimizes our children and undermines the traditional values parents want to instill, we must not only protect but strengthen the institutions of family and marriage.
I am committed to: Using the Presidency to encourage policies that promote a culture of life, strengthen the institution of marriage and traditional families, and advance freedom of religion. Returning authority to the levels of government closest to families and communitiesthe statesand then protecting states from further intrusion by the federal government, the judiciary, and other states. Combating the spread of obscenity over TV and other media by making sure parents can better exercise their responsibilities. Immigration The United States is a nation of immigrants. Throughout our history, legal immigrants have brought energy, ideas, strength, and diversity to our country, our economy, and our culture. This must continue. But in the post-9/11 world, immigration is more of a national security issue. A government that cannot secure its borders and determine who may enter and who may not, abrogates a fundamental responsibility. I am committed to: Securing our borders and enforcing immigration laws. Amnesty is not an option and the toleration of sanctuary cities must end.
Reviewing our immigration laws and policies to ensure they advance our national interests. Uniting Americans by welcoming legal immigrants willing to learn English, assimilate into our communities, and become productive citizens. Education A well-educated citizenry is vital to our security, our economy, and our democracy. Despite the tens of billions of dollars spent on education by Washington each year, and the hundreds of federal education programs now in place, our children are still falling behind, particularly in subjects crucial to the global economy in which we live. At a time when America is behind other developed countries in education excellence, the federal role in education is too intrusive and too bureaucratic, and has become part of the problem.
State and local governments are closest to the parents, the kids, and the schools, and best situated to implement changes and innovations that best educate children. I am committed to: Giving parents more choices in education and schools less bureaucracy. Reviewing federal programs for cost-effectiveness, reducing federal mandates, returning education money to the states, and empowering parents by promoting voucher programs, charter schools, and other innovations that enhance education excellence through competition and choice.<[P> Encouraging students and teachers to pursue careers in science, technology, engineering, and mathfields that are crucial to our security, competitiveness, and prosperity. Promoting transparency to assess performance, promote accountability, and share innovations in education at all levels. Appointing Judges Faithful To Our Constitution Activist judges across the country seem intent on legislating from the bench to promote a culture of abortion, redefine marriage, and undermine familiesin effect re-shaping the values of our entire society without the consent of the people. We need judges who recognize their role in our democracy is to interpret, not make, the law. I am committed to: Appointing strict constructionist judges who will interpret the law, not impose their views on us by legislating from the bench. Energy Security
The energy challenges our nation faces today are real and significant. Our dependence on foreign sources of oil threatens our national security and puts our economic prosperity at risk. America must rise to the challenge and take the steps necessary to become more energy independent before this becomes a crisis. No one solution will solve the energy challenges we face; all ideas must be on the table. Greater energy security will enhance our ability to pursue our foreign policy and national security objectives. Increasing our energy independence and investing in alternative energy sources will also produce a healthier environment.
And while we dont know for certain how or why climate change is occurring, it makes sense to take reasonable steps to reduce CO2 emissions without harming our economy. Overall, I am committed to: A balanced approach to energy security that increases domestic supplies, reduces demand for oil and gas, and promotes alternative fuels and other diverse energy sources. Investing in renewable and alternative fuels to promote greater energy independence and a cleaner environment. An energy policy that invests in the advanced technologies of tomorrow and places more emphasis on conservation and energy efficiency.
Conducting research and development into technologies that improve the environment, especially the reduction of CO2 emissions. Second Amendment I strongly support the Second Amendment of the Constitution, which protects an individuals right to keep and bear arms. Gun control is touted as a major crime-control measure. But some of the places with the strictest gun-control laws also have high violent-crime rates. Disarming law-abiding citizens does not prevent crime.
he answer to violent crime is smart, effective, and aggressive law enforcement. The real effect of these gun-control measures is to place onerous restrictions on law-abiding citizens who use firearms for such legal activities as self-defense, sport-shooting, hunting, and collecting. I am committed to: Strictly enforcing existing laws and severely punishing violent criminals. Protecting the rights individual Americans enjoy under the Second Amendment"
My, my, my. Feel better? By the way, just what are similarities between Paul and Kucinich?
Brock = Bock
Penomenon = Phenomenom
What is a penomenon?
That being said, anyone who doesn't see he is a lightweight in understanding the threats that face us with the war against Islamists, is very close to having his head stuck very far up somewhere very dark.
Any conservative or libertarian should know better than to favor RP's positions on this war.
>>>A lot of freepers hate Ron Paul, maybe for the same reason...
Not me. I don’t like him because he is a Log Cabin Republican.
Old capitol city of Cambodia.
I couldn’t read that; I’m sorry..
Please post concise answers if you want debate: and for people to really consider Fred Thompson :0).
Paragraphs would be nice.
This seems to sum up the opposition to Ron Paul on Free Republic. It's a lot easier to call him a name than argue against his positions.
Formatting is our friend...
Sometimes it’s just in the way you present that is just lacking. Paragraphs=friends
Ignoring the so-called war, please list your specific disagreements with Dr. Paul’s domestic positions. Please be brief but specific. “He is an absolute kook...” is not a valid argument, as it lacks any form of thought or contemplation or even basic logic, though it IS what one might expect from many anti-Paulinistas.
Maybe for some, but I don't mind commenting on his stance on isolationism.
I don't think he has the methodology on how we can restore our country. History's clock cannot be set back that far. He has not given us any practical solutions on how to go about getting back to a gold standard. How would he do that?
And how would he go about defeating our current enemy without sending our military abroad? I don't think I want to be receiving pot shots from the enemy from outside our borders for the next fifty years.
Doesn't he think that extra-ordinary warfare must be fought using extra-ordinary methods which require sending our troops and military might abroad? I'm pretty sure if he is elected he'll change his mind very quickly. Especially if he has to walk around using a dosimeter.
My friend who says she’s a democrat also says she wants to do volunteer work for Ron Paul’s campaign, and she says that even her liberal friends support him too. Now, the startling thing is that her and her aforementioned friends live in San Fransisco, so what they call ‘democrat’ everyone else calls ‘ultra-liberal’... I’m surprised at his popularity among that particular population segment.
Does your "liberal" San Francisco friend know that Ron Paul has a 100 percent pro-life voting record? Does she know he's a 100 percent backer of Second Amendment gun ownership rights? Does she know that he wants to eliminate the US Department of Education? Does she know he wants to eliminate the income tax and slash the size of government and the overall tax burden? If your friend knows these things and is supporting Ron Paul, knowing these things, then I would say your friend is not a liberal. These are not liberal positions, they're strong conservative positions.
Hey folks- I’m fairly new here. Can any of the Paulistas or FReepers for that matter tell me why Ron Paul has his own forum here on FR? Do any other candidates? ( It’s called RLC Liberty Caucus.)
You got look up the HTML commands in the sandbox. If I try to give you the code how to do this in this message, it will not show up.
I’m not sure... she says she’s looked at his record and what he wants to do, and what appeals to her and her friends is his desire for change from the current state of the government and government institutions. She’s such a liberal in every other way though, and her friends are even worse... I’m really surprised.
Though I’d say they’re strong libertarian positions more than conservative positions.
Dear fellow FReeper, thank you for your voice of reason. Some other FReepers here display way too little appreciation for war, taxes and corruption.
Cute. But it misses the mark. Mankind has been given authority to take the lives of those who would take your life. Call it war, call it self-defense, call it capitol punishment, call it justice. But without the will or the logic to see the necessity for using the sword to discourage those who do appreciate using the sword against innocents, folks would still be bullied by the strongest and fighting each other for the remains of a dead animal -- and forced to worship someone else's false god.
Maybe you're right. In the George Bush era, conservatism no longer means limited government and constitutional freedom. That was Reagan conservatism. Today, we call it - or the Bush-Rudybots on FR Call it - "kooky."
Sorry, but I'm still - along with Ron Paul - a conservative of the old, small-government school. Bush's big-government, big-spend, big-tax, big-borrow, big-debt policies haven't caught on with me.
No, a lot of us just don't believe that he is the face of real, old fashioned conservatism. As I have said often, Ron Paul is as much of a Constitutionalist as Fred Phelps is a Christian. Real Conservatives don't vote to defund our troops in the middle of a war. Real Conservatives don't vote against border security. Real Conservatives don't parrot the talking points of our enemies. Real Conservatives don't gorge on blood money paid for by our troops by pandering to the conspiracy minded crowd and associating with Alex Jones.
Ron Paul doesn't have his own forum; Ron Paul is not the Liberty Caucus, he just uses the Alex Jones' radio program to spread his paranoid delusions. At that, I don't even think the national level of the Liberty Caucus has been very active lately, some threads are tagged, but I haven't seen much activity from them lately.
No, the closest thing we have to an official Ron Paul thread is the 'Friday Funny' thread where most people sit in shock and laugh at what he said.. that is pretty much what he is good for.