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Who Owns the GOP?
The Atlantic ^ | 19 Oct 2007 | Ross Douthat

Posted on 10/20/2007 7:28:15 PM PDT by Delacon

David Brooks and Dean Barnett both tackle Huckabee's gradual rise today, and both see a lot of promise: Brooks writes that whereas "each of the top-tier candidates makes certain parts of the party uncomfortable ... Huckabee is the one candidate acceptable to all factions," while Barnett acknowledges that the Huck's "taxing and spending in Arkansas may not be every conservative's ideal," but suggests that he "probably has fewer policy skeletons in his closet than anyone else in the field."

I dunno - as Matt says, taxing and spending are a pretty big deal in the GOP, and it's clear that Huckabee wouldn't be acceptable to this particular faction, at the very least. Throw in his wetness on immigration and his various rhetorical forays toward a "conservatism of the heart" on trade and inequality and so forth, and you have a candidate with as many deviations from GOP orthodoxy as John McCain and Fred Thompson, certainly, if not Giuliani and Romney (both of whom have enough skeletons to fill the whole house).

Which is why the current Republican race is so interesting - it's a laboratory, in a sense, for determining which interest groups really have clout in the GOP primaries, and which issues really excite the faithful. If Rudy Giuliani wins the nomination, it will tell us a lot about the real influence (or lack thereof) of folks like James Dobson; if John McCain gets the nod, we'll know that immigration and (to a lesser extent) campaign-finance reform are more important to activists than to actual voters; if Huckabee becomes a significent spoiler (or, though it's much more unlikely, an actual contender) then we'll know the Club for Growth doesn't have quite as much clout


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; clubforgrowth; duncanhunter; elections; giuliani; gop; huckabee; romney; thompson
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1 posted on 10/20/2007 7:28:16 PM PDT by Delacon
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To: Delacon

Huckabee is a “populist” who wants to be everything to everyone.

Or more to the point, he wants to GIVE something to everyone - and he’s going to ask ME to pay for it!


2 posted on 10/20/2007 7:35:59 PM PDT by Redbob (WWJBD - "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Redbob

“Or more to the point, he wants to GIVE something to everyone - and he’s going to ask ME to pay for it!”

Gosh, aren’t you talking about Hillary? ;)


3 posted on 10/20/2007 7:39:09 PM PDT by Delacon (Don't Immanentize the Eschaton.)
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To: Delacon
I clicked on this thinking it might be about something else. But was pleasanlty surprised to read this. In spite of all the third party ruckus talk started by James Dobson,this primary will in fact be an antidote to the chaos. Magnetic north will be re-established to the spinning compass of the GOP. This is so dead on and smart:

Which is why the current Republican race is so interesting - it's a laboratory, in a sense, for determining which interest groups really have clout in the GOP primaries, and which issues really excite the faithful. If Rudy Giuliani wins the nomination, it will tell us a lot about the real influence (or lack thereof) of folks like James Dobson; if John McCain gets the nod, we'll know that immigration and (to a lesser extent) campaign-finance reform are more important to activists than to actual voters; if Huckabee becomes a significent spoiler (or, though it's much more unlikely, an actual contender) then we'll know the Club for Growth doesn't have quite as much clout as most people, left and right, assume to be the case. And if Fred Thompson or Mitt Romney wins, it will reinforce the notion that all of the various issues and interest groups jostling in the GOP tent really are a package deal, and that the best way to take the nomination, now and forever, is to make sure you've checked all your boxes, even if it means flip-flopping like crazy.

Truly this primary season is a barometer recording the strengths and weaknesses of the right, the GOP and conservative leaders.

4 posted on 10/20/2007 7:41:21 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Delacon

Dear Brooks and Barnett: Huckabee will never ever ever be okay...he is too pro amnesty, would like it to be illegal to just come on in one and all, and have everything Americans have worked for taken away to give to them.
Huckabee, another nice guy, no freaking way he can win the presidency.... the illegal problem is way too serious AND WE AREN’T GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!


5 posted on 10/20/2007 7:42:32 PM PDT by libbylu
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To: Delacon

Huckabee has said some things about amnesty that frankly scare me. I want the illegal invasion stopped, and I want the illegals already here unemployed and ineligible for benefits.


6 posted on 10/20/2007 7:45:29 PM PDT by MainFrame65 (The US Senate: World's greatest PREVARICATIVE body!)
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To: Delacon
Who Owns the GOP?

Let's see...hmmm...

I once thought it belonged to conservative Republicans. Not so sure now. At a minimum, it's teetering on the precipice. The chances it's going over the side are greater than I've ever seen them.

7 posted on 10/20/2007 7:48:36 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: Redbob

Huckabee wants to be such a good Christian that he doesn’t let anyone else be one.


8 posted on 10/20/2007 7:49:05 PM PDT by donna (Obama is a Moslem.)
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To: libbylu

Plus he’s a nanny-stater, same as the Clintons. Must be something in the Arkansas water. No thanks.


9 posted on 10/20/2007 7:49:46 PM PDT by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney ("Vote Hillary - the unanimous choice of vacuous Liberal newsreaders!")
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To: MainFrame65

Huckabee is the candidate who is the most like GW Bush, IMO. And that is not a compliment. Of course, most of the field is even worse.


10 posted on 10/20/2007 7:49:57 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: Delacon

Masterblaster owns the GOP.


11 posted on 10/20/2007 7:52:05 PM PDT by RichInOC ("Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls...dyin' time's here.")
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To: Delacon

The buzz on Huckabee started about 48 hrs ago. The media started hitting his name ever so dligently. Now the MSM is completing its buzz. Ridiculous- he’s not going anywhere.


12 posted on 10/20/2007 7:52:44 PM PDT by mojo114
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To: Delacon

“Who Owns the GOP?”

I do believe that is what the current fight between conservatives and whoever it is backing Rudy is going to decide.


13 posted on 10/20/2007 7:52:55 PM PDT by Grunthor (http://franz.org/quiz.htm)
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To: Redbob
Huckabee is the one candidate acceptable to all factions,” while Barnett acknowledges that the Huck’s “taxing and spending in Arkansas may not be every conservative’s ideal,” but suggests that he “probably has fewer policy skeletons in his closet than anyone else in the field.”

Not true, he is not acceptable to everyone. He is on board with MANY socialist policies, including taxing people for the common good. And yes, he expects us to pay for it.

Note to Huckabee, the Lord did tell us to help the poor, and we do, until folks like you take it from us, thus mandatory giving is the law, and we no longer have it to give ourselves. Charity works best when it is done voluntarily, not taken by mandate by the government. The government taken money never reaches the needed hands either.

14 posted on 10/20/2007 7:53:16 PM PDT by gidget7 ( Vote for the Arsenal of Democracy, because America RUNS on Duncan!)
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To: Delacon
Who Owns the GOP?

We the people.
15 posted on 10/20/2007 7:54:22 PM PDT by Vision (" 'Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,' says the Lord Almighty." Zechariah 4:6)
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To: gidget7

OK lets see. we hate Rudy, McCain and Mitt. Tancredo and Hunter are done, with or without the fork.

Who does that leave? Does that mean you’ll turn traitor and
leave the Oval Office door open for That Woman?


16 posted on 10/20/2007 8:00:48 PM PDT by rahbert
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I am not leaving the door open. If you think for a second that Rudy McRomney can beat Hillery, you are sadly mistaken. They can’t, and that is the very reason the polls and their owners, the old media, are touting them so hard.

The GOP continues on it’s chosen path at it’s own peril.

17 posted on 10/20/2007 8:14:24 PM PDT by gidget7 ( Vote for the Arsenal of Democracy, because America RUNS on Duncan!)
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“Note to Huckabee, the Lord did tell us to help the poor, and we do, until folks like you take it from us, thus mandatory giving is the law, and we no longer have it to give ourselves. Charity works best when it is done voluntarily, not taken by mandate by the government. The government taken money never reaches the needed hands either.”

“A coerced virtue is no virtue at all.” Dinesh D’Souza or Frank Meyer. I can’t remember which.


18 posted on 10/20/2007 8:23:39 PM PDT by Delacon (Don't Immanentize the Eschaton.)
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To: Delacon

thanks, bfl


19 posted on 10/20/2007 8:25:13 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: Delacon

Throw in his wetness on immigration
***That’s kinda funny.


20 posted on 10/20/2007 8:28:52 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.))
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