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Scientist Suspended for Race Remarks Also Discussed 'Defective' Children
Cybercast News ^ | 10-19-07 | Patrick Goodenough

Posted on 10/20/2007 8:12:48 AM PDT by yankeesdoodle

Noting that some abnormalities are not discovered until after birth, he suggested that a baby should not be considered legally alive immediately on being born.

"If a child were not declared alive until three days after birth, then all parents could be allowed the choice that only a few are given under the present system," he said. "The doctor could allow the child to die if the parents so chose and save a lot of misery and suffering."

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KEYWORDS: abortion; dna; eugenics; genetics; handicaps; moralabsolutes; neonazi; nobelprize; prolife; race
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This guy is just a treasure trove of offensive one-liners. He should get a cable show.
1 posted on 10/20/2007 8:12:49 AM PDT by yankeesdoodle
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To: yankeesdoodle
This guy is just a treasure trove of offensive one-liners. He should get a cable show.

But wait, isn't he a Nobel Laureate? They should rename it "Your Great Learning Has Made You Insane" Prize.

As for the remarks, that's where science will take you every time, when you believe you're an animal.

2 posted on 10/20/2007 8:16:08 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: yankeesdoodle

Apparently, “defects” don’t show up in some people until they’re 79.


3 posted on 10/20/2007 8:16:11 AM PDT by phrogphlyer
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To: phrogphlyer

ZING!
You win the prize for best post of the thread!


4 posted on 10/20/2007 8:17:55 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time .)
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To: yankeesdoodle

He’d have fit in well with some of Hitler’s scientist, and he’s living proof that superior cognitive ability, higher learning, and academic success may not stop someone from being ideologically evil. A fine mind may not always produce morals and manners.


5 posted on 10/20/2007 8:18:18 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (RUN Paul - a man proudly putting al Qaeda's interest ahead of America's.)
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To: yankeesdoodle

Why the 3 day cutoff? Lets say your kid gets some disease when she’s 3 years. It would save a lot of money if we could just kill her.


6 posted on 10/20/2007 8:19:50 AM PDT by live+let_live
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To: netmilsmom

I was #3, I think it might be a little early. But thanks. =)


7 posted on 10/20/2007 8:20:24 AM PDT by phrogphlyer
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To: yankeesdoodle
He's not saying anything that the head of ethics at Princeton (Peter Singer) hasn't already said. Notice it took the racial remarks to get him canned, not the "let babies, (whom he deems defective), die" remarks.

Both men are "defective" by my standards.
8 posted on 10/20/2007 8:20:27 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: yankeesdoodle
I really do NOT understand what alllll this fuss is about. This man is clearly defining what was supremely made LAW to be taught in evolutionary biology classes.

Of course there will be many a sneering to be heard trying to HIDE what that system or also know scientific methodology created by the most fit to survive. See the deal is the ‘most fit’ gets the first welfare hand out, thus they are willing to pass out for those who through the evolutionary process did not quite get what they got, their welfare penitence.

9 posted on 10/20/2007 8:21:32 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: yankeesdoodle

His views are the logical conclusion of evolutionists; just that he is willing to say it out loud.


10 posted on 10/20/2007 8:21:37 AM PDT by sobieski
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To: yankeesdoodle

He’s gotta’ little Hitler in him...


11 posted on 10/20/2007 8:21:46 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: yankeesdoodle

To a Demoncrat this should be an acceptable position. Abortion-on-demand, euthanasia, infanticide. Just one more peg in their Culture-of-Death advocacy.


12 posted on 10/20/2007 8:22:48 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: yankeesdoodle
>Dr. James Watson, who won a Nobel Prize for the discovery of the structure of DNA, holds controversial views on subjects such as genetic modification, aborting babies with abnormalities -- and even allowing infants born with "defects" to die


A James D. Watson Skinhead Thug Goodbye
13 posted on 10/20/2007 8:23:07 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: sobieski

sobieski wrote: “His views are the logical conclusion of evolutionists; just that he is willing to say it out loud.”

Agreed. Survival of the fittest, right? If we are only machines, without a soul, why keep a defective one around?


14 posted on 10/20/2007 8:25:35 AM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: yankeesdoodle
"an unthinkable catastrophe -- a human being born flawed, perhaps unimaginably so, owing to our manipulation of his or her genes."

But, he went on to say, even if some lives are put at risk at the start of the experimentation, "we should give serious consideration to germ-line gene therapy."


Liberals and their ends justifies the means, all morals are relative, there is no God, way of thinking has killed millions of people throughout history. Liberals' way of thinking has killed more people than Watson could ever hope to save.
15 posted on 10/20/2007 8:28:04 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: yankeesdoodle

BUT BUT BUT the abortion crowd says it has NOTHING to do with eugenics to weed out “defectives”.


16 posted on 10/20/2007 8:30:06 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: yankeesdoodle
"The doctor could allow the child to die if the parents so chose and save a lot of misery and suffering."

Interesting choice of words to skate around that whole murder thing.

How does he propose that this actually be done?

17 posted on 10/20/2007 8:30:45 AM PDT by Recovering Hermit ("A liberal feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money.")
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To: yankeesdoodle
Why 3 years old?
There are a bunch of abnormalities that don’t show up until later.
Why not 30? Yeah, I like that.

We will declare liberalism a disease and then just hang everyone promoting such views.
Never thought of that consequence?

It is a poor weapon that doesn’t point both ways

18 posted on 10/20/2007 8:32:24 AM PDT by bill1952 ("all that we do is done with an eye towards something else." - Aristotle)
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To: bill1952

I see the strange case of Mssr. Watson verifying the actual laws of social darwinism functioning as they should in a technological society. Social darwinism as originally envisioned by its fascist oligarchical plutocrat gangsters was to be the sandbox of ectomorph foxhole hoppers. This emphatically Conan point of view impaled itself upon a technologically literate society in which the media of communication are now the actual battlegrounds in the “war of interpretive frameworks”. Mssrs. Conan and Watson are moving their pieces on a new gameboard in which interpersonal and communicative stupidity is a terminal condition. Tune in to Jerry Springer to see the new extinct species.


19 posted on 10/20/2007 9:02:00 AM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui (Social Darwinism Yah Right)
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To: elhombrelibre
He’d have fit in well with some of Hitler’s scientist, and he’s living proof that superior cognitive ability, higher learning, and academic success may not stop someone from being ideologically evil. A fine mind may not always produce morals and manners.

Watson's right in the mainstream of modern bioethicists on the infanticide issue. That opinion will earn him plaudits amongst the lefties. But he made the mistake of not keeping his non-PC opinions to himself on race and IQ.

20 posted on 10/20/2007 9:14:15 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: yankeesdoodle; All

What is the name of the college professor who said the same thing, that babies could be “murdered” after they were born? IIRC, he’s still teaching.


21 posted on 10/20/2007 9:16:53 AM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: peggybac; socialismisinsidious

See post # 8.


22 posted on 10/20/2007 9:40:15 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: yankeesdoodle
  • the 79-year-old geneticist was quoted ... that he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours -- whereas all the testing says not really." ... "people who have to deal with black employees find this not true,"

  • he reportedly has made ... remarks that people with darker skin have a stronger sex drive...

  • and that fat people lack ambition.


This guy needs a Cable Show - or a padded cell.

(then again he's got a point about fat people)

23 posted on 10/20/2007 9:41:53 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: Recovering Hermit

Unfortunately, they already have that figured out.

Terri Schiavo.


24 posted on 10/20/2007 9:43:23 AM PDT by FReepapalooza
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To: peggybac
What is the name of the college professor

Peter Singer...he's at Princeton.

25 posted on 10/20/2007 10:24:42 AM PDT by syriacus (Christians are told to forgive others. Leftists THRIVE on bearing grudges at home and abroad.)
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To: syriacus

Thanks!


26 posted on 10/20/2007 10:36:12 AM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

Thanks - I totally read right through that.


27 posted on 10/20/2007 10:37:32 AM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

np :)


28 posted on 10/20/2007 10:42:43 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: yankeesdoodle

Didn’t Margaret Sanger, who founded Planned Parenthood, hold the same views about race and abortion as Watson has expressed? Why are people still supporting her work?

It’s all about some so called “smart” person deciding who lives and dies, who is allowed to procreate, etc. Social programs have resulted in high taxation which discourages people who are successful and pay more taxes from having more children. So isn’t this contradictory to Sanger’s intent? If you are going to support what Margaret Sanger believed, then LOWER TAXES, don’t raise them to support liberal programs like Planned Parenthood.


29 posted on 10/20/2007 10:50:59 AM PDT by LongTimeMILurker
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To: yankeesdoodle

Amazingly, I heard some guy on the local Houston radio (950, I think) discussing this.

We humans talk about how smart a golden retriever is, or how dumb a cocker spaniel is, or how high-strung a chihuahua, or pomeranian is.

They are all dogs. With 99.whatever % of the same DNA.

We’re all humans. With 99.whatever % of the same DNA.

Why can’t we be different like them?

We say the same thing about birds, cats, TREES, GRASS, etc. Why can’t we SAY the same thing that’s TRUE either way?

Now, I’m not saying that Africans are not as smart as Europeans. What I’m saying is, it’s not wrong to say what you BELIEVE.

Now, I’m not saying what he’s said isn’t offensive, but then again, I’m part of the HUMAN race, and we tend to get offended from time to time. (Despite the fact that some want to outlaw that).


30 posted on 10/20/2007 11:00:17 AM PDT by Ro_Thunder ("Other than ending SLAVERY, FASCISM, NAZISM and COMMUNISM, war has never solved anything")
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To: LongTimeMILurker

exactly. Only let the geniuses live. Right. I watch that show— Dirty Jobs, on the Discovery channel, and it’s funny— about 99% of the jobs out there that keep the world humming along don’t take doctorates. If we went out into space, and wanted to terraform a planet, would we send college professors? No. You’d need plumbers, construction workers, steel workers, farmers, forklift operators, etc. Look at who started this country. Hard-working people with strong backs.


31 posted on 10/20/2007 11:02:14 AM PDT by yankeesdoodle
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To: sobieski; CitizenUSA
His views are the logical conclusion of evolutionists; just that he is willing to say it out loud.

His views are completely contrary to evolutionary theory. Under evolutionary theory, natural selection is the decider. He is advocating that man be the decider. That's not consistent with the theory or Darwin's personal views. In fact, it would turn natural selection on its head.

32 posted on 10/20/2007 11:47:25 AM PDT by freespirited (I'm voting for the GOP nominee.)
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To: yankeesdoodle

One day before birth, 3 days after? Really, is there any difference? I suppose if some states want to allow 3 day later abortions, that would be OK under the new definition of Federalism, huh?

//bitter sarcasm, because it is going to become all too real one day soon...

= (


33 posted on 10/20/2007 12:33:22 PM PDT by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: bill1952
Why not 30? Yeah, I like that.

How very Logan's Run and Carousel.

34 posted on 10/20/2007 12:36:36 PM PDT by Surtur (Free Trade is NOT Fair Trade unless both economies are equivalent.)
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To: freespirited

They only support evolutionary theory because it places doubt on the existence of God, who threatens the authority of the Stalinists who seek sole power over the human mind.

Otherwise, they want us to devolve and result in less intelligent people who they can fool politically.


35 posted on 10/20/2007 1:20:36 PM PDT by LongTimeMILurker
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To: freespirited

How so? A more ‘fit’ person decides that a ‘less fit’ will no longer receive societal resources. That’s the very definistion of Evolutionist Fundamentalism: Those who can out compete. Those who can’t, die.


36 posted on 10/20/2007 1:22:47 PM PDT by sobieski
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To: Surtur
>How very Logan's Run and Carousel

Nah.. In those cases you had to die at 30.

I'm just widening the parameters of his proposal.

37 posted on 10/20/2007 1:27:39 PM PDT by bill1952 ("all that we do is done with an eye towards something else." - Aristotle)
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To: yankeesdoodle
This guy is just a treasure trove of offensive one-liners.
He should get a cable show.


This current episode is sort of suprising.

In a previous life when I was in graduate school, a couple of my
profs had met Watson at various functions.

They said he was pretty loud in mouthing off with lurid comments
on the ladies.

I figured he'd brought down by a sex-discrimination lawsuit,
not a racial-IQ comment.
38 posted on 10/20/2007 1:38:08 PM PDT by VOA
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To: sobieski
How so? A more ‘fit’ person decides that a ‘less fit’ will no longer receive societal resources. That’s the very definistion of Evolutionist Fundamentalism:

No it isn't. Under evolutionary theory, man decides nothing. Mother Nature decides everything. A process driven by man is artifical; contrary to nature. It is the opposite of natural selection--it is unnatural selection.

Those who can out compete. Those who can’t, die.

True, the ability to compete is part of what drives selection. But it is not the only factor. It is more useful to think in terms of suitability for a particular environment. For example, imagine a person who is a great competitor. But if he has a condition that makes him unable to tolerate weather conditions during part of the year where he is living, he will not be well suited to that environment, and unless he can migrate, he is at high risk of being selected out. By nature. Not by man. That's natural selection.

39 posted on 10/20/2007 1:55:58 PM PDT by freespirited (I'm voting for the GOP nominee.)
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To: Ro_Thunder

Some years ago there was an Ontario scientist (I think London University) who conducted extensive studies on racial intelligence. His conclusions were yellow race had slightly higher average IQ then white race and then black race a little lower again.

He also was crucified based on hysteria without any factual discussion.

This is not the way to deal with controversial subjects. It does not inspire confidence with a rational thinking person that the truth is upheld.


40 posted on 10/20/2007 4:37:27 PM PDT by Janusz
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To: freespirited

Human children are completely helpless. If people decide they are unfit, they are unfit and do not get resources. That’s evolution; it doesn’t matter that we are smart. It’s still all about fitness and competition for resources. You don’t make your parents happy, you don’t pass your genes along.


41 posted on 10/20/2007 5:20:49 PM PDT by sobieski
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To: yankeesdoodle

STUPID NOBEL LAUREATE COMMENT OF THE DAY.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SEFAKG0&show_article=1

“Stupid is as stupid does.”-Forrest Gump


42 posted on 10/22/2007 1:51:20 PM PDT by LongTimeMILurker
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To: Coleus; wagglebee

ping


43 posted on 10/22/2007 1:55:27 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: yankeesdoodle

Gattaca

Excerpt:

During this time society analyzes your DNA and determines where you belong in life. Ethan Hawke's character was born with a congenital heart condition which would cast him out of getting a chance to travel in space.

Excerpt:

Vincent is one of the last "natural" babies born into a sterile, genetically-enhanced world, where life expectancy and disease likelihood are ascertained at birth. Myopic and due to die at 30, he has no chance of a career in a society that now discriminates against your genes, instead of your gender, race or religion.

44 posted on 10/22/2007 1:58:07 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: yankeesdoodle; Calpernia; 230FMJ; 49th; 50mm; 69ConvertibleFirebird; Aleighanne; Alexander Rubin; ..
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45 posted on 10/22/2007 3:40:15 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: cgk; Coleus; cpforlife.org; narses; 8mmMauser
Pro-Life Ping

This is so sick, I don't even no where to start:

Noting that some abnormalities are not discovered until after birth, he suggested that a baby should not be considered legally alive immediately on being born.

46 posted on 10/22/2007 3:41:38 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: yankeesdoodle

He’s a real winner, isn’t he? ><


47 posted on 10/22/2007 3:47:33 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: wagglebee

I’m waiting for some posters to come to his defense now that another aspect of his feelings of superiority come to light.


48 posted on 10/22/2007 4:17:08 PM PDT by kenth
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To: kenth

He sounds like a typical Darwinist following in the footsteps of Margaret Sanger, Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Rachel Carson.


49 posted on 10/22/2007 4:19:18 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: yankeesdoodle

Someone should inform the doctor that this is *not* Sparta.


50 posted on 10/22/2007 8:28:56 PM PDT by Marie (Unintended consequences.)
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