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Huckabee: Abortion is the American Holocaust
The Van Der GaliŽn Gazette ^ | 10/21/2007 | Marc Moore

Posted on 10/21/2007 8:10:14 AM PDT by dano1

Jamie Crawford at CNN’s Political Ticker blog reports this about Mike Huckabee:

“Sometimes we talk about why we’re importing so many people in our workforce,” the former Arkansas governor said. “It might be for the last 35 years, we have aborted more than a million people who would have been in our workforce had we not had the holocaust of liberalized abortion under a flawed Supreme Court ruling in 1973.”

The language is a little imprecise - what Huckabee meant is that in each of the last 32 years more than 1 million abortions have been carried out in America - and the numbers are a little low - the average number of abortions performed since Roe v. Wade is about 1.4 million per year - but his point is clear: abortion is the American holocaust.

(This is not only true of America, of course. Europe’s abortion rate is far higher than ours.)

First I must congratulate Huckabee for standing his ground on this issue. Politically this is not a move that is going to get him any closer to the White House. A cynic might see this as positioning for the vice-presidency. However, I think that it is more likely that Huckabee simply believes this is the correct interpretation of the data.

Personally I agree with him. Abortion is, in the final analysis, after all the shouting and rationalizing are done with, the ultimate illustration of the strong(er) crushing the life out of the helpless.

Does that mean abortion should be illegal? No. It should be limited, as all of our actions are constrained by the codified morality that is the law, but not eliminated.

Americans do mean, heartless things with startling regularity considering that we know better. Abortion is perhaps chief among them; yet the nature of a democratic society demands that couples have the right to control their destiny for right or wrong. A reasonable standard should be set after which abortion should be forbidden, as has been done in Europe, and that should be the end of the matter.

That will undoubtedly not happen. Reading through the comments gives one a fairly good sampling of the views of Americans, for better and worse.

(I assume that CNN filters its comments to remove the repulsive. Historically such on-line debates have been among the filthiest on the Net. Therefore, it would be a mistake to think that the extreme positions are represented at CNN’s site.)

Theme 1:

Once again, someone without a uterus and/or the possible chance of becoming pregnant through rape or incest, takes their fundamentalist beliefs and wants to force feed the rest of the nation their views. These are the real monsters!

Statistically the percent of abortions performed for reasons of rape or incest is < 1%. This is not a rational argument. Is Mike Huckabee a monster? Hardly.

Theme 2:

Mike Huckabee likening abortion to the Holocaust is a slap in the face to every human soul who perished under Hitler.

Is it? 6 million Jewish people were exterminated by little Adolph. But the number of abortions performed world-wide dwarfs that number in a single year. Acknowledging that fact is not disrespectful to the Nazis’ victims.

Theme 3:

are the deaths of US soldiers and thousands of Iraqi civilians in an illegal and unjust war also not a Holocaust.

Again, the numbers don’t add up, do they? With regard to U.S. soldiers, the number of abortions performed in the U.S. in a single day is quite close to the total number of U.S. soldiers killed to-date in Iraq. One day. If we expand our calculation to include an (inflated) estimate of 100,000 Iraqi dead and dismiss the fact that most were killed by other Iraqis we still need only wait one month for the U.S. abortion count to outstrip the entire number of war dead.

Theme 4:

The most important thing we need to establish in this country is a true separation of church and state, and we’re definitely not going to get it with Huckabee. If your reasoning for making a new law or amending the constitution is based on religious grounds then it should be immediately dismissed.

That’s what’s most important? Not defending our borders? Not poverty in America? Not our failing education system? Not race and integration issues? Not an aggressive, insidious form of Islam that threatens freedom everywhere it exists? A bit of perspective would help, I think.

Theme 5:

a woman surely has a right to decide what to do with her body

Not necessarily. While generally true, this statement fails to consider the baby’s right to live after its point of viability and its necessarily feeling pain as a result of being aborted.

This notion also dismisses the rights of the father as if they do not exist. In a just system, however, a woman would not be allowed to abort a child when her partner is willing to compensate her for costs and inconvenience during pregnancy and assumes all responsibility for the child thereafter.

Granted, that situation may be rare these days. Nevertheless it should be represented in the debate.

Theme 6:

I suppose when a man is able to conceive a child, carry it for nine months, deliver it, nurture it, and experience the personal sacrifice of a woman and mother, then and ONLY THEN will his opinion have any credibility. Since it takes two to conceive, maybe we should look at the other side of the coin and insist that if a woman must experience an unwanted pregnancy, then perhaps the man who impregnated her should be castrated.

Another over-estimation of the importance of the female gender and the rights that it engenders. Castration would be equivalent to performing forced hysterectomies on women who have abortions. I haven’t seen that idea anywhere, at least in this country. Ridiculous.

But there is a distorted reflection of a good idea in there, namely that men who fail to live up to the responsibilities of fatherhood should not be allowed to continue to procreate. That’s more reasonable, but unlikely to become a national policy.

Given the tenor of the discussion here and other places it seems unlikely that the U.S. will come to any sort of final conclusion to the issue of abortion any time soon.

I admire Mike Huckabee’s beliefs and willingness to stick to them regardless of the criticism they will bring down on him. I agree whole-heartedly that abortion is a plague on western civilization and I think it will ultimately prove to be our downfall because of higher birth rates in other, less-developed parts of the world.

Yet I am not willing to attempt to dictate to others on the issue. Ultimately we have to be free to pursue life on our own terms, whatever those might be, respecting only the spirit of the law.

Just as freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion, the pursuit of happiness does not mean that we shall be happy with every law of the land. It’s time more people accepted that.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; huckabee

1 posted on 10/21/2007 8:10:17 AM PDT by dano1
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To: dano1
News Release: Mike Huckabee Enjoys 5:1 Victory over GOP Rival in On-Site Contest

Saturday, October 20, 2007

LITTLE ROCK, AR – Former AR Governor and Presidential Candidate Mike Huckabee proved today that he is “favorite son of conservative voters,” placing first place in a “Values Voter” Straw Poll among attendees of the Family Research Council’s Summit in Washington, D.C.

Huckabee was the No. 1 favorite among the 952 attendees the summit and voted in person, with 51 percent of the vote – defeating rival Mitt Romney who received just 10 percent of the vote.

The results are as follows:

1.) Mike Huckabee - 488 - 51.26%

2.) Mitt Romney – 99 – 10.40%

3.) Fred Thompson – 77 – 8.09%

4.) Tom Tancredo – 65 – 6.83%

“Today’s victory in the on-site contest is yet another indicator that I am the top choice of voters in America who are looking for a truly consistent, conservative candidate with a proven record of results and the vision to lead America forward,” said Huckabee.

Huckabee, who had 11 standing ovations during a rousing speech today before an enthusiastic audience, espoused his “non-negotiable” priorities for America – “freedom, faith and family.” After the speech, he finished just 30 votes behind Mitt Romney in a straw poll which included online polling.

2 posted on 10/21/2007 8:12:13 AM PDT by dano1
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To: dano1
Huckabee: Abortion is the American Holocaust

Wow!! Huckabee nailed it!!!

3 posted on 10/21/2007 8:12:31 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Dustbunny

Great tag line!


4 posted on 10/21/2007 8:13:41 AM PDT by dano1
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To: dano1

We like Duncan Hunter, Mike Huckabee and Fred Thompson in that order.


5 posted on 10/21/2007 8:13:47 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Dustbunny

What’s ironic is that many liberal Jews read the story of Moses every single year, about the Pharoah’s order to kill every male child, but blithely continue giving money to NARAL, even without a threat from a ruthless evil tyrant.


6 posted on 10/21/2007 8:15:27 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: dano1

Thank you. ;0)


7 posted on 10/21/2007 8:15:28 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: dano1
Huckabee has a lot of things right, but he’s not really a conservative.

It’s too bad that no one’s ever heard of Duncan Hunter.

8 posted on 10/21/2007 8:23:01 AM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: dano1

The only thing I would add is that it’s a world holocaust as well.


9 posted on 10/21/2007 8:24:21 AM PDT by Carl LaFong (Building Code Under Fire)
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To: Dustbunny
We like Duncan Hunter, Mike Huckabee and Fred Thompson in that order.

Don't include me in that "we". Personally I think the nation is tired of both Texas and Arkansas politicians. It's been Texas, Texas, Arkansas, Arkansas, Texas, California, California in the White House. Look what the States of Texas and Arkansas have brought use over the last twenty years. BTW...I see Hillary as an Arkansas democrat.

10 posted on 10/21/2007 8:27:33 AM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (THE NEXT GENERATION CONSERVATIVE)
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To: dano1
Once again, someone without a uterus and/or the possible chance of becoming pregnant through rape or incest, takes their fundamentalist beliefs and wants to force feed the rest of the nation their views. These are the real monsters!

Being the monster and a male that I am, for I have no chance of having a baby by any means. I cannot for the life of me understand why that fact means I cannot make a moral judgment call on ripping a live human being out of a womb is wrong or not. There is difference between killing a baby at 32 weeks in the womb and killing it right after birth ? I see none.

It also really rubs me wrong that believing life in the womb is innocent and should be protected makes me a fundamentalist. By that standard almost all of America were fundamentalist before the modern era.

As for force feeding the nation on my beliefs, that is exactly what liberals did in Roe V Wade did, it took the abortion laws off all 50 states and tossed them to force abortion on the nation. The states should be the one to decide their abortion laws.

....and I am the real monster!!!

11 posted on 10/21/2007 8:37:00 AM PDT by Popman
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To: vetsvette

I can’t understand this, he appears to be a conservative and best qualified why aren’t we hearing more from him?


12 posted on 10/21/2007 8:38:58 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: vetsvette
"It’s too bad that no one’s ever heard of Duncan Hunter."

It does seem odd that so far at least Duncan Hunter hasn't gained more traction.

13 posted on 10/21/2007 8:39:43 AM PDT by dano1
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

The ‘we’ is my husband and our voting age family members.


14 posted on 10/21/2007 8:47:51 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: dano1

The US Abortion Holocaust is almost as bad as the Communist one - 100 million in the last century.

Is it a corrolary that humanity must kill?


15 posted on 10/21/2007 8:48:50 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
"I can’t understand this, he appears to be a conservative and best qualified why aren’t we hearing more from him?"

Unlike other "top tier" Republicans, he didn't used to be much of a "household name" at the national level. However he is steadily moving up in the polls as more people get to know him.

Link to Huckabee's "issues" website

16 posted on 10/21/2007 8:50:37 AM PDT by dano1
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

Huckabee is also for amnesty, illegal aliens, and big government nanny state. Nobody who is for amnesty is a conservative. Snappy slogans do not impress me. Abortion occurs not just in America but higher rates occur in other countries.


17 posted on 10/21/2007 8:57:15 AM PDT by Jane Austen
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To: dano1
If there weren't such a vast network to provide abortions, most women would choose to carry the baby to term. Some probably would resort to unsafe practices to rid themselves of the little intruder. No, I am not heartless and can certainly sympathize with an unwanted pregnancy and future negative ramifications and costs to society, but still can't justify killing the baby.

Missing way too often in all these arguments is the role of the providers, especially the doctor. We have set up a society where a doctor and associates now becomes the active partners in the murder of the unborn.

Yes, I have read all those arguments ad infinitum. It's a zygote, blob of tissue, not human until it can live and breathe on its own outside the womb, blah blah, but for the grace of God or chance, they are condemning their own lives. Women can't do anything they want to their bodies; i.e., prostitution, suicide and cutting or otherwise mutilating themselves, won't go into some of the now legal mutilations of one's body if one so chooses.

Are those who would prohibit abortions of convenience really monsters or their brothers'/sisters' keepers? It would be hard to look someone in the eye, see the fear, anguish and tears over an unwanted pregnancy and tell them they can't get a legal abortion. Some of us, without seeking it out, have had look them in the eyes, sometimes for years, the haunting, can't get past it (not all), and see the the toll on their mental health, some turn to alcohol and drugs to kill the pain and guilt (if they weren't already into it). Is that any better for society?

Liberals have to deal with cases like this all the time, especially therapists. Does it change their outlook? Seems not. The unholy grail of safe and legal abortion must be upheld at all cost and rationalizations in their own psyches.

It is useless to argue with them.

18 posted on 10/21/2007 9:08:18 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: dano1

DH is a good guy, and a good conservative, but at this late date if he hasn’t gone anywhere he isn’t going anywhere. He’s been on the political scene for a long time. During all that time, what statewide races has he won?

Whatever the reason for his lack of traction, now and in the past, it’s irrelevant at this juncture.

DH has no traction because he has no traction, and all the wishing and hoping in the world is not going to change that fact before the primaries begin.


19 posted on 10/21/2007 9:11:06 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: dano1

The MSM loves the Huckster , which alone gives me great pause .
I think they know they can paint him in any light they want , and that he’d be easy for Hillary to beat .


20 posted on 10/21/2007 9:30:41 AM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (Unite against Rudy ! - Vote Thompson ! - It's the only way to beat Hillary !)
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To: samtheman
"DH has no traction because he has no traction, and all the wishing and hoping in the world is not going to change that fact before the primaries begin."

This is true.

21 posted on 10/21/2007 9:33:47 AM PDT by dano1
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To: Neu Pragmatist
"I think they know they can paint him in any light they want , and that he’d be easy for Hillary to beat ."

Why do you think that Huckabee would be easy for Hillary to beat?

22 posted on 10/21/2007 9:36:03 AM PDT by dano1
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To: dano1

Cheer up Hickabee. Those illegal immigrants you want to let in will have plenty of kids to make up for the abortions. Get lost.


23 posted on 10/21/2007 9:51:58 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: dano1

The MSM would love for Huckabee to win the nomination .

The MSM will start by making him out to be a religious zealot to scare the moderates .

Next they will highlight his Open Borders policy , which will in turn , alienate a good majority of what would normally be his base .

Then they will harp relentlessly about his name - yes the MSM is that petty and yes it will have an impact on our shallow electorate .

Then the MSM will parade out the gushing compliments that Huckster had for the Klintons a while back .

This is only a sample of what they would do to the Huckster .


24 posted on 10/21/2007 9:59:07 AM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (Unite against Rudy ! - Vote Thompson ! - It's the only way to beat Hillary !)
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To: Neu Pragmatist
Here is Huckabee's stance on illegal immigration.

Given Huckabee's stance on this issue, do you really think that Hillary can beat Huckabee in this area?

For that matter, with maybe 20 million people in the U.S. illegally now, I don't see how any politician can run on their record as having been effective at controlling the borders in the past.

25 posted on 10/21/2007 10:28:58 AM PDT by dano1
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To: dano1

Anybody but Giuliani.


26 posted on 10/21/2007 10:36:12 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: dano1
Here is Huckabee's stance on illegal immigration.

That's his stand now. What about before? You can't run and hide from your record.

I'll say this though: Huckabee has really came out swinging against terrorism. I like the way he said "one of us is going to lose this war", for example. His moral clarity on the WOT is impressive, too bad he's a big gov't socon who'll never get the independent & swing vote though.

27 posted on 10/21/2007 10:38:48 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("Just 3 hours a day with Rudy Guiliani is all I ask" -- Sean Hannity is on!)
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To: dano1

Another thing is that the MSM is shilling for Huckabee to take down Fred and elect Giuliani by proxy.


28 posted on 10/21/2007 10:40:36 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("Just 3 hours a day with Rudy Guiliani is all I ask" -- Sean Hannity is on!)
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To: dano1
Mr. Tancredo has been unalterably opposed to abortion, relentless in his war to stop the Mexican takeover of the Southwest, solid on all social issues that are actually conservative.

Mr. Huckabee mouths a few platitudes for the rubes in Hot Springs who believe shysters like The Rapist and then goes off and doles out cash to illegals and buddies alike.

Why would anyone term him a "Republican"? He's a standard issue Solid South Blue Dog Democrat, nothing more.

29 posted on 10/21/2007 10:47:17 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: dano1
In the on stage production of the 2008 presidential race drama, Fred Thompson and Huckabee have to be reading for the same part in the play, the southern conservative candidate. Huckabee I think has the better resume and has a boat load more charisma. Huckabee has done the executive thing. Fred just was another middle-man deal maker in congress. The bulk of comments on Fred is he seems disinterested and not wanting it enough. A big did you know: Huckabee was the first governor in AR in 50 years to send his kids to a public high school.

As far as his nanny state label goes, I salute him for trying to get more fat a$$ americans off their butts and go out and exercise and lose some weight. You know how to spot an american tourist in europe? look for all the fat people.

30 posted on 10/21/2007 11:15:21 AM PDT by samp in mo
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To: A_Tradition_Continues
the nation is tired of both Texas and Arkansas politicians. It's been Texas, Texas, Arkansas, Arkansas, Texas, California, California in the White House

Keep going back further, excluding Ford you left out Georgia, California, California, Texas. That's trend and I think it'll continue to Huckabee's favor or may be Tennessee. The sun belter's hold a lot more power now. I think running a NorEaster seems to alienate the rest of the country.

31 posted on 10/21/2007 11:20:37 AM PDT by samp in mo
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The mainstream media is in bed with NARAL and Planned Parenthood. Rudy or Hillary are the only two candidates they will accept. It’s going to be a very tough year ahead, listening to all of these feminazi news anchors shilling for their favorite contenders; those being the ones who will allow for the most unborn babies to be killed in the ole clinic. They ridicule and diminish anyone who wants to save the babies, and it’s sad. Take the instance of former Fox News anchor Kiran Chetry. When Judge Sam Alito was up for consideration on the Supreme Court, Chetry practically ridiculed Alito’s mom for telling reporters that her son was pro-life. I remember her laughing about it on the air one day while she was still at Fox, and I’ve never thought too much of her since then. Very tacky. Katie Couric and Meredith Vieira are the same way. All of these women are just a bunch of hardened and bitter people. What else could explain such lack of compassion from the gender who was designed to nurture and love?


32 posted on 10/21/2007 11:22:40 AM PDT by fox0566
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To: dano1; Dustbunny
Great tag line!

Great song too!

33 posted on 10/21/2007 12:07:17 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Acts 8:37)
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To: Jane Austen

“Huckabee is also for amnesty, illegal aliens, and big government nanny state. Nobody who is for amnesty is a conservative. “

Nuff said....bye Huck!


34 posted on 10/21/2007 12:08:04 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: vetsvette
It’s too bad that no one’s ever heard of Duncan Hunter.

Yes, it's too bad that the Republican sheeple are too lazy to educate themselves, allowing the drive by media to pick their leaders for them.

Sad, really.

35 posted on 10/21/2007 12:14:44 PM PDT by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: dano1

“Unlike other “top tier” Republicans, he didn’t used to be much of a “household name” at the national level.”

That’s exactly it... Name recognition.

His comments here are so common sense, so indisputably true, that I’m sure someone somewhere had a heart attack over how “mean” he is.


36 posted on 10/21/2007 12:20:38 PM PDT by COgamer
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To: airborne
“Yes, it’s too bad that the Republican sheeple are too lazy to educate themselves, allowing the drive by media to pick their leaders for them.”

It’s been a reality for a long, long time. Most of the electorate pays zero attention to politics until it gets close to an election — and, then, 60% or so still don’t pay any attention.

If you’re not a celebrity, you have no chance at the top job. Sad, but true.

37 posted on 10/21/2007 12:33:58 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: vetsvette

The liberals and socialists are succeeding in their plan of “dumbing down America”.

And the RINO’s are their accomplices.


38 posted on 10/21/2007 1:17:10 PM PDT by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: airborne

“And the RINO’s are their accomplices.”

Most politicians, not just leftists and RINO’s count on a dumbed down electorate.


39 posted on 10/21/2007 1:29:46 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: Jane Austen

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_id=4

So he is lying in his website, I ask because I do not know his history.


40 posted on 10/22/2007 6:28:11 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...
Pro-Life PING

Please FreepMail me if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

41 posted on 10/25/2007 2:25:37 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: dano1

Indeed, the American holocause.


42 posted on 10/25/2007 7:19:36 PM PDT by Salvation (ÜWith God all things are possible.Ü)
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To: dano1

bump


43 posted on 10/25/2007 7:26:34 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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