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Vanity (shameless): Did Dingy Harry Reid serve in the military?
MeMyselfAndI ^ | 19 Oct. 2007 | RKV

Posted on 10/19/2007 11:31:13 AM PDT by RKV

Pardon the vanity post, oh admin mod. I just listened to Dingy Harry Reid's comments of today, regarding his pathetic attempt to smear Rush. He is very critical of Rush's deferment from military service. I checked Harry's Senate bio and he make's no reference to military service himself (he sez he was a Capitol Policeman). Being as Harry was born in 1939 that would make him 18 in 1957, the same year as Elvis was drafted (Presley was 22 at the time). So my question is did Dingy Harry serve in the US military? If so, what branch and at what rank and term of service?


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Folks I did make an attempt to find this data without the post here. Harry's Wiki bio and Senate bio are singularly unhelpful in this regard, so please pardon the vanity.
1 posted on 10/19/2007 11:31:18 AM PDT by RKV
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To: RKV
Very few people were drafted from 1957-1963, when Harry Reid was in the most draftable age range.

Elvis' number coming up was a fluke.

2 posted on 10/19/2007 11:34:13 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: RKV

This link says no military service for Reid: http://vote.military.com/military/bio/?id=370


3 posted on 10/19/2007 11:35:15 AM PDT by avacado (Republicans Destroyed Democrats' Most Cherished Institution: SLAVERY!)
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To: wideawake

Hmmm. So Harry didn’t serve and he’s criticizing others who didn’t serve. Not sure where he gets a leg to stand on, but that, of course, never stopped him before.


4 posted on 10/19/2007 11:35:57 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: avacado

Thank you.


5 posted on 10/19/2007 11:36:17 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV
Well, he would probably argue that he never sought a draft deferment in his life while Rush did.
6 posted on 10/19/2007 11:37:33 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
Very few people were drafted from 1957-1963, when Harry Reid was in the most draftable age range.

OK. But surely a super-patriot like Reid could still have volunteered. His happy-talk about the Marine/Law Enforcement Foundation being a great cause may also be a smoke screen. I doubt he's ever contributed.

7 posted on 10/19/2007 11:38:35 AM PDT by gundog
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To: RKV

I was in the first lottery group. My number was 10. I got the same deferment as Rush and for the same reason. If I remember correctly the Army set the rules. In fact the Army doctor told me “ Son, you might live to be 100, but the Army doesn’t want you”


8 posted on 10/19/2007 11:40:39 AM PDT by roj
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To: wideawake

I’m sure he would. Still, I seems a bit shallow to me to hear that kind of criticism coming from a non-veteran. I’m personally in the same boat as Dingy Harry, I registered and got my number (237) and they didn’t pick me (this was 1975 about when Ford was turning off the draft). I sure wouldn’t make hay about someone else’s lack of military service, of course, Harry is a complete @$$ anyway. I was in Nevada just prior to his last election. His signs all said “Independent” - then he comes out as Senate majority leader (i.e. “partisan”).


9 posted on 10/19/2007 11:41:44 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV

He was too busy displaying the advertising space on the bottom of his shoes while he was a boxer..


10 posted on 10/19/2007 11:42:12 AM PDT by vietvet67
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To: gundog
OK. But surely a super-patriot like Reid could still have volunteered.

A Reid booster could say the same about Rush.

Ultimately Reid's argument is unfair, because when he was of prime draft age (1957-1961) very few people were being drafted and when Rush was of prime draft age (1969-1973) many were being drafted.

11 posted on 10/19/2007 11:44:05 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: vietvet67

That is pretty damn funny. And fitting.


12 posted on 10/19/2007 11:45:43 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: wideawake
Selective Service records indicate that 783,416 men were drafted between 1957 through 1963. This was substantially less than the number of draftees during comparable periods encompassing the peak Korean and Vietnam War years, of course.
13 posted on 10/19/2007 11:45:48 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: avacado

Guess that’s why he thinks he knows more and knows better than career military men in the field.


14 posted on 10/19/2007 11:46:55 AM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: RKV

What does it really matter? Even if he had won the Medal of Honor, someone would still villify him.


15 posted on 10/19/2007 11:47:07 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: wideawake

“Well, he would probably argue that he never sought a draft deferment in his life while Rush did.”

I have a lot of experience with the draft resistance and draft manipulation.

In my opinion the medical deferment does not leave any room for argument, once it is given by, or accepted by the draft board, there is not much room to argue against it.

The medical deferment is the only one that also shuts down the complaint that the draft has nothing to do with enlisting, somebody can be personally suspicious of, or annoyed by a medical deferment, but there is no solid ground to make a real argument concerning it.


16 posted on 10/19/2007 11:48:22 AM PDT by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets.)
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To: roj

Same here. My number was 8, and my knees had had several dislocations. When the doc put me on the table and manipulated my knee, it sounded like a person walking on a box of rice crispies. I thought I’d get a 1-Y, but he wrote, 4-F and said, “you’re knees are too bad.”


17 posted on 10/19/2007 11:48:36 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: stuartcr

Agreed, I just like to be calibrated when all the mud-slinging gets going. Murtha is proof that being a decorated combat veteran (also McGovern) doesn’t mean you have the right of a particular argument.


18 posted on 10/19/2007 11:49:07 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: riverdawg
Selective Service records indicate that 783,416 men were drafted between 1957 through 1963. This was substantially less than the number of draftees during comparable periods encompassing the peak Korean and Vietnam War years, of course.

Indeed.

And being drafted in 1957 meant spending a two-year enlistment either in the US or Germany for most draftees - not risk of actual combat in the jungles of Southeast Asia.

19 posted on 10/19/2007 11:50:52 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake

Actually, about the same number of men were drafted between 1957 and 1961 as between 1969 and 1973 (about 600,000).


20 posted on 10/19/2007 11:54:10 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: riverdawg

Thanks for the correction.


21 posted on 10/19/2007 11:55:35 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: roj
I was in the first lottery group. My number was 10. I got the same deferment as Rush and for the same reason. If I remember correctly the Army set the rules. In fact the Army doctor told me “ Son, you might live to be 100, but the Army doesn’t want you”

I'm curious about that whole deferment process.I,too,was in the first lottery and my number...327...was drawn while I was at Fort Knox in basic training.

When one had an ailment that could cause the Armed Forces to reject you did military screening doctors themselves confirm the ailment or were they willing to accept a letter from a private physician?

.... "Dear US Army,my patient,John Smith,suffers from malaria,fallen arches,schizophrenia,bad breath and/or cancer.Please excuse him from serving in the Army.Signed,James Jones MD".

P.S.,in spite of how it might seem,I'm not trying to be a wiseguy here.I fully accept what you say about the Army not wanting you and I'm sure that most medical deferments were legitimate and not due to crooked doctors or cowardly potential draftees.

22 posted on 10/19/2007 12:00:11 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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To: RKV

He stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, though.


23 posted on 10/19/2007 12:02:34 PM PDT by JennysCool (Don't taze me, Bro!)
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To: RKV
I was born the same year as Dingy Harry, 1939. The Korean war ended just before I got out of High School and I married at 19 and had two daughters by the time I was 21. Viet Nam was just getting going good but they were not interested in a married father with two kids. So, in short, I was willing to go but not wanted. I hope, if I ever run for office, that would not be held against me. (sarcasm)
24 posted on 10/19/2007 12:03:33 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: wideawake

And being drafted in 1957 meant spending a two-year enlistment either in the US or Germany for most draftees - not risk of actual combat in the jungles of Southeast Asia. ................... Being the same age as Reid, he would have probably been called up for the Berlin Crisis. Kennedy drafted 240K for that one, and a year later, the Cuban Crisis mean’t more draftees. The big over seas assignment areas were Korea and Germany at the time. If he received a deferment, he could have been sent to RVN in the mid 60’s.


25 posted on 10/19/2007 12:04:36 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Staying home or voting 3rd Party, Elects Hillary!)
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To: RKV
He did not....and there is a good r4eason why:

Reid was born in the small mining town of Searchlight, Nevada to Inez and Harry V. Reid.[2] Reid attended Basic High School in Henderson, Nevada. Mike O'Callaghan, future Governor of Nevada and Reid's history teacher, coached Reid in boxing at the Henderson Boys' Club.[3] Reid's friends in Searchlight dubbed him "Pinky" because of his fair complexion.[4]

Reid received his A.S. from Southern Utah State College in 1959 and in 1961 earned his B.S. from Utah State University. He moved to Washington, D.C. and worked as an officer for the U.S. Capitol Police while attending George Washington University for his law degree. Reid graduated in 1964 and returned to Nevada to work as a lawyer before entering politics. Reid is married to Landra Gould.[5] Reid and his wife have five children, one of whom, Rory Reid, is an elected Commissioner for Clark County, Nevada, and another who recently ran for municipal office in Cottonwood Heights, Utah.[6]

Pinky because he was a commie, a wuss or just gay ?

26 posted on 10/19/2007 12:05:07 PM PDT by Bommer (“He that controls the spice controls the universe!” (unfortunately that spice is Nutmeg!))
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To: wideawake

Most of us in that period did our duty and served - - it was a different world.


27 posted on 10/19/2007 12:06:40 PM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have .chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: wideawake

Actually, I think Elvis’ number did not litterally come up, he just was not eligible for deferments apparently. There were no draft lotteries from 1942 until 1969.

Thus Reid missing out on military service was more likely due to deferments the same as Cheney. BTW, here are the number of inductees during the years you listed for Limbaugh, 589,938, and here are the number of inductees during the years you listed for Reid. 582,091. That almost 8,000 difference is less 1.3%. (There were more up front in the Limbaugh years when he might have been in his last year of high school, while in the Reid year it was a bit more evenly spread out.) During Limbaugh’s time frame there were draftt lotteries.


28 posted on 10/19/2007 12:09:11 PM PDT by JLS
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To: RKV

Har! I didn’t get until you made me look again. Har-dee-har-har! :)


29 posted on 10/19/2007 12:14:21 PM PDT by ghostrider
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To: Beckwith
Most of us in that period did our duty and served - - it was a different world.

It must have been.

But I would guess that the people coming of age in 1956 grew up admiring the US military in a formative period of their lives - their childhoods were spent with the US on a war footing (rationing, etc.) and it was a commonly observed phenomenon that many graduates went to college only after they served in the military. Also, it was peacetime.

Many of those coming of age in 1966 remembered only postwar prosperity and thought they were entitled to a college education and the good life - the notion of "the man" snatching them off campus and packing them off to an hionest-to-goodness shooting war was almost bound to provoke the reaction it did.

30 posted on 10/19/2007 12:16:31 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: avacado

I beg to differ.

Harry R served as a field dummy on the bayonette practice range.

I also understand he was dispatched to retrieve unexploded ordnance
on the artillery range. Or was that Max Cleland? Hmmmm.

MV


31 posted on 10/19/2007 12:18:43 PM PDT by madvlad ((Born in the south, raised around the globe and STILL republican))
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To: Gay State Conservative

No this was an Army doctor. I had no idea that I had this condition. This was my Senior year in college. I was scheduled to be married right after graduation. I had contacted the various branches about enlisting. They all told me to wait until I passed my physical. My point is Dirty Harry was saying Rush avoided service when it was the Army that said he did not qualify just like me.


32 posted on 10/19/2007 12:19:24 PM PDT by roj
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To: RKV
Among other things Dingy Harry has never done and has no authority to criticize those who have:

Served as President of the United States in a war.

Hosted a successful radio talk-show.

Obtained a favorable political rating higher than 30%.

33 posted on 10/19/2007 12:20:47 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: RKV

Considering the general lack of military experience in the Republican leadership it probably isn’t that wise to question the lack of military experience in the Democrat leadership.


34 posted on 10/19/2007 12:23:32 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: wideawake

Good guess - - and yes, I remember ration books (created one hell of a black market).

The difference between war babies and baby boomers.


35 posted on 10/19/2007 12:25:15 PM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have .chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: RKV

Harry was still hiding behind his momma probably then...just as he hides behind Dancy Nancy now.


36 posted on 10/19/2007 12:26:17 PM PDT by donnab (saving liberals brains....one moron at a time.)
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To: Bommer

All three!

LLS


37 posted on 10/19/2007 12:31:18 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: wideawake
Very few people were drafted from 1957-1963, when Harry Reid was in the most draftable age range.

As I recall everyone during those times who was single was drafted. Most guys that were drafted in those days were older. Only the guys who volunteered for the draft and enlistee's were younger than about 22-24 yrs of age.

38 posted on 10/19/2007 12:31:32 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: roj
My point is Dirty Harry was saying Rush avoided service when it was the Army that said he did not qualify just like me.

Yes,I understand that Reid,and many others,have questioned the legitimacy of whatever deferment Rush received back then.And I understand what you said about the Army doctor having the final say regarding who is and who is not fit to serve...assuming that said doctor is complying with Army Medical Corps regulations that might be in effect at the time.

39 posted on 10/19/2007 12:33:57 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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To: wideawake

Very few people were drafted from 1957-1963, when Harry Reid was in the most draftable age range.
*******

B.S.


40 posted on 10/19/2007 12:34:30 PM PDT by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: toddlintown
People with manners already addressed this in posts 20 and 38.

Have a wonderful day!

41 posted on 10/19/2007 12:35:59 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Non-Sequitur

What should a Republican do if a dim that never served attacks a Republcan that never served?

LLS


42 posted on 10/19/2007 12:37:43 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Harry, the real estate mogul, Reid has serious Mafia connections. He got an exemption from the Godfather.


43 posted on 10/19/2007 12:43:22 PM PDT by safetysign
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To: LibLieSlayer
What should a Republican do if a dim that never served attacks a Republcan that never served?

Laugh about the hypocrisy of it all?

44 posted on 10/19/2007 12:44:05 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: vietvet67

He was a boxer????


45 posted on 10/19/2007 12:45:49 PM PDT by stevio ((NRA))
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To: wideawake
Very few people were drafted from 1957-1963...

Very few? I sure don't know about that. I can think of dozens of guys I knew who were either drafted or joined because they knew they would be drafted. Enlistments tended to be up in those years as well -- no 'shooting' war and the idea of being in the military was popular with young men in that generation raised during WWII and the examples of older brothers, uncles etc. who had served during the big War and came home with the GI Bill. Thinking back, I can recall very few men of that generation who I knew who didn't spend time in the military or as a member of the Guard or Reserves. Here's the stats from Selective Service for those years. They averaged over 125,000 per year.

 

Inductions (by year) from World War I through the end of the draft (1973)

Year: Number of Inductions

1917:
1918:
1940:
1941:
1942:
1943:
1944:
1945:
1946:
1947:
1948: 
1949:
1950:
1951:
1952:
1953:
1954:
1955:
1956:
1957:
1958:
1959:
1960:
1961:
1962:
1963:
1964:
1965:
1966:
1967:
1968:
1969:
1970:
1971:
1972:

1973:

516,212
2,294,084
18,633
923,842
3,033,361
3,323,970
1,591,942
945,862
183,383
0
20,348
9,781
219,771
551,806
438,479
471,806
253,230
152,777
137,940
138,504
142,246
96,153
86,602
118,586
82,060
119,265
112,386
230,991
382,010
228,263
296,406
283,586
162,746
94,092
49,514
 646

 


46 posted on 10/19/2007 12:52:55 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: Ditto; toddlintown
Thanks for the correction and the numerical breakout - very enlightening.

Toddlintown, learn a lesson.

I certainly have.

47 posted on 10/19/2007 12:54:35 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake

I think Harry Reid is detestable to the highest degree, but in 1957, we were hardly threatened by hostilities. The draft was only used to keep costs down. Elvis took a BIG pay cut!


48 posted on 10/19/2007 1:05:22 PM PDT by Ace's Dad ("but every now and then, the Dragon comes to call")
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To: RKV

As I recall, one could be disqualified for “extreme ugliness”... dunno if this applied to Dingy Harry or not.


49 posted on 10/19/2007 1:05:43 PM PDT by coldoc
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To: Ditto; riverdawg; Bringbackthedraft; JLS; toddlintown
Hmmm . . . so if I read the numbers you supplied correctly, this means that in the year Rush was first eligible for the draft more than twice as many men were drafted as were drafted in Reid's first year of eligibility. That's a palpable difference.

Thanks again for breaking it out.

50 posted on 10/19/2007 1:05:55 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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