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What Would a Ron Paul Presidency Really Be Like?

Posted on 10/20/2007 1:49:17 PM PDT by no nau

True to his word, Ron Paul abolishes the IRS, the CIA, the border patrol, and calls all military personnel stateside to serve as border guards.

Problems immediately start to arise. The income tax code is still law, but with no enforcement agency, people soon just stop paying taxes. Congress tries to implement supplementary measures, but ultimately enforcement is the duty of the Executive and the Paul Administration has announced they will pursue no enforcement of income or payroll tax collection.

The US government goes bankrupt in the first year of the Paul Presidency. Social Security and Medicare benefits cease to be provided. Many of the old and disabled are forced to steal to survive. However, with the Paul Presidency endorsing the right of property owners to kill on sight such plunderers, hundreds of such people are killed each day.

Meanwhile, the military cannot be funded. There is no money for logistics -- much less for member benefits. The Congress is forced to enact conscripted service legislation which Ron Paul signs (perhaps he realizes a veto will be overridden anyway). However, these conscripted members are given almost no pay or benefits and are working as virtual slaves. Military moral is at a horrific low, of course, and corruption, chaos, and desertion being the rule in the military. There is no ability of the military to accomplish its only duty under a Paul Presidency -- serve as border guards.

Meanwhile, Islamic militantism is emboldened. They step up attacks around the world. In the second year of the Paul Presidency, they sneak suitcase nukes into New York and Washington DC and detonate them. Hundreds of thousands of lives are lost with untold others critically injured. The hospitals have already been overrun with the Paul Presidency destitute seeking benefits, and have no way to deal with the injured. An already severely crippled country descends into complete chaos. A Ron Paul goal has been accomplished. There is effectively no federal government.

The Nation fractures into local ad hoc governments and is overrun with foreign squatters. Many areas of the former US have been claimed by militant Islamics who institute Sharia law. The federal government has no power and is merely a figurehead institute. Ron Paul proclaims that this what the founding fathers envisioned and his job is done.


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1 posted on 10/20/2007 1:49:19 PM PDT by no nau
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To: no nau
What Would a Ron Paul Presidency Really Be Like?

It would look like Pelosi's reign! All promises and no votes or support to carry them out.

2 posted on 10/20/2007 1:52:17 PM PDT by Bommer (“He that controls the spice controls the universe!” (unfortunately that spice is Nutmeg!))
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To: no nau

Fill your hand you son of a b-—h!

Ha! Ha! I agree with you (maybe not to that extent), but I think I’ll stick around and watch the fireworks!


3 posted on 10/20/2007 1:53:04 PM PDT by loreldan (Without coffee I am nothing.)
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To: no nau

Little quiet at the HilaryCare HQ??

Pray for W and Our Troops


4 posted on 10/20/2007 1:53:36 PM PDT by bray (Think "Betray U.S." Think Democrat)
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To: no nau

A conservative dream come true. The globalist establishment would be rocked. Multinational corporate interests would be stunned. The elites would be scrambling for their shrinking opportunities to bend the government to their will. The Republic would have a chance to be restored.


5 posted on 10/20/2007 1:56:15 PM PDT by Old 300
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To: no nau
Ironically, your screenname is "no nau." Paul is the only candidate who has publicly spoken out against this.
6 posted on 10/20/2007 1:58:57 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("Just 3 hours a day with Rudy Guiliani is all I ask" -- Sean Hannity is on!)
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To: no nau
Yea, but drugs would be legal so we could all get stoned....

Luckily, most of the nutty things Paul wants to do would have to originate in congress, not the executive.

7 posted on 10/20/2007 2:01:05 PM PDT by mnehring (Who is Chris Peden? http://www.chrispeden.org/)
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To: no nau
What Would a Ron Paul Presidency Really Be Like?

All 50 States withdraw from the Federation and Ron Paul would be President of the District of Columbia whereupon the blacks would chase him out.

8 posted on 10/20/2007 2:01:07 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Tancredo and Hunter have, as well. Unfortunately they do not grasp how much support they have given the same globalist forces with their backing of the RealID (and other Bill of Rights violating bills) which they have either helped author or have voted enthusiastically for.


9 posted on 10/20/2007 2:01:40 PM PDT by Old 300
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Do you only get your news from Rupert Murdoch, who has a house in China, and has given the communist government there concessions in order to obtain access to their markets?


10 posted on 10/20/2007 2:02:40 PM PDT by Old 300
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To: no nau

Believe me, Congress isn’t going to quit that easily.

Seeing that no one is paying the hated income tax, Congress could get it’s act together, abolish the income tax, and institute a national sales tax.


11 posted on 10/20/2007 2:03:09 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; no nau
Now, EEE, you know Paul would just sneak in NAU funding through some back door method that he says he opposes but he knows will pass... just like he did funding for the Trans Texas Corridor (first leg of the NAU highway)
12 posted on 10/20/2007 2:03:39 PM PDT by mnehring (Who is Chris Peden? http://www.chrispeden.org/)
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To: no nau

I thought Libertarians were for open borders? Did I miss something?


13 posted on 10/20/2007 2:05:25 PM PDT by kjo
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The sales tax doesn't go far enough, and it tampers with our right to buy and sell without government intervention. The real issue is monetary policy. A large portion of our income taxes (and our sales taxes if they replaced them) go to paying private cartel banks in the Federal Reserve system interest on money we could have been printing four ourselves.

Ron Paul would strive to eliminate the federal reserve, bring government back to a gold or silver-backed currency that it could not abuse with inflation in order to fund programs it didn't have the cash to support in the first place. Two problems solved at once. Further, he'd abolish the IRS as well.

14 posted on 10/20/2007 2:05:36 PM PDT by Old 300
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To: no nau
There is no link to this piece. Did you write it?

If you didn't, read no further.

If you did... I don't know whether or not you smoke weed, but I recommend you try the exact opposite!

15 posted on 10/20/2007 2:06:07 PM PDT by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: Old 300

I am Rupert Murdoch and I’m hiding in your house.


16 posted on 10/20/2007 2:06:33 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: no nau

Vetos. Lots of vetos.


17 posted on 10/20/2007 2:07:18 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (No Third Term For Bill Clinton!)
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To: Tall_Texan

More vetos than an Italian family reunion.


18 posted on 10/20/2007 2:07:48 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (No Third Term For Bill Clinton!)
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To: no nau

We’ll never know.


19 posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:08 PM PDT by RightWhale (50 years later we're still sitting on the ground)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Want some tea? Let’s talk! I have some advice about this Sean Hannity guy. What’s with his continual coddling of Giuliani?


20 posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:09 PM PDT by Old 300
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To: Old 300; MNJohnnie
OK, this question has been asked over and over and over with no answer.. but... specifically HOW will he do this?
21 posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:36 PM PDT by mnehring (Who is Chris Peden? http://www.chrispeden.org/)
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To: no nau
Many areas of the former US have been claimed by militant Islamics who institute Sharia law.

Good to see you have such faith in the citizens of the respective states. What color is the sky in your world that even if the federal government dissolved completely (which it wouldn't under Dr. Paul's leadership) that the citizens themselves wouldn't stand up to these crazed Islamic groups (which are about as evident as the flying pig just outside my window)? Have all our guns been taken mysteriously overnight?

Considering these Islamic groups will not have access to major military equipment, and no ability to transport major numbers over here either, how exactly are they going to do it?

22 posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:41 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: RightWhale

That’s the truth.


23 posted on 10/20/2007 2:09:46 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: Bommer

Exactly,

1. The CIA and IRS would still exist as Congress would still fund them and any Paul veto would be over ridden.

2. If Paul refused to enforce the law for example to pay social security or collect taxes, he would be impeached and removed as he should be.


24 posted on 10/20/2007 2:09:54 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Hey Rupert, long time no chat. How is that new channel coming along.. you know, the business channel that brainwashes to think that big business is a good thing and secretly funds the military industrial complex?

//sarc


25 posted on 10/20/2007 2:10:07 PM PDT by mnehring (Who is Chris Peden? http://www.chrispeden.org/)
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To: mnehrling

Suggest you read his writings, and watch his speeches which are available on Youtube. It’s worth the time to find out why he’s so-well loved.


26 posted on 10/20/2007 2:10:53 PM PDT by Old 300
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To: Old 300; MNJohnnie
I’ve read his writing and speeches and it is a bunch of rhetoric with no detail. He talks more than a woman. Like a lot of things though, it is how we say here in Texas, all hat, no saddle.

But what do you expect from a moderate libertarian who tries to be all things to all people..

27 posted on 10/20/2007 2:12:33 PM PDT by mnehring (Who is Chris Peden? http://www.chrispeden.org/)
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To: Old 300

But his open borders policy would make the problems with illegal immigration even worse. There isn’t a problem out there that isn’t made worse by illegal immigration: murders, deaths cause by drunken driving, overcrowded schools having to provide special teachers for the children of illegal immigrants, welfare, hospitals used as free clinics, ad nauseum.


28 posted on 10/20/2007 2:12:38 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Old 300
It’s worth the time to find out why he’s so-well loved.

That's what we need - a politician we can looove. Oh, I'm getting tingly - where's the voting booth, I need privacy.

29 posted on 10/20/2007 2:13:39 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Blood of Tyrants

He does not have an open borders policy. That’s a myth. You have to read his comments very carefully on that matter. He wants to close the border, but he understands that welfare entitlements for aliens are what is drawing and keeping illegal aliens here. He would definitely do better with border security than any of the current candidates except for Hunter and Tancredo, and they would be much weaker on the fiscal aspects of the problem.


30 posted on 10/20/2007 2:14:10 PM PDT by Old 300
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To: vbmoneyspender

Do you love the Constitution, or not?


31 posted on 10/20/2007 2:14:31 PM PDT by Old 300
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To: mnehrling
Yea, but drugs would be legal so we could all get stoned....

Drugs are already illegal and people are still getting stoned. (BTW - Paul's not in favor of legalizing drugs just decriminalizing marijuana and hemp at the federal level and let states write their own laws) What's your point?

Luckily, most of the nutty things Paul wants to do would have to originate in congress, not the executive.

Then you have nothing to worry about, right?

32 posted on 10/20/2007 2:15:36 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("Just 3 hours a day with Rudy Guiliani is all I ask" -- Sean Hannity is on!)
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To: Old 300
Do you love the Constitution, or not?

I'm sorry. I missed the magic show where Ron Paul became the Constitution.

33 posted on 10/20/2007 2:15:42 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Old 300
There you all go again...read his comments. guess what, actions talk, BS walks, and Paul over and over has voted against securing our border.. all the comments in the world doesn't change reality.. but if you do like to follow his comments instead of his votes.. how about when he said 'a border fence isn't that important...'?

I Ron Paul's world, little speeches can change everything.. how naive.

34 posted on 10/20/2007 2:16:51 PM PDT by mnehring (Who is Chris Peden? http://www.chrispeden.org/)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Show us how any of the other candidates drive their core values out of the original intent behind the Constitution. I very rarely hear them mention the Constitution at all. When they do, they’re often misreading it.


35 posted on 10/20/2007 2:16:54 PM PDT by Old 300
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To: Old 300
More than likely several revolutionary committees formed in the Great Lakes and Ohio Valley regions would rise up and begin a Reconquista.

Initially the East Coast would be written off, but once the New Confederacy (formed of 6 key Southern states) had completed the wrap-up of the Southwest and Mexican border areas, the East would be rapidly purged of any remnant federalists who hadn't had the good sense to flee to Canada.

And so on and so forth. Really now, Manifest Destiny wasn't based on a wish, but rather on the firm ground of geographic determinism. American exists because the Central South and the Midwest exist.

36 posted on 10/20/2007 2:18:09 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
..actually, the parts I disagree most with are items that originate in the executive, ie, his commander in chief responsibility. If I was voting for a speecher in chief, I would consider Paul, but I'm not, I'm voting for a commander in chief...
37 posted on 10/20/2007 2:18:34 PM PDT by mnehring (Who is Chris Peden? http://www.chrispeden.org/)
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To: mnehrling
just like he did funding for the Trans Texas Corridor (first leg of the NAU highway)

ROFL. That money was already allocated as part of Texas' share of federal highway funds. Paul has no control over how Texas applies it. Get back to me if he specifically earmarked the money for the TTC.

38 posted on 10/20/2007 2:18:58 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("Just 3 hours a day with Rudy Guiliani is all I ask" -- Sean Hannity is on!)
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To: Old 300
Show us how any of the other candidates drive their core values out of the original intent behind the Constitution.

I can't. I'm too busy gazing with doe eyes at the Ron Paul poster decorating my wall.

39 posted on 10/20/2007 2:19:49 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: mnehrling

I don’t think you have to worry about how he’d do anything. The only way Paul gets into the Oval Office is as a visitor.


40 posted on 10/20/2007 2:19:52 PM PDT by SCHROLL
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To: Old 300; Allegra; MNJohnnie; ejonesie22; lormand; wideawake

Fred Phelps talks about the Bible and Christianity all the time, doesn’t make him Jesus.


41 posted on 10/20/2007 2:20:18 PM PDT by mnehring (Who is Chris Peden? http://www.chrispeden.org/)
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To: SCHROLL

Would he pass the security checks?


42 posted on 10/20/2007 2:20:39 PM PDT by mnehring (Who is Chris Peden? http://www.chrispeden.org/)
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To: no nau

There’s this thing called Congress that Paul would have to abolish, too.

Like a Paul nomination, it ain’t gonna happen.


43 posted on 10/20/2007 2:20:47 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([Fred Thompson/Clarence Thomas 2008!])
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

What if a Ron Paul nomination does happen? Would you support him, or Hillary?


44 posted on 10/20/2007 2:22:21 PM PDT by Old 300
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To: mnehrling
I'm voting for a commander in chief

The only real Commander-in-Chief in the race is Duncan Hunter. Unfortunately, he's not viable.

45 posted on 10/20/2007 2:23:07 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("Just 3 hours a day with Rudy Guiliani is all I ask" -- Sean Hannity is on!)
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To: no nau

I could Lol but then again it just might happen.


46 posted on 10/20/2007 2:24:17 PM PDT by wastedyears (I don't wanna grow up, help : /)
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To: Old 300
It’s worth the time to find out why he’s so-well loved.

Ron "cut-n-run" Paul?

Loved by Al Qaeda maybe.

47 posted on 10/20/2007 2:24:46 PM PDT by humblegunner (©)
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To: Old 300

Paul flashes the Constitution much like Byrd does. Care to tell me where in it he finds the authority to do all the things you propose without congressional approval?


48 posted on 10/20/2007 2:24:47 PM PDT by SCHROLL
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To: Old 300

Let's see: slavery, destitution, mass murder, nuclear detonations in large American cities, chaos, anarchy, invasion and occupation. It's all a small price to pay for no longer being oppressed by Nazi seatbelt laws, which were somehow foisted upon a hapless and helpless people with no right to representation or to the redress of grievances, eh?

Luckily, the vast majority of Americans have more at stake in the survival and success of our nation than the militia loonies' sense of self-importance.

49 posted on 10/20/2007 2:25:04 PM PDT by Hornitos
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Get back to me if he specifically earmarked the money for the TTC.

Glad to, he earmarked it for the specific purpose of the I69TTC project, feasibility studies of the TTC. Not for a 'general highway fund'

http://images.chron.com/content/news/photos/07/07/01/paul_earmarks/Transportation3.pdf (2nd on this list for $13Million, not the first $150K one)

http://ttc.keeptexasmoving.org/projects/i69/

I69 doesn't fall into existing maintenance because it is part of the new TTC highway system.

50 posted on 10/20/2007 2:25:34 PM PDT by mnehring (Who is Chris Peden? http://www.chrispeden.org/)
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