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9/11 'not as bad' as IRA blasts (2007 Nobel prize winner)
AFP on News24 ^ | October 21, 2007 | AFP

Posted on 10/21/2007 12:05:19 PM PDT by MaestroLC

Madrid - Nobel prize winning author Doris Lessing said in an interview published on Sunday that the September 11 attacks had not been "so bad" when compared to Irish Republican Army action.

"September 11 was terrible, but if one re-examines the history of the IRA, what happened in the United States wasn't so bad," Lessing - who captured this year's Nobel literature prize - told Spain's leading El Pais daily.

The IRA waged a lengthy armed struggle against British rule in Northern Ireland. It declared an end to its armed campaign in 2005.

"Some Americans believe I'm crazy. Many people died, two prominent buildings fell, but it was neither as terrible nor so extraordinary as they think," Lessing said of the 2001 attacks in New York and Washington in which about 3 000 people were killed.

In similarly pointed remarks in the Spanish translation, she described former British prime minister Tony Blair as a "little showman" who proved disastrous for Britain and US President George W Bush as a "world calamity".

"Everyone is weary of this man. Either he is stupid or he is very clever," Lessing said of Bush adding that the US leader came from "a social class which has profited from wars".

She told El Pais she had recently finished a book on war.

The 87-year-old British author, who has written about feminism, politics and her childhood in Africa, won the Nobel Prize on October 11.

Along with her epic novels, she is also known for her political views that have embraced Marxist, anti-colonialism, anti-apartheid and feminist causes over the years.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 911; bush; dorislessing; ira; nobel; wtc
What an imbecile. Nobel is a joke.
1 posted on 10/21/2007 12:05:22 PM PDT by MaestroLC
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To: MaestroLC

Al Gore?


2 posted on 10/21/2007 12:08:25 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: MaestroLC
"Everyone is weary of this man. Either he is stupid or he is very clever," Lessing said of Bush

Is she not smart enough to tell us which it is?

3 posted on 10/21/2007 12:11:09 PM PDT by woofie
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To: MaestroLC
...two prominent buildings fell...

Omitting the damage and deaths at the Pentagon, as well as the plane crash in Pennsylvania. Nice.

4 posted on 10/21/2007 12:11:42 PM PDT by jdm
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To: MaestroLC

On ‘yer bike, Doris...


5 posted on 10/21/2007 12:12:28 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Donate.)
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To: woofie

“Either he is stupid or he is very clever,” Lessing said of Bush”

At least with her there is no choice involved.

JUST STOOOOOPID!


6 posted on 10/21/2007 12:15:50 PM PDT by gc4nra ( this tag line protected by Kimber and the First Amendment (I voted for McClintock))
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To: woofie

To avoid cognitive dissonance, at various times she chooses one or the other to be true.


7 posted on 10/21/2007 12:17:12 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: MaestroLC

“Some Americans believe I’m crazy. “

That’s a 10-4 little buddy.


8 posted on 10/21/2007 12:18:02 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: MaestroLC

I’m disappointed in Doris Lessing. She started out as a Communist, but left the party and seemed to be making sense in her later novels. I guess not.

Not to excuse everything the IRA did, they were fighting for Irish liberation from centuries of British oppression. I say that although I am in general an Anglophile.

Also, with very few exceptions, they phoned warnings before bombs went off, and went out of their way to avoid killing innocent civilians. The IRA Provos, a splinter group, were less considerate, but even they were not nearly as evil as al Qaeda.

In recent years the IRA has kept the truce, even though the other side has not kept its promises to let them share power in the government.


9 posted on 10/21/2007 12:19:09 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

bttt


10 posted on 10/21/2007 12:22:13 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: MaestroLC
"Some Americans believe I'm crazy. Many people died, two prominent buildings fell, but it was neither as terrible nor so extraordinary as they think," Lessing said of the 2001 attacks in New York and Washington in which about 3 000 people were killed.

This American thinks you're crazy as a coot, honey. If 3000 dead in two flaming skyscrapers wasn't "extraordinary" then perhaps you might come up with another instance remotely resembling it? No? And if 3000 innocent people dead in a flaming holocaust wasn't "terrible" then what was it?

11 posted on 10/21/2007 12:22:39 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: MaestroLC

I wasn’t aware that the IRA killed nearly 3000 people in the space of a few hours.


12 posted on 10/21/2007 12:27:23 PM PDT by skr (How majestic is Thy Name, O Lord, and how mighty are Thy Works!)
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To: MaestroLC
wow. I never cease to be amazed at how Providence educates.

No sooner than Al Gore wins a Nobel a bunch of the Laureates are revealed to be lunatics.

13 posted on 10/21/2007 12:32:26 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: jdm
...two prominent buildings fell... Omitting the damage and deaths at the Pentagon, as well as the plane crash in Pennsylvania. Nice.

not to mention 3000+ innocent lives.

14 posted on 10/21/2007 12:33:16 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: MaestroLC
9/11 wasn’t too bad when compared to the impact of lots of other tragedies, most especially when measured over time. But, the fact remains that it was the most horrific single attack on the US mainland in history. And, denigrating it can serve no purpose except to the benefit of the enemy which is yet to be vanquished — and, therefore, anyone that does denigrate it is, in fact, part of the enemy.
15 posted on 10/21/2007 12:39:39 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: MaestroLC

More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/violence/death95w.htm


16 posted on 10/21/2007 12:39:55 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Star Wars teaches us a foreboding lesson--evil emperors start out as Senators)
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To: MaestroLC

Doris, put down that crack pipe!

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9504E6DE1539F934A25754C0A9649C8B63

“Of the 1,800 people killed by the I.R.A. since the late 1960’s, about 650 were civilians rather than members of security forces or paramilitary organizations.”

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/109/story_10949_1.html

“Among the more than 3,600 people killed in political-sectarian violence in Northern Ireland, Britain and the Republic of Ireland since 1968, the IRA and rival anti-British groups were responsible for more than 2,000 dead.”

http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/troubles/major_killings.html

(Detailed list)


17 posted on 10/21/2007 12:42:36 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: All; MaestroLC

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NEVER FORGET

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The Man who predicted 9/11 =

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9/11 Lifesaver RICK RESCORLA, ..R.I.P.

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(RICK RESCORLA Foundation Website)
http://www.RickRescorla.com

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(RICK RESCORLA ‘Follow Me’ Statue unveiling Pictures - Ft. Benning, Georgia)
http://www.RickRescorla.com/The%20Statue.htm

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(RICK RESCORLA’s Rest of the Story)
http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24361

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NEVER FORGET

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18 posted on 10/21/2007 12:44:50 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Cicero

“Not to excuse everything the IRA did, they were fighting for Irish liberation from centuries of British oppression. I say that although I am in general an Anglophile.”


Of course, many in Northern Ireland see the union as necessary to prevent having to live under Roman Catholic dominated government.


19 posted on 10/21/2007 12:50:12 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: MaestroLC
"Everyone is weary of this man. Either he is stupid or he is very clever..." LOL He is nothing more than a mouthpiece for a gigantic bureaucratic conglomeration of mind, media, will and opinion. He does not make the plans, he "legally enacts" them. He is a robot... So who is Supid?
20 posted on 10/21/2007 12:51:26 PM PDT by Melinator (testing... test, test, test, Is this thing on?)
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To: gc4nra

I’ll give her the prize for being even stupider than Al Gore. And he’s a tough act to follow.


21 posted on 10/21/2007 12:57:02 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: MaestroLC
"Some Americans believe I'm crazy.

Count me among them.

22 posted on 10/21/2007 1:06:57 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: MaestroLC

Now we see the real reason the Nobel prize committee decided to give her the award...Bush derangement syndrome.


23 posted on 10/21/2007 1:13:55 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: John Leland 1789

Yes, you raise the religious issue. As far as I can tell, Protestants live much easier lives in the Republic of Ireland than Catholics have experienced in Northern Ireland.

The original population was Catholic. But the British rulers followed the advice of Machiavelli: they moved in a lot of mostly Scottish Protestant colonists, so the factions would fight against each other, and would be forced to rely on the British to protect them against their neighbors, instead of fighting against the outsiders. It worked very effectively, the only problem being that there was continual fighting among the inhabitants of the country.

Stalin followed the same policy, uprooting colonial populations and moving them elsewhere, so they would fight each other instead of against the central government.

It’s right in Machiavelli’s Prince.


24 posted on 10/21/2007 1:24:44 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: MaestroLC

Fools are celebrated. We live in a dreary age; I wonder if normal people ever get a respite from this crap.


25 posted on 10/21/2007 1:49:06 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Dems will impeach Bush in 2008; mark my words.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

False idols are always brought low.

You can’t admire any public person because eventually God will break your heart.


26 posted on 10/21/2007 1:53:26 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Dems will impeach Bush in 2008; mark my words.)
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To: Cicero

Interesting, because I was taught that Machiavelli himself was a Catholic.


27 posted on 10/21/2007 1:54:34 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: MaestroLC

British writer, Doris Lessing has imagined a bizarre world where men evolved from women.

28 posted on 10/21/2007 1:54:40 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: MaestroLC
Doris Lessing, the veteran British novelist has celebrated winning the Nobel prize for literature a few days short of her 88th birthday by declaring on her doorstep: "I've won all the prizes in Europe, every bloody one, so ... it's a royal flush."

Over such a long career she has variously been influenced by her lonely childhood in Africa - she was brought up what is now Zimbabwe - in communism (which she later rejected), feminism, sufism and science fiction.

Her best known books include her first, The Grass is Singing, about the relationship between a white farmer and her black servant, her breakthrough novel The Golden Notebook (1962), which was hailed as an emancipating classic by feminists, and The Fifth Child (1988) about a hedonistic couple whose lives are turned upside down by the birth of a malevolent troll-like son.

Lessing, a no-nonsense figure with a reputation for iciness

Lessing was born to British parents who were living in what is now Iran before they moved to Southern Rhodesia.

After two failed marriages - by whom she had three children - she moved to London in 1949.

She has always denied being a feminist and caused controversy in 2001 by denouncing modern women as "smug, self-righteous" and far too quick to "denigrate" men.

She declared that modern men were both "rubbished" and "cowed" by women.

29 posted on 10/21/2007 2:02:27 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: MaestroLC

Who cares what some old British fart says?.


30 posted on 10/21/2007 2:06:06 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: MaestroLC
she is also known for her political views that have embraced Marxist, anti-colonialism, anti-apartheid and feminist causes

Her initial premise that the IRA did worse, is just laughable.  Perhaps next time she shoots her mouth off, she could name the incident that was worse than 09/11.

Above we have pretty much all we need to know.  She embraces the Marxist ideology, and as we have seen so many times before, nothing is wrong that in the end will be justified as the means to get there.  09/11 isn't so bad so long as it takes down the U.S.  She views us as colonialist.  No babe, we're not seeking colonies.  We're seeking to set up a stable government that will live in peace with it's neighbors, and not slaughter it's own citizens.  Why you would oppose this is beyond me, but I'm thinking that Marxist ideology figures in prominantly.  Anything good for a representative government, bad.  Anything good for a strong man dicatator who kills millions on a whim, excellent.  And if this involves a Marxist government, why that's just the icing on the cake.  As for anti-Apartheid, you only oppose it in South Africa.  Where other governments in Africa are destroying farms owned by the white minority, you could care less.  It's all about demagoguery and what will futher your world view.  Well, pardon us for having a world view too.  And we're going to kick your world view all the way back to the dark ages bitch.

As for feminist causes, I don't think we have to look very far to see what has happened to those who led those causes.  If they represent the values of wholesome American women today, were in a serious world of hurt.  And those that seek to hang on to that structure, are pathetic indeed.  We're what, 40 million dead fetuses later?

If the women's movement would have been about employment rights, I would have viewed it somewhat positive, but it wasn't really about that so much as social engineering.

One of the most clear results of feminism was what happend to the leadership of those groups.  Most of them turned out to be muff divers.  What had that do do with the rights of the other 98% of women in America?  If this was a wholesome effort, a cross section of women should have been involved in it.  Strangely, the leadership didn't find that type of diversity to be particularly appealing.

As much as anything, the feminist movement has been destructive.  Some men used to do things that were somewhat off color.  They were mostly single men, frequenting places that showed the baudy side of life.  Look, young men being what they are, this took place and I'm not here to put it down.  What I'm here to do is point out some of the supposed achieved equalities, that actually turned out to be anything but.  The young men who participated in this activity were used as the model for feminists, even though many men didn't do this stuff.  "Why men have been doing this for a long time.  It's our turn."  What young men did was not what men across the spectrum did.  And it was not what women actually turned out to be participating in later on.  That didn't stop women from adopting some fairly abysmal behaviors.  In the interest of equality, single women and married women found it a wholesome thing to frequent stripper joints.  Anotherwords, what men had been damned for doing as young men, was suddenly just great to do for not only single women, but married women as well.  There are other aspects of this that aren't frequently mentioned.  In men's baudy houses, they are forbidden to touch the women.  The women can bump and grind, but guys you better keep your hands off.  In the female establishments, they are encouraged to touch the guys anywhere they like.  And the bumping and grinding that the male dancers do, is considerably more advanced that what the women provide in the male establishments.  The women not only adopted some of the worst behaviors they had damned the men for, they want far beyond what men had been doing, and labeled it wholesome to boot.

This was packaged as just one more right women were due buy the leading feminist groups.  What was the real goal of this?  I somehow doubt it was to strengthen marriages and help Susie homemaker provide a good wholesome example for their little boys and girls.

I have very little time for jerks like this woman, other than to out them for the bottom feeding miscreants they are.

31 posted on 10/21/2007 2:14:12 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Old Chinese Proverb (well sorta) say dance with the one who brung ya. Yes we very much like Crinton.)
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To: John Leland 1789
Have Protestants been treated badly in the South?

In the North, Catholics were legally denied jobs on the basis of their religion and once unemployed could be denied welfare...

That's pretty tough stuff...

32 posted on 10/21/2007 2:24:18 PM PDT by jd777
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To: John Leland 1789

Machiavelli was an early version of a CINO = Catholic in Name Only. The Catholic Church put his book, The Prince, on the Index of Forbidden Books. Princes all across, Europe, and in particular Protestant ones took it to heart, however (shown well enough in Rash’s The English Face of Machiavelli)

If I am not mistaken, Machiavelli wrote a play entitled The Mandragula in which a priest is a ephebophile.


33 posted on 10/21/2007 3:05:18 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: MaestroLC

I guess in this case Lessing is not more.


34 posted on 10/21/2007 3:39:47 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: jd777

‘Have Protestants been treated badly in the South?
In the North, Catholics were legally denied jobs on the basis of their religion and once unemployed could be denied welfare...

That’s pretty tough stuff...’

Protestants in the Irish republic were not well treated and were encouraged by many different methods to leave. The source I quote below is certainly partisan, but nonetheless, the facts referred to are easily verifiable as facts.

http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=treatment

When any people take control of another country by force, their primary role is to ensure that they can remain in control. Britain did this with Ireland and the white settlers did it with America. You can’t conquer lands without breaking eggs, to mix a metaphor.


35 posted on 10/21/2007 4:22:15 PM PDT by britemp
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To: britemp
At least we agree Ian Paisley is partisan. His statistics show that in the whole of Ireland in 1920 the population was 90% catholic and 10% protestant. What's important to note is that those protestants emigrated there from England and Scotland to maintain control of the Irish colony on behalf of the Crown. They did so by creating a parliament in which it was literally illegal for any catholic to serve or to cast a vote. Not surprisingly that didn't last forever (just 300 years)

If Paisley is upset about the decline in Protestant population, perhaps he should import some more from Scotland?

36 posted on 10/21/2007 9:48:36 PM PDT by jd777
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