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Reid: Right-wingers have taken LDS Church members down 'wrong path'
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Posted on 10/16/2007 10:36:59 AM PDT by esryle

PROVO - Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told Brigham Young University students Tuesday that it is possible to be a good Mormon and a Democrat. "My faith and political beliefs are deeply intertwined. I am a Democrat because I am a Mormon, not in spite of it," he told a gathering of more than 4,000 at the Marriott Center. But Nevada's senior senator says he also hopes votes for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney are "determined by his political stands, and not his religion." Reid said people often question how he can be a Democrat and a Mormon, but called the social responsibility Democrats espouse a good fit with the beliefs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He questioned the guidance of some LDS Church leaders, though. In remarks to the media following his address, Reid said that, "In the past years we've had some very prominent members of the church, like Ezra Taft Benson, who are really right-wing people. "Members of the church are obedient and followers in the true sense of the word, but these people have taken members of the church down the path that is the wrong path," he said. However, Reid says he doesn't have to answer to those who question his faith in the LDS Church. "I have to go get my [temple] recommend, and they're not present," he quipped. Reid didn't convert to the LDS Church until he became an adult, after he married his wife, Landra, both of whom were 19 at the time. Before joining the church, he said the figure he came closest to worshipping was President Franklin D. Roosevelt. A pillowcase with the quote "We can, we will, we must" stitched on it hung in his living room growing up in Searchlight, Nev., in a house with no indoor plumbing. "He fought for the workers of America," Reid said. "President Roosevelt is the basis of my political direction." Reid praised workers' unions, condemned the thought that free enterprise alone can solve global warming and spoke out strongly against the war in Iraq. "I say the invasion of Iraq was the worst foreign policy blunder in our country's history," he said, to loud applause from many in attendance. "I say our diplomatic army should be larger than our military army." Reid said afterward that the reaction did not surprise him because many Americans oppose the war, including BYU students. Although Reid is a Democrat, he says he is adamantly anti-abortion, and instead of voting for abortion bills, he votes for family-planning measures such as federal health insurance programs covering contraceptives, he said. Katherine Winters, a graduate student in civil engineering, said she was happy to get beyond the typical sound bites and begin to know Reid "as a person." She said she originally registered as a Republican when she turned 18 because her parents were Republicans. But lately she's been rethinking her political stand. "Recently there's so much that the Democratic Party has embraced; there is so much good that those social causes have done," she said. "I don't think you can call yourself a true Christian without caring for the poor."


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1 posted on 10/16/2007 10:37:02 AM PDT by esryle
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To: esryle

Watch for Harry to jump ship to the Unitarian/Universalists to be with the other atheists and “wiccans”.


2 posted on 10/16/2007 10:40:04 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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To: esryle

From the title, I thought it was about some church that was do’n acid with reid.


3 posted on 10/16/2007 10:40:46 AM PDT by DirtyPigpen
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To: esryle

What about gay marriage Harry? Marriage!


4 posted on 10/16/2007 10:41:41 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Take the wheel, Fred.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Or abortion.


5 posted on 10/16/2007 10:43:47 AM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: esryle

So Mormons lie all the time, like you Harry?


6 posted on 10/16/2007 10:43:47 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: esryle
She said she originally registered as a Republican when she turned 18 because her parents were Republicans. But lately she's been rethinking her political stand. "Recently there's so much that the Democratic Party has embraced; there is so much good that those social causes have done," she said. "I don't think you can call yourself a true Christian without caring for the poor."

Our future, get used to it.
7 posted on 10/16/2007 10:44:04 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: esryle
"I don't think you can call yourself a true Christian without caring for the poor."

I don't think the Reverend Jim Jones could have said it better.

8 posted on 10/16/2007 10:44:04 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Actually, Harry says on his web-site that he is a BETTER member of his church because he is a Democrat. Nothing like taking “other people’s inventories” is there oh dingy one?


9 posted on 10/16/2007 10:45:08 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: esryle

So when is the LDS church going to toss Harry out on his ear?


10 posted on 10/16/2007 10:45:19 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: esryle

Crushed by wall of words


11 posted on 10/16/2007 10:45:22 AM PDT by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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To: esryle

***growing up in Searchlight, Nev., in a house with no indoor plumbing.**

Does that make him special? Then I must be special also!


12 posted on 10/16/2007 10:45:35 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (("democrat" 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses.'))
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To: esryle

Harry, I am a true Christian, because I have been born again. Period!


13 posted on 10/16/2007 10:46:09 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: esryle

PROVO - Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told Brigham Young University students Tuesday that it is possible to be a good Mormon and a Democrat.

“My faith and political beliefs are deeply intertwined. I am a Democrat because I am a Mormon, not in spite of it,” he told a gathering of more than 4,000 at the Marriott Center.

But Nevada’s senior senator says he also hopes votes for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney are “determined by his political stands, and not his religion.”

Reid said people often question how he can be a Democrat and a Mormon, but called the social responsibility Democrats espouse a good fit with the beliefs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

He questioned the guidance of some LDS Church leaders, though.

In remarks to the media following his address, Reid said that, “In the past years we’ve had some very prominent members of the church, like Ezra Taft Benson, who are really right-wing people.

“Members of the church are obedient and followers in the true sense of the word, but these people have taken members of the church down the path that is the wrong path,” he said.

However, Reid says he doesn’t have to answer to those who question his faith in the LDS Church.

“I have to go get my [temple] recommend, and they’re not present,” he quipped.

Reid didn’t convert to the LDS Church until he became an adult, after he married his wife, Landra, both of whom were 19 at the time.

Before joining the church, he said the figure he came closest to worshipping was President Franklin D. Roosevelt. A pillowcase with the quote “We can, we will, we must” stitched on it hung in his living room growing up in Searchlight, Nev., in a house with no indoor plumbing.

“He fought for the workers of America,” Reid said. “President Roosevelt is the basis of my political direction.”

Reid praised workers’ unions, condemned the thought that free enterprise alone can solve global warming and spoke out strongly against the war in Iraq.

“I say the invasion of Iraq was the worst foreign policy blunder in our country’s history,” he said, to loud applause from many in attendance. “I say our diplomatic army should be larger than our military army.”

Reid said afterward that the reaction did not surprise him because many Americans oppose the war, including BYU students.

Although Reid is a Democrat, he says he is adamantly anti-abortion, and instead of voting for abortion bills, he votes for family-planning measures such as federal health insurance programs covering contraceptives, he said.

Katherine Winters, a graduate student in civil engineering, said she was happy to get beyond the typical sound bites and begin to know Reid “as a person.”

She said she originally registered as a Republican when she turned 18 because her parents were Republicans. But lately she’s been rethinking her political stand.

“Recently there’s so much that the Democratic Party has embraced; there is so much good that those social causes have done,” she said. “I don’t think you can call yourself a true Christian without caring for the poor.”


14 posted on 10/16/2007 10:48:12 AM PDT by scott7278 ("Before I give you the benefit of my reply, I would like to know what we are talking about.")
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To: esryle
"I say our diplomatic army should be larger than our military army."

And when Iran starts nuking everybody is talking about it really going to help? We have a military defense for a reason, Dingy. You can't talk terrorists out of their plans. You can't negotiate with people who want to kill you.

Reid voted against abortion bills, which is good, but supports embryonic stem cell research. That's not good. Neither is voting to fund contraceptives. He's not quite as adamantly pro-choice as most Democrats, but he's got some flaws in his record on moral issues. He's got some flaws in his record on most issues, actually. 32% Harry...that's how many Nevadans approve of you. Resign already, will ya?
15 posted on 10/16/2007 10:48:49 AM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Star Wars teaches us a foreboding lesson--evil emperors start out as Senators)
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To: esryle

“I say the invasion of Iraq was the worst foreign policy blunder in our country’s history,” he said, to loud applause from many in attendance
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and he knew he’d get it before he said that


16 posted on 10/16/2007 10:50:05 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Coldwater Creek
"My faith and political beliefs are deeply intertwined in my empty head. I am a Democrat because I am a Mormon moron.

There, I fixed his quote.

17 posted on 10/16/2007 10:51:09 AM PDT by Long Island Pete
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To: esryle
Gaaaaah! My eyes!

(Paragraphs are your friends. All you have to do is put "<P>" after each paragraph to separate them.)

18 posted on 10/16/2007 10:51:30 AM PDT by TChris (Cartels (oil, diamonds, labor) are bad. Free-market competition is good.)
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To: Coldwater Creek

thanks to democrats, millions won’t even have the chance to be born even once


19 posted on 10/16/2007 10:51:57 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: esryle

Senator Reid is an “LSD Church” member???


20 posted on 10/16/2007 10:52:06 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: esryle
...called the social responsibility Democrats espouse a good fit with the beliefs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The problem with this line of thinking should be self evident. The gov't is neither the proper, or best way, to fulfill our obligation toward social responsibility. That is a role for private charity, not for the gov't. Coercive philanthropy is destructive for the giver and the receiver. If this point is lost on you, read, or re-read, "A Christmas Carol".

I've often thought that such "liberals" ended up in the wrong place. They should all be working for private charities.

21 posted on 10/16/2007 10:52:19 AM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: esryle
"I don't think you can call yourself a true Christian without caring for the poor."

You probably can't.

I would encourage this woman to care for the poor as much as she can.

BUT DO IT WITH HER OWN MONEY!!!

22 posted on 10/16/2007 10:53:56 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: massgopguy
Actually, Harry says on his web-site that he is a BETTER member of his church because he is a Democrat. Nothing like taking “other people’s inventories” is there oh dingy one?

Isn't there a verse in the Bible that says woe unto those who call good evil and evil good? Woe unto Reid.

23 posted on 10/16/2007 10:54:13 AM PDT by Mark17
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To: esryle
Reid said in the article: "... these people have taken members of the church down the path that is the wrong path,"

So, the LDS church has gone down the wrong path!

I'm sure if Ann Coulter had said this, the liberal media would be all over her for such a hateful, anti-Mormon statement.

24 posted on 10/16/2007 10:54:49 AM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: scott7278
“I say our diplomatic army should be larger than our military army.”

Thank you, Neville Chamberlain!

This is the kind of fuzzy-brained, Bill Clinton, "let's just sue the terrorists, and if we don't have enough evidence, we'll let them keep this Bin Ladin guy" thinking that caused 9/11, because the bad guys thought, thanks to the lawyers and Liberals, that America was a backboneless, cheese-doodle-eating bunch of do-nothing infidels who would never get up off the couch to get the paper, much less go to Godforsaken Afganistan and drop billion pound MOABs on the ARABs. Let these morons get into power in '08, and you will have American blood on American soil.

Listen, Harry: you put twenty-thousand pampered, striped pants diplomats on the beach at Normandy under Nazi machine-gun fire, and let me know how that works out.

25 posted on 10/16/2007 10:58:14 AM PDT by 50sDad (Angels on asteroids are abducting crop circles!)
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To: roses of sharon

I registered as a Republican when I turned 18 and I wouldn’t change to a Rat in a million years.

The future countering our future.


26 posted on 10/16/2007 10:58:22 AM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Star Wars teaches us a foreboding lesson--evil emperors start out as Senators)
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To: headsonpikes

I agree completely with her. The Bible talks about it too. However, I don’t see the dems doing a thing for the poor. They try to entrap them in poverty so that they can never get out on their own. Republicans, by contrast, work on the economy so that more and more people can have their own piece of the pie. And teach them to fish for it, if need be. This only barely scratches the surface, but I see most of what the Republicans stand for help people help themselves and I see most all of what the dems do as further entrapping the poor who are already down far enough.


27 posted on 10/16/2007 10:59:57 AM PDT by twigs
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To: headsonpikes

Christian writings and preaching talks about our own personal responsibility to care for the poor. There is nothing Christian that says we satisfy our moral, Christian obligations by sticking our hands in our neighbor’s pocket to do so. Democraps have managed to misinterpret and rewrite our Constitution and are trying to rewrite the bible too.


28 posted on 10/16/2007 11:01:21 AM PDT by caisson71
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he says he is adamantly anti-abortion,

He isn't as fiercely pro-abortion as most Dems, but he did say that abortion should be OK in the case of rape or incest. That's unacceptable. You have to oppose abortion period, including in rape or incest, to be adamantly anti-abortion.

29 posted on 10/16/2007 11:04:42 AM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Star Wars teaches us a foreboding lesson--evil emperors start out as Senators)
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To: esryle
I thought it said;

Reid: Right-wingers have taken LSD Church members down 'wrong path'

30 posted on 10/16/2007 11:07:52 AM PDT by Right_Rev ("We need to get back to winning arguments by our ideas, not our ability to call people names.")
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To: caisson71

Hey, what happened to that separation of church and state thingy the Dems are always whining about? Now they are better Christians because their Dems. This Harry Reid a serious asshat.


31 posted on 10/16/2007 11:08:08 AM PDT by Jigajog
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To: Gay State Conservative

“God has said you will die, but surely you will not die” said Satan...

“Conservatives have taken you down the wrong path.” said Satan...I mean Reid.


32 posted on 10/16/2007 11:10:06 AM PDT by Moby Grape
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To: esryle
But lately she's been rethinking her political stand. "Recently there's so much that the Democratic Party has embraced; there is so much good that those social causes have done," she said. "I don't think you can call yourself a true Christian without caring for the poor."

Charity out of the barrel of a gun, or threat of jail, isn't very charitable, and certainly isn't very Christian.

33 posted on 10/16/2007 11:12:25 AM PDT by SoDak
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To: esryle
Harry put it in writing,,,,

The Charities of American love you.

34 posted on 10/16/2007 11:15:01 AM PDT by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: esryle

I am voting (not voting) for Romney for his political stances, not his religion. I hope this is all the “common-ground” I ever have with Sen. Harry Reid!..


35 posted on 10/16/2007 11:16:00 AM PDT by JSDude1 (When a liberal represents the Presidential Nominee for the Republicans; THEY'RE TOAST)
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To: esryle
This is why I can't vote for Mitt.

How can I respect anyone that belongs to a church that would have somebody as stupid as Harry Reid for a member?

(Tongue in cheek, sorta.)

36 posted on 10/16/2007 11:23:51 AM PDT by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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To: ari-freedom

I wouldn’t want to be a Democrat standing before the Throne!


37 posted on 10/16/2007 11:25:25 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: MEGoody
After the national elections, out of respect for the political process.

Whether or not the rest of the world believes that presidents of the Church are "Prophets, Seers, and Revelators," it amounts to apostasy for a Church member to declare, referring to then-President Benson and other General Authorities, that "these people have taken members of the church down the path that is the wrong path..."

However, it will be his stake president and not the General leadership of the Church who will decide when and if Reid will face a local Church disciplinary council. Any action, if any, relative to Reid's membership in the Church will be decided by the stake president -- in consultation with his counselors and the twelve members of the stake high council...

38 posted on 10/16/2007 11:25:39 AM PDT by tracer
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To: headsonpikes

Let me correct that for you

“I don’t think you can call yourself a true Christian without demanding the government care for the poor.”


39 posted on 10/16/2007 11:27:35 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: esryle

The idea that these entitlement programs are ‘socially good’ just frosts me.

If my recollection of history is correct, when FDR was POTUS, the income tax was on averge 4%. If the Dems can do all their ‘social good’ while taxing at that rate, great. But they can’t. So now we have to have two parents working to carry the burden of their own families and others for whom the Democrats have chosen to do their ‘social good.’

I would love an economist to figure out how, if it can be done now, reducing income tax, and reducing (or preferably eliminating) ‘socially good’ programs, would allow more mothers to stay home to actually raise their own children, thus reducing even the need for half these socially good programs.

My memory is also that pre-LBJ’s ‘Great Society,’ illegitimacy in this country was very low among all ethnic/racial groups. Might removal of the ‘socially good’ programs that fostered illegitimacy instead encourage women to think of getting married rather than having children who will be put on every conceivable ‘socially good’ program?

Could a married mother and father living together possibly raise a child on one modest,low-taxed income without the myriad ‘socially good’ programs?


40 posted on 10/16/2007 11:27:53 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: 50sDad
"The best diplomat I know is a fully-loaded phaser bank."


41 posted on 10/16/2007 11:28:46 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: scott7278
However, Reid says he doesn’t have to answer to those who question his faith in the LDS Church. “I have to go get my [temple] recommend, and they’re not present,” he quipped.

Not sure if I should laugh or sigh. A Christian would say it was between him and Christ, or between him and God, not between him and his temple recommend.

42 posted on 10/16/2007 11:30:01 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: AppyPappy; twigs; caisson71

Hard to disagree with any of you!


43 posted on 10/16/2007 11:31:57 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: esryle
Good thing his wife wasn’t a Leninist. But then he'd be a more normal Democrat.
44 posted on 10/16/2007 11:35:48 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (RUN Paul - a man proudly putting al Qaeda's interest ahead of America's.)
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To: Greg F

I want to see him in Heaven, waving that Temple Recommend before the Throne.


45 posted on 10/16/2007 11:37:12 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: DirtyPigpen
From the title, I thought it was about some church that was do’n acid with reid.

Dyslexia strikes again! :^)

LDS = Latter Day Saints = Mormons.

46 posted on 10/16/2007 11:39:33 AM PDT by Disambiguator (Political Correctness is criminal insanity writ large.)
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To: AppyPappy

47 posted on 10/16/2007 11:41:05 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: roses of sharon
"I don't think you can call yourself a true Christian without caring for the poor."

So this dingbat thinks it's "Christian" to extort money from people for Marxist income redistribution schemes (a.k.a. "entitlement programs")? She needs to read her Bible some more.

48 posted on 10/16/2007 11:42:59 AM PDT by Disambiguator (Political Correctness is criminal insanity writ large.)
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To: Disambiguator

It took a few minutes for my brain to put the letter in the correct order.


49 posted on 10/16/2007 11:46:26 AM PDT by DirtyPigpen
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To: AppyPappy

That ought to do it!

50 posted on 10/16/2007 11:47:26 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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