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To: Freedom_no_exceptions

I may not agree, but as a private organization, the Boy Scouts should be able to admit whomever they wish.
OTOH, as a private organization, what makes them entitled to free government office space?

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Did you miss the fact, that although the city owns the land, the scouts built the building in 1928, in return for the $1 year rent?


31 posted on 10/18/2007 9:54:51 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: chaosagent

The first sentence in the (poorly-written) article says the building is city-owned. If the scouts own it, I stand corrected. That still doesn’t change my opinion on the below-market rent of government land by a private organization.


63 posted on 10/18/2007 10:04:03 AM PDT by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: chaosagent

The article is confusing. It starts out calling it a “city-owned building.” Then later it mentions the Scouts built the building on city-owned land. Did they build it and give it to the city?


68 posted on 10/18/2007 10:04:44 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: chaosagent

Let me underline this as a common occurrence across the nation. This is exactly the same thing that happened to the Scout facilities in San Diego. The scouts spent millions of dollars to improve the facility that is open to other organizations on a first-come/first-serve basis a fair part of the year.

There was a lawsuit by a family of athiests as I recall who have never even tried to use the facility - and they forced the city to order the scouts out or pay “fair market” rent for the property.

Understand that the scouts received the property with the understanding that they would make improvements to the property, and would receive a break on the lease because of the money they have put into the property to make the improvements.

Also note that San Diego has other similar arrangements with the Girl Scouts and other organizations. The BSA is specifically being targeted because of their requirement of being spiritual.

I imagine that Phili had a similar arrangement, i.e. you make improvements to the property on your dime in liu of rent. Now they renig on the agreement. I assume this gives the scouts the right to tear down the building as they leave? Serve the city right!


92 posted on 10/18/2007 10:12:45 AM PDT by fremont_steve (Milpitas - a great place to be FROM!)
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To: chaosagent
Did you miss the fact, that although the city owns the land, the scouts built the building in 1928, in return for the $1 year rent?

The Scouts should demand the fair market value of the building from the city if the city is going to reneg on the agreement. The taxpayers will love that. Pay for the building and pick up the ongoing costs. They will also have to find someone willing to occupy the building and pay the appropriate rent to cover repayment of the mortgage. Doing otherwise is a "taking" of private property without just compensation.

The improvements on the grounds of Balboa Park have also been financed by the Scouts. They too are owed a fair market payment for the improvements on the property if the city decides to evict them over the shrill demands of the gays.

116 posted on 10/18/2007 10:22:28 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: chaosagent

They’ll probably open a mosque there as soon as the scouts are out.


233 posted on 10/18/2007 11:14:28 AM PDT by mathurine
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