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Bush Warns Putin Over 'World War Three'
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 10-17-2007 | Matthew Moore and Adrian Blomfield

Posted on 10/17/2007 10:29:32 AM PDT by blam

Bush warns Putin over 'World War Three'

By Matthew Moore and Adrian Blomfield
Last Updated: 6:10pm BST 17/10/2007

George W Bush, the US president, today warned that world leaders risk helping bring about "World War Three" unless they do more to prevent Iran developing nuclear weapons.

David Blair: No warmth or trust behind the handshake Leader: Vladimir Putin in Teheran In remarks timed to coincide with Russian president Vladimir Putin's visit to Teheran, Mr Bush said the Islamic republic must remain isolated until it drops its nuclear ambitions.

New best friends: Vladimir Putin and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad after their meeting in Teheran

"We've got a leader in Iran who has announced that he wants to destroy Israel," Mr Bush told a White House press conference.

"So I've told people that, if you're interested in avoiding World War Three, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon."

Mr Bush's pointed statement follows the warm words exchanged by Mr Putin and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, at an historic summit in Teheran this week.

After their meeting Mr Putin repeated Moscow's line that there is no evidence to suggest Iran wants to build a nuclear bomb, and pledged to continue helping the country develop its civil nuclear technology.

As the first Kremlin leader to visit Iran since Josef Stalin in 1943, he also secured the vital backing of Azerbaijan in a five-nation pact by the Caspian states to prevent the US from using the region as a staging ground for military action against Iran.

Mr Bush added today that he had no doubts that Russia appreciated the dangers of a nuclear Iran.

But he said that he wished to speak to Mr Putin about his meeting with Ayatollah Khamenei, the supreme Iranian leader, during which he is said to have suggested a new proposal to end the nuclear stand-off.

"I'm looking forward to getting President Putin's read-out from the meeting," Mr Bush said.

"The thing I'm interested in is whether or not he continues to harbor the same concerns that I do.

"I will continue to work with Russia as well as other nations to keep a focused effort on sending Iran a message that you will remain isolated if you continue your nuclear weapons ambitions."

Although Russia lent its reluctant backing to two United Nations resolutions imposing sanctions on Iran, it has been stridently opposed to escalating the penalties after Teheran refused to stop its uranium enrichment programme.

Among Western diplomats, opinion is divided as to whether Russia — which has little to gain from a nuclear Iran — will eventually acquiesce.

Emboldened by its vast energy resources and desperate to reclaim its status as a global power, Russia could also stand to gain by seeing the United States dragged into a new, controversial and potentially debilitating Middle East conflict.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; iran; iraniannukes; israel; putin; redjihad; russia; syria; war; warns; ww3; wwiii
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1 posted on 10/17/2007 10:29:33 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

The Russians sent up turboprop Bears to enter US territory last week. Turboprops. There’s nothing there. Ronaldus Reagan proved that in 1989. Less there now then then.


2 posted on 10/17/2007 10:43:52 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: blam; Paul Ross; Jeff Head; Thunder90; Tailgunner Joe; DarkWaters

Bush is correct. If the SCO are not stopped (including, their proxy / newest member, Iran) than world war is a certainty.

As a side note, let it be known far and wide that I am warmonger in the Churchillian tradition. And I will do everything in my power to prepare to fight and win a global thermonuclear war against the enemies of Western Civilization. Who will join me?


3 posted on 10/17/2007 10:48:30 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

The world’s fastest turboprops, only 20MPH slower than B-52s, with greater range.


4 posted on 10/17/2007 10:49:14 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: blam
WoW !

......finally someone with enough courage to openly defend Israel !

an unpopular position in most of the propagandized world, all through history evil maniacs have tried to genocide the Jews and failed.

Oddmadinajob and Putin will also fail.....

noticed a funny thing , look at the photo and draw some hair and a beard on Putin, they look like twins

5 posted on 10/17/2007 10:50:22 AM PDT by KTM rider (Free Mexico ....Viva La Revolucion)
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To: KTM rider

You’re onto something. You know, I’ve often wondered about Putin’s long standing FASCInation with things German and with a seemingly very Prussian martial orientation. After hemming and hawing about it for some time, I think I am ready to conclude that he really is a Nazi.


6 posted on 10/17/2007 10:55:21 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: KTM rider

You’re onto something. You know, I’ve often wondered about Putin’s long standing FASCInation with things German and with a seemingly very Prussian martial orientation. After hemming and hawing about it for some time, I think I am ready to conclude that he really is a Nazi.


7 posted on 10/17/2007 10:56:16 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

I think what Bush is saying is that if Russia helps Iran get nukes and they are used against us or an ally, it is the same as if Russia attacked us directly. Not a bad way to put it and fairly accurate.


8 posted on 10/17/2007 10:56:32 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: blam

God Bless President George W Bush and his steadfast opposition to the enemies of free people everywhere -— Islamic Fundamentalists.


9 posted on 10/17/2007 10:57:31 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

‘The Russians sent up turboprop Bears to enter US territory last week. Turboprops. There’s nothing there. Ronaldus Reagan proved that in 1989. Less there now then then.’

Yep. The Russians are using the exact same planes they used to ‘buzz’ the fleet in the IO when I was in the Navy.

Circa 1981....(chuckle)

That said....I wonder what Bush sees in Putin’s soul these days....


10 posted on 10/17/2007 10:58:33 AM PDT by Badeye ('Ron Paul joined 88 Democrats.....")
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To: blam

I keep having these mental pictures of a Devastated Iran popping into my minds’ eye. Huge craters where hundreds of blocks of buildings have been turned into craters. Satellite photos of dozens of spires of black clouds coming up into the sky from all over Iran...


11 posted on 10/17/2007 10:58:57 AM PDT by DGHoodini
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To: blam
Stink and sh•t...


12 posted on 10/17/2007 10:58:59 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
military equipment is an insignificant factor in war.

it is all about the enemies will to fight

I wish generals would learn that

you can shake up a mighty nation with a box cutter, or hold off the greatest army in the world with a weekly car bomb at a shopping mall and a TV

13 posted on 10/17/2007 10:59:27 AM PDT by KTM rider (Free Mexico ....Viva La Revolucion)
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To: All

Hillary can’t confront her husband over his affairs with interns and she wants to deal with these clowns. Yeah, okay.


14 posted on 10/17/2007 11:00:51 AM PDT by newnhdad
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To: GOP_1900AD
I will do everything in my power to prepare to fight and win a global thermonuclear war against the enemies of Western Civilization. Who will join me?

Uh, I'm all for fighting and defeating the foes of Western Civilization. However, I'd like to avoid the "thermonuclear" part if at all possible. I have a seven-month-old here and I'd kind of like to see him grow up.

If we are attacked by an enemy using nuclear weapons, then by all means let's use our own to destroy our attackers. Short of that, let's fight and win using conventional weapons.

15 posted on 10/17/2007 11:00:52 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Name this plane...

It's a C-130 and it has turbo props too. Just because they use them (as we still do) doesn't mean they arent a threat.

16 posted on 10/17/2007 11:03:13 AM PDT by SwankyC
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To: GOP_1900AD

If we survive the initial blasts, and there is some infrastructure intact, Count me in. If there is nothing left, count me in because I plan on causing a lot of mayhem before the radiation gets me.


17 posted on 10/17/2007 11:05:02 AM PDT by Shaun_MD ("Republic of Texas")
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To: GOP_1900AD

They are almost as loud as the ordnance they carry, I’ve *heard*.


18 posted on 10/17/2007 11:06:36 AM PDT by Don W (I wondered why the baseball was getting bigger. Then it hit me.)
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To: Shaun_MD

Make that radiation and the Chicom/Russian/Suicidal Muslim/Nork Alliance.


19 posted on 10/17/2007 11:10:33 AM PDT by Shaun_MD ("Republic of Texas")
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To: GOP_1900AD
heres a chilling thought

have you ever heard of the nazi "Aryan Brotherhood" ? they are active in Europe and in US prisons.....check out this link and read all the way to the bottom Aryan

20 posted on 10/17/2007 11:11:58 AM PDT by KTM rider (Free Mexico ....Viva La Revolucion)
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To: blam


PLEASE, LET'S END THIS NONSENSE ONCE AND FOR ALL!
21 posted on 10/17/2007 11:14:54 AM PDT by this is my name not yours (Free speech is the escape valve that keeps some people from picking up a rifle.)
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To: this is my name not yours

22 posted on 10/17/2007 11:17:34 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: SwankyC

Twenty years in the AF and retired with an eagle on my shoulder. Believe me, turboprops are great assets for search and rescue. As strategic bombers, they print like Picasso.


23 posted on 10/17/2007 11:18:48 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: GOP_1900AD

The Bear has a lot, and I mean a lot, less payload capacity then the BUFFs...


24 posted on 10/17/2007 11:19:14 AM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: KTM rider

Just sat on my first 690 sm. That’s cool.


25 posted on 10/17/2007 11:21:55 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture )
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To: GOP_1900AD

Count me in...


26 posted on 10/17/2007 11:25:42 AM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: this is my name not yours

How soon the world forgets. Aryan= Nazi= Iran

27 posted on 10/17/2007 11:28:24 AM PDT by KTM rider (Free Mexico ....Viva La Revolucion)
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To: KTM rider
you can shake up a mighty nation with a box cutter, or hold off the greatest army in the world with a weekly car bomb at a shopping mall and a TV

You have lost control of your senses. Are you living somewhere in the EU?

28 posted on 10/17/2007 11:28:28 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi; Tailgunner Joe
Those turbo-prop Bears are nearly as fast as our B-52s. Amazing actually. Plus superior range. That is what really forced the Navy to develop the F-14 in the first place, so as to defend the Fleet from Bear-launched stand-off weapons. The F-14 was the only interceptor that could race out to not just effectively prevent encroachment into the threat zone in time, but do so in an extremely intimidating manner. Then loiter along with the Bears in prop-wash (read machine-gun) range....escorting them away. Loitering as long as needed, since they had the endurance to do so thanks to the huge fuel reserve and swing-wings giving them significant efficiencies at that speed.

The F-14 now is unfortunately retired without a comparable replacement. The F-18 SuperTiger...just isn't close.

Meanwhile the Russian Bear is apparently becoming a threat again...as their regime proves its enmity. Anyways, the Soviets also had the Backfire and the Blackjack (An B-1 knock-off, obviously from espionage-gleaned schematics). These are serious threats that require a serious interceptor. The F-22, if the Navalized version was developed and produced, could be such a serious interceptor. The F-35, which is all that the Administration feels is enough...isn't. And won't be around for 6 or 7 years. The Russian threat is apparently getting more serious in conjunction with their Alliance with Red China. And they still have their First Strike Weapons, the SS-18, and their new Topol-M. We have retired...and dismantled unilaterally our best, and latest counterforce weapon, the MX missile.

There’s nothing there. Ronaldus Reagan proved that in 1989. Less there now then then.

Actually, he knew just the opposite. It was Jimmy Carter who said that we had an "Inordinate Fear of Communism" and was attempting to permanently ensconce Soviet military superiority by treaty mandates with horrifically unbalanced treaty terms. His agents Paul Warnke and Cyrus Vance never saw a Russian advantage or threat they couldn't minimize for the U.S. public-consumption.

What Reagan proved was that apart from their military threat, the Russian Bear was not a true superpower. That it was a totalitarian monster that bestrode its people...and was an evil empire. That its communist ideology was wicked and bankrupt, and that it existed merely for the sake of the power of its corrupt party bosses.

With these truths transmitted to its people...and the sure knowledge that we were no longer going to enable the regime and were not going to be intimidated or coerced anymore by their military...it collapsed. Their people knew enough was enough...and with Reagan always putting his hand out in friendship...they had no reason to fear us.

29 posted on 10/17/2007 11:29:31 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: GOP_1900AD
And I will do everything in my power to prepare to fight and win a global thermonuclear war against the enemies of Western Civilization. Who will join me?

Not me, if you please.

30 posted on 10/17/2007 11:30:18 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: B-Chan
Uh, I'm all for fighting and defeating the foes of Western Civilization. However, I'd like to avoid the "thermonuclear" part if at all possible. I have a seven-month-old here and I'd kind of like to see him grow up. If we are attacked by an enemy using nuclear weapons, then by all means let's use our own to destroy our attackers. Short of that, let's fight and win using conventional weapons.

In all probability if we're attacked first, you won't live to see your seven-month old grow up. I say better them vaporised than us. It's what we should have done to Afghanistan to begin with.
31 posted on 10/17/2007 11:32:01 AM PDT by this is my name not yours (Free speech is the escape valve that keeps some people from picking up a rifle.)
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To: Paul Ross

Very nice post, #29.


32 posted on 10/17/2007 11:33:26 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Badeye
I wonder what Bush sees in Putin’s soul these days....

When I heard that way back in '01...it scared me spitless. Still does. It was deranged then, and still is.

As for his looking into souls nowadays...he has been rather quiet about that, hasn't he?

To the extent he believes in the Bible at all, he needs to re-read the passages about Babel. Those edicts by God still stand.

33 posted on 10/17/2007 11:33:46 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: this is my name not yours

Arm chair general.


34 posted on 10/17/2007 11:34:34 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

argumentum ad hominem


35 posted on 10/17/2007 11:38:00 AM PDT by this is my name not yours (Free speech is the escape valve that keeps some people from picking up a rifle.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Not me, if you please.

Is that you, Jimmy Carter???


36 posted on 10/17/2007 11:38:02 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
[quote]"You have lost control of your senses. Are you living somewhere in the EU?"[/quote] How do you figure,

dig a little deeper and think about it

look at all the damage 9-11 caused and it was all done with boxcutters, and how costly the war in Iraq is to our troops and our finances.The Al Qaeda main strategy is to blow up a car bomb to kill civilians once a week and get it on TV,

it works pretty good, the democrats are ready to surrender

the enemy is staging their war very cheap and with very little equipment.

then look at Israel and all the trouble caused by a few nuts with suicide bombs. I hope that doesnt start happening here in the USA at Christmastime, we would be damaged slightly.

37 posted on 10/17/2007 11:38:18 AM PDT by KTM rider (Free Mexico ....Viva La Revolucion)
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To: GOP_1900AD

38 posted on 10/17/2007 11:38:42 AM PDT by RightWhale (50 years later we're still sitting on the ground)
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To: Paul Ross
he needs to re-read the passages about Babel

I think Ezekiel would be more helpful.

39 posted on 10/17/2007 11:40:20 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Paul Ross
he needs to re-read the passages about Babel

I think Ezekiel would be more helpful.

40 posted on 10/17/2007 11:40:31 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: B-Chan
I'd like to avoid the "thermonuclear" part if at all possible.

Ditto. But the best defense is a superior, and survivable, counter threat. One that really Deters...

41 posted on 10/17/2007 11:40:56 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: KTM rider
I hope that doesnt start happening here in the USA at Christmastime, we would be damaged slightly.

You are deranged.

42 posted on 10/17/2007 11:43:20 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: RightWhale

Please allow me to second that.


43 posted on 10/17/2007 11:43:59 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Aren’t we all to some extent, Colonel?


44 posted on 10/17/2007 11:44:17 AM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: Paul Ross
Is that you, Jimmy Carter???

No, Jimmah was Navy all the way. Nuklear engineer, if I recall correctly.

45 posted on 10/17/2007 11:46:11 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

thank you for your opinion


46 posted on 10/17/2007 11:46:42 AM PDT by KTM rider (Free Mexico ....Viva La Revolucion)
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To: blam

Repeat after me: RUSSIA IS NOT OUR FRIEND; RUSSIA IS NOT OUR FRIEND; RUSSIA IS NOT OUR FRIEND.


47 posted on 10/17/2007 11:50:00 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: this is my name not yours
argumentum ad hominem

declino

48 posted on 10/17/2007 11:52:32 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Paul Ross

‘When I heard that way back in ‘01...it scared me spitless. Still does. It was deranged then, and still is.’

Yep. I’ll always wonder what prompted that remark.

‘As for his looking into souls nowadays...he has been rather quiet about that, hasn’t he? ‘

Indicates he can in fact, still learn.


49 posted on 10/17/2007 11:52:34 AM PDT by Badeye ('Ron Paul joined 88 Democrats.....")
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To: this is my name not yours
argumentum ad hominem

declino

50 posted on 10/17/2007 11:52:45 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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