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The statistics given by Laqueur are astonishing but may even be understated because of illegal immigration. In Germany, the 6800 Muslims of 1961 have risen to 3.6 million today; in Denmark, the 25,000 of 1982 are 300,000; in France and Holland the totals have doubled since 1980. We must be nice to Muslims while we are in the majority, a Swedish politician proposed, so that they are nice to us when they are the majority. The Dutch Catholic bishop of Breda, no less, suggested Christians replace the word "God" with "Allah." By means of such steps, one at a time, here and there, the Continent is indeed closing with its past.
1 posted on 10/16/2007 4:21:52 AM PDT by T.L.Sink
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Buchanan had the same thesis a few years ago. I read his book (well written btw).


2 posted on 10/16/2007 4:22:44 AM PDT by sauropod ("Nobody has time for your priceless prose. Get to the point." - Jim Michaels RIP 2007)
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As Europe becomes more and more Islamisized (if that’s a word) some thought had better be given to the art that is one of the legacies of western civilization. I would think that after a while there will probably be a movement to denounce the statues and paintings by Michelangelo, the religious panel paintings of Giotto, Vermeer etc, particularly as Europe elects more muslims to its respective governments. The early art of western civilization will be looked upon as corruption much as the taliban looked upon then destroyed the statues of Buddha in Afghanistan. Tolerance is not in the makeup of the mohammedans.


4 posted on 10/16/2007 4:37:58 AM PDT by ladtx ( "I don't know how I got over the hill without getting to the top." - - Will Rogers)
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Kind of like that old Richard Pryor bit: “They ain’t as many of y’all as there used to be. Y’all quit f***in’?!?!?”


5 posted on 10/16/2007 4:39:05 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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He concludes that Europe will slowly fall away into insignificance.

I would argue that they are well on their way right now.

Their military can’t protect their own countries, their per capita income is not so great (France has the same per capita income as Mississippi - 46th in the US) and here are large areas of Muslim ghettos where non-Muslims dare not go. Their countries are more socialist that capitalist. Some 2% of Europe is Christian and most people are secular.

They have been swirling down the toilet for decades and the flush will be complete sooner rather than later.


9 posted on 10/16/2007 5:07:32 AM PDT by NeilGus
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I have lived in a Muslim country; as Europe and it’s culture is eclipsed, the Western world will pass into a new dark age. The “accomodations” being made in Europe are but the first signs of this change, but I believe that if we look closely at what’s happening in Britain and the U.S. we see the nascent beginnings of this emerging dark age. Tell-tale signs are such things as the emergence of the surveillance/police state, abandonnment of the criminal standard, “guilty until proven innocent”, plummeting birth rates, and ever increasing government control of the population’s activities, habits and behavior. These strictures will result in a percipitous decline in both creativity and productivity and an end to the ownership society of wealth opportunity. The great bulk of the population will be reduced to something akin to involontary servitude and serfdom a la the retrograde no-growth economies of Cuba and now, Venzuela. Starvation, malnutrition, disease and death en masse will follow, but will be hardly noticed as the Government controlled MSM outlets focus instead on the steady drumbeat of propaganda sugar coated with the endless stream of feel good, pornographic images of the 24 hour party. To be sure of course, there will be the Big “D” Democracy, a steady stream of pointless elections for which the outcome is predetermined, much like what we’re seeing unfold in ‘08. Thus, the West will pass, not with a bang but a wimper. All that truly remains is to write it’s epitaph.


10 posted on 10/16/2007 5:08:40 AM PDT by glide625
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This is the result of self-hatred coming out of World War I and II and decoloniation, fed by the mentality that says abortion and birth control are a-okay.

Norway, for example, has had 400,000 legal abortions, and also has 400,000 turd world immigrants. Not a coincidence.

A wise Mexican politician once noted with respect to our southwestern border states that “to populate is to govern”. If Europeans and Americans want to govern the future, they’ll have to focus on multiplying their children, not their bank accounts.

Its amazing that believers in evolution, such as modern liberals, can fail to heed its simplest and most important lesson about the necessity of reproductive success.


11 posted on 10/16/2007 5:15:50 AM PDT by Andrew Byler
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ping to myself


13 posted on 10/16/2007 5:29:18 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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Laqueur sees Europe declining into a kind of genteel theme park - if it's lucky.

No way it's lucky. The muslims will have no interest in supporting 55 year old European retirees. There will be a mass exodus out of Europe by retirees to the US, Canada, Australia and NZ when the retirement benefits are cut. The smart ones will have their money out long before-hand because the muslims will quickly figure out how to use the mechanisms of state control to keep the assets in Europe.

I've already taken my boy to England. We'll see Paris and Germany, Italy and Greece in the next few years. I want him to see where modern civilization emerged before it is gone. In the not too distant future, those will be dangerous vacations for Christians. Not too long after that, we will be wondering why we didn't move the art in the Louvre out of France before the muslims blew it up.

15 posted on 10/16/2007 5:40:02 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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The statistics given by Laqueur are astonishing but may even be understated because of illegal immigration. In Germany, the 6800 Muslims of 1961 have risen to 3.6 million today;

In the case of Germany, the problem is self-inflicted with the importation of guest workers, primarily from Turkey, who have never gone home.

17 posted on 10/16/2007 5:46:40 AM PDT by kabar
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