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Martin Amis launches fresh attack on Muslim faith saying Islamic states are 'less evolved'
Daily Mail ^ | 10/18/07 | LAURA CLARK and TAHIRA YAQOOB

Posted on 10/17/2007 7:48:26 PM PDT by Pikamax

Martin Amis launches fresh attack on Muslim faith saying Islamic states are 'less evolved' By LAURA CLARK and TAHIRA YAQOOB Last updated at 00:55am on 18th October 2007

The author Martin Amis has claimed he feels 'morally superior' to Muslim states which are not as 'evolved' as the Western world.

Responding to long-running accusations that he is Islamophobic, Amis launched a fresh invective against the Muslim faith and many of its followers.

He admitted his late father and grandfather had been racist but then claimed radical Muslims were the real racists, misogynists and homophobes.

The 58-year-old defended a proposal he made last year that Muslims be deported and strip-searched in a crackdown on terrorism.

His latest comments came in a TV news interview last night and during the Cheltenham Literature Festival last week.

The Muslim Council of Britain branded them racist and 'shameful'.

In an interview with Jon Snow on Channel Four News, Amis declared: 'I feel morally superior to Islamists, by some distance. I feel an intellectual distance to Islam.

'There are great problems with Islam. The Koran recommends the beating of women.

'The anti-Semites, the psychotic misogynists and the homophobes are the Islamists.'

Days earlier, Amis shocked festivalgoers in Cheltenham with claims that Muslim states are less 'civilised' than Western society.

'Some societies are just more evolved than others,' he said. 'I am not saying these people are genetically incapable of not being terrorists.

'These societies are arming themselves with weapons like the AK47 and blowing people up on buses and Tubes.'

When one member of his audience suggested not all Muslims were terrorists he retorted: 'No one else is doing it.

'Here in the West we have the most evolved society in the world and we are not blowing people up.

'I am just saying some societies are more evolved than others. Young men in those kinds of societies are growing up full of loathing and hatred. Something has to be done about it.'

'Morally superior': Martin Amis with wife Isabel in June He added: 'I do not mean British Muslims - they are part of our society. I mean Muslim states. 'They used to be more evolved than us, but now we are more evolved than them.

'There is no inoffensive way to put this - by evolved, I mean more civilised. We have more respect for civil society.'

These remarks echo the controversial comments he made during an interview in 2006. On the subject of curbing terrorism, he said: 'There is a definite urge - don't you have it? - to say, "The Muslim community will have to suffer until it gets its house in order".

'Not letting them travel. Deportation - further down the road. Curtailing of freedoms. Strip-searching people who look like they're from the Middle East or from Pakistan. Discriminatory stuff, until it hurts the whole community and they start getting tough with their children.'

Since that interview Amis, the author of London Fields and eight other novels, has taken up a post as professor of creative writing at Manchester University.

A colleague at the university, the Marxist literary critic Terry Eagleton, recently attacked Amis and his father in the preface to his book Ideology.

'Bit dodgy': Martin Amis's father Sir Kingsley in 1975 He described Sir Kingsley Amis as a 'racist, anti-Semitic boor, a drinksodden, self-hating reviler of women, gays and liberals' and compared his son to a 'British National Party thug'. At last week's literature festival, Amis admitted that racist tendencies run in his family, declaring: 'My grandfather was racist, my father was a bit dodgy and I consider myself pretty free of it but get little urges and impulses now and then.'

In the Channel Four interview, he tried to draw a distinction between Islamists - the radical followers - and Islam, the religion.

'I blame Islamists, the ideology within a religion,' he said.

'All the perpetrators, with a few exceptions, are young men from Pakistan.

'Islamism will be a sink for every Walter Mitty of murder, every functioning schizophrenic, every rampant anti-Semite.

'There is a rage which has been building for the past century which is hoping to rebuild its (Islam's) superiority through violence.'

He went on to insist: 'I do not believe in any persecution of the Muslim community. I think that would be counter productive.'

Condemning his comments, a spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain said: 'Amis clearly seems to believe many Muslim communities are primitive.

But just because some extremists have committed terrorist acts does not give him licence to denigrate an entire faith community.

'He should be ashamed of himself.'


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: islam; islamofascism; muhammadsminions; stopislamization

1 posted on 10/17/2007 7:48:28 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax

“he feels ‘morally superior’ to Muslim states which are not as ‘evolved’ as the Western world.”

So what is wrong with that? The truth hurt’s.

Heck, they are not as evolved as some third world countries.


2 posted on 10/17/2007 7:59:01 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Pikamax

Amis is right, and the people who should be ashamed are the Leftist intellectuals who are acting as enablers for this depraved cult, whose entire history is one of violence, cultural genocide, and conquest.


3 posted on 10/17/2007 8:01:26 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: Pikamax

the american left is evil,

so amis’ statement will not bother them a bit.


4 posted on 10/17/2007 8:05:30 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: Pikamax; All

Good websites:

http://foehammer.net/

http://sioe.wordpress.com/

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/


5 posted on 10/17/2007 8:08:20 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Pikamax

Well thank gosh or God that somebody besides me is saying and believing it.

The Islamofascist/Nazis are going to nuke NYC and DC as soon as they get the weapons. Count on it. If they had had nukes on 9/11 they would have used them.

They want us all dead. They’re all totally crazy and stark raving nuts. Primitive, backwards, barbaric, stupid and cruel and wiping their butts with their hands. Oh wait, they already do that.

Primitive cretins, worthless scum.

If they didn’t have oil, they would all be living in mud huts, cooking on goat dung fires and eating God knows what.


6 posted on 10/17/2007 8:10:27 PM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam.)
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To: Pikamax

Another Chris Hitchens in the making.


7 posted on 10/17/2007 8:10:32 PM PDT by IslandJeff (She wore a raspberry beret - the kind you find at a second-hand store)
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To: Pikamax
I agree totally.

Just because Muslims are to be found virtually EVERYWHERE across the globe where people are mass-murdering, rioting in the streets over cartoons, burning cars, calling those of other religions "monkeys and pigs," starving people of other religions, hijacking airplanes, beating and mutilating women, forcing authors to go into permanent hiding, blowing up pizza parlors and slicing off reporters' heads gives this man NO LICENSE to denigrate an entire faith community like that.

He ought to be ashamed of himself.

8 posted on 10/17/2007 8:23:59 PM PDT by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: edcoil

They are Jihadicus Baboonus..


9 posted on 10/17/2007 8:24:06 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Luke Skyfreeper; garyhope

Well don’t hold back guys, tell us what you really think. :-)


11 posted on 10/17/2007 8:32:16 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Thompson / Hunter in 2008)
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To: Pikamax
Islam less evolved? No way!


12 posted on 10/17/2007 8:46:21 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Pikamax
'He should be ashamed of himself.'

No, Muslims should be ashamed of following the "teachings" of that murdering pedophile called mohammad. I mean, who in their right mind would follow a vicious, illiterate pervert around doing everything he says to do???

13 posted on 10/17/2007 9:23:56 PM PDT by LibWhacker (Democrats are phony Americans)
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To: Pikamax

Truth is often controversial.


14 posted on 10/17/2007 9:25:25 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: Pikamax

I smell fatwa.


15 posted on 10/17/2007 9:27:20 PM PDT by Roy Tucker ("You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality"--Ayn Rand)
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To: Pikamax
Days earlier, Amis shocked festivalgoers in Cheltenham with claims that Muslim states are less 'civilised' than Western society.

That's what's so hypocritical; if the truth were really told, all of the honest non-Muslim British there secretly agree with him. The British don't really like becoming a 'multi-cultural' society, it's been forced on them by their government.

He added: 'I do not mean British Muslims - they are part of our society.

That's where he does a CYA, and loses my respect. The British Muslims aren't assimilating, they aren't British and never will be. They're mostly Muslim Pakis, living in a foreign country, and they don't fit in, anymore than an Englishman born and raised in Pakistan could ever be really accepted.

16 posted on 10/17/2007 9:48:39 PM PDT by xJones
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To: NurdlyPeon
Well don’t hold back guys, tell us what you really think. :-)

Mmmm-hmmm. Well in any event, give me one word, if you can, of what I said that isn't true. :-)

17 posted on 10/17/2007 9:56:41 PM PDT by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: edcoil

they are all third world countries


18 posted on 10/18/2007 3:35:47 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: xJones

Moslems in the UK are being given a message from this Government that they do not have to adapt to a British way of life : - in fact the British public are being told to adapt to these newcomers .

In February 2006 a new Mosque opened in the Spital Hill Area of Sheffield in Yorkshire . It had no planning permission from the authorities and was causing traffic problems when used . Instead of taking action the police closed the road during prayer times , despite it being a major route north from the City centre and used by thousands of soccer fans when Sheffield Wednesday are playing at home .
Soon after , the mosque was given use of a nearby community centre . The centre was publicly run and for the benefit of all local residents , but young moslem men began to ‘request’ that women cover up . The City council agreed on the grounds of ‘respect for other cultures’. Then , the moslems asked that women come through a separate door - and eventually insisted that women use an alternative venue . The authority - youv’e guessed it - backed down (this is despite the Socialist Council’s stance on feminism , by the way).
It was shortly after this that jewish gravestones in cemeteries started being defaced , with swastikas but also ‘Allah u Akhbar’ and ‘Aoosh wits never happened’ (sic) and ‘you pigs asked for it’ . The final straw was when a Mullah (or Mofti or whatever) joined this mosque . It had turned out he had entered the UK illegally . When found he moved into the mosque and said that he would be killed if he was sent back to Yemen .
3 months had passed by this time , and this preacher had a website and leaflet distribution calling for the slaughter of Jews and Hindus , as well as the usual ‘drop chemical weapons on America’s cities’ lark .
Anyway I decided enough was enough . I bombarded their website in defence of my way of life , saying that Islam was unsuited to civilised Western values , God bless America and Israel , and comdemning their prophet as a psycopath and a paedophile .
Perhaps you can guess what happened . I then recieved a letter from South Yorkshire Police that they were recommending that the CPS (like your DA) charge me with ‘Incitement to Racial Hatred’ . I immediately got myself a solicitor (lawyer) who pointed out that Islam is a religion NOT a race . The CPS dropped it but a week later charged me with ‘Using Speech or Literature Likely to Cause Fear , Alarm and/or Distress’.
I publicised my case as much as I could , and refused to show up in court (as did over 100 other people charged with the same offence . When police attempted to arrest all of us , each time the turned up they were confronted by dozens of friends and neighbours waving St Georges flags who smashed their patrol cars and threatened to riot . 11 months later the Crown dropped all charges against every one of us !
I am generally law abiding , but I’m afraid that when it comes to standing up to this sick , perverted , bullying Nazi cult , our politically correct authorities don’t understand any other way .

PS I cannot speak for American Justice but from what I have read from FReepers about what is happening in Detroit , Newark , Boston etc. do not think this will never happened to you . If American voters do not wake up soon they will lose their right to free speech - thus suffocating any criticism of an ever - growing , evermore - aggressive Islam .

As I say , ignore this post at your peril.
Thanks for listening
Jabbermog
Lincolnshire , England


19 posted on 10/18/2007 6:03:31 AM PDT by jabbermog
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To: jabbermog; Alouette
Thanks for your post #19, and you've earned my greatest respect by your actions. And you're right, it could happen here, but you've set a memorable example in Great Britain.

Alouette, would you please put this on your ping list for the sake of post #19?

20 posted on 10/18/2007 6:56:00 AM PDT by xJones
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To: Pikamax

He’d better get some advice from Salman Rushdie on how to escape execution from the fanatics.


21 posted on 10/18/2007 6:58:52 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: jabbermog
"PS I cannot speak for American Justice but from what I have read from FReepers about what is happening in Detroit , Newark , Boston etc. do not think this will never happened to you . If American voters do not wake up soon they will lose their right to free speech - thus suffocating any criticism of an ever - growing , evermore - aggressive Islam ."

We are already losing it. That is what all these hate crime bills are about that the U.S. Congress is passing. The liberals in America are already putting the handcuffs on us in preparations of the onslaught of Muslims to which just a whisper of defiance will get us sent to jail.

It sucks! And if Hillary get elected as President of the USofA, we are sooooooooooooooooooo screwed!

22 posted on 10/18/2007 7:14:11 AM PDT by avacado (Republicans Destroyed Democrats' Most Cherished Institution: SLAVERY!)
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To: Pikamax
"Days earlier, Amis shocked festivalgoers in Cheltenham with claims that Muslim states are less 'civilised' than Western society."

What's news in this sentence, is the fact that people were "shocked", when they heard that Muslim states were "less civilised" than the West. What was shocking? That someone actually told the truth? The Muslim world had a short period, when they were open to new ideas. This was closed a thousand years ago, when they decided that all knowledge was in the Koran and that "no innovation" in religion would be allowed. Since then, Muslim mobs have murdered anyone, who advocates ideas not in line with orthodox Islam.

This of course leads to the stagnation of society. An nothing represents Muslim states as well as the term stagnation.

23 posted on 10/18/2007 7:20:20 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: jabbermog
Soon after , the mosque was given use of a nearby community centre . The centre was publicly run and for the benefit of all local residents , but young moslem men began to ‘request’ that women cover up . The City council agreed on the grounds of ‘respect for other cultures’.

This is what really infuriates me. If any faction of chr*stianity in any Western country were to insist on such a thing they would be labelled "theocrats" and mercilessly attacked. But since moslems are "the other," they can slip "theocracy" over the population and be defended by those same secularists because to resist is to imply that it's a chr*stian country!

Once again we see the foul stench of Hegelianism. Once mankind is divided into a "thesis" that pushes history forward and an "antithesis" that stands in the way of utopia then all consistency goes out the window. Fascism, homophobia, anti-Semitism, racism, "theocracy" are all excused by the Western Left when practiced by the "thesis" because everything they do is sacred, while the "antithesis" is condemned even for upholding leftist values because everything they do is evil.

Marxism is dead and gone for the simple reason that class identity doesn't touch the heart the way ethnic or religious identity does. Unfortunately, Hegelianism is more alive than ever.

24 posted on 10/18/2007 7:27:38 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vehe'emin BaShem; vayachsheveha lo tzedaqah.)
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To: Pikamax
The sad thing is that there are still people denying the obvious.

Although I suspect even many of them now admit the truth to themselves.

25 posted on 10/18/2007 7:35:28 AM PDT by B Knotts (Tancredo '08!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Exactly .

As the delightful commie Mayor of London Ken Livingstone said ‘what they desire cannot be consiously wrong , as they are building a community far from it’s roots . It is the most noble of desires and I welcome Islam
to London .’

Moslems in this country terrorise the Jewish community : -
But hey , its not Nazism .

Moslems beat up their women folk , rape their cousins and pimp their sisters and nieces to others among their community .
But that’s not sexism .

Moslems sexually mutilate girls as young as 4 , while Imams diddle young boys.
But you musn’t call it child abuse .

Moslems force Sharia law upon a western democratic society , but don’t you dare call it totalitarian .

Moslems frequently beat up gays and lesbians , on several occasions pouring indelible red ink over them , but I beg you not to call it homophobic .

Moslems plot against the rest of Britain , saying that if we don’t tailor domestic and foreign policy to suit them , there could be bombs going off , but come on , they are entitled to think like this because we are oppressing them .

I have lost 3 friends recently ; they all said they don’t want to knock around with me anymore because they find my attitude torwards Islam ‘Pro - Yank , disgusting , and shameful .’ One of them even refers to me as ‘Oh him ; Jew - Lover Eddie.’


26 posted on 10/18/2007 8:29:51 AM PDT by jabbermog
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To: xJones

Appreciate the comment XJones , but causing , or threatening to cause , public disorder , as I did , was technically wrong and I think it only appropriate to point out to FReepers to only resort to it when all else has failed .


27 posted on 10/18/2007 8:35:58 AM PDT by jabbermog
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