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Finds on Temple Mount from First Temple
Israel National News ^ | Oct. 21, 2007 | Hillel Fendel

Posted on 10/21/2007 12:18:49 PM PDT by Alouette

(IsraelNN.com) The unauthorized dig of a trench this past summer by the Moslem Waqf on the Temple Mount, in the course of which it was assumed that precious findings were destroyed, apparently had a thin silver lining. Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) personnel monitoring the trench-digging have, for the first time, found traces of the First Temple.

The IAA studied an archaeological level dating to the First Temple Period, exposed in the area close to the south-eastern corner of the raised platform surrounding the Dome of the Rock.

Archaeological examination of a small section of this level, led by Jerusalem District Archaeologist Yuval Baruch, uncovered fragments of ceramic table wares, animal bones, and more. The finds date from the 8th to 6th centuries BCE; the First Temple existed between the 9th and 5th centuries BCE, having been built by King Solomon in 832 and destroyed in 422.

The archaeological team - Baruch of the IAA, Prof. Sy Gitin, Director of the W. F. Albright Institute of Archaeological Research in Jerusalem, Prof. Israel Finkelstein of Tel Aviv University and Prof. Ronny Reich of Haifa University - reached the conclusion, after examining the finds and archaeological data, that their characteristics and location may aid scholars in reconstructing the dimensions and boundaries of the Temple Mount during the First Temple Period.

The finds include fragments of bowl rims, bases and body sherds, the base of a juglet used for the ladling of oil, the handle of a small juglet, and the rim of a storage jar. The bowl sherds were decorated with wheel burnishing lines characteristic of the First Temple Period.

The IAA announced that it will hold an archaeological seminar concerning these finds and their archaeological interpretation at a later date.

Muslim and Jewish Claims Muslim scholars often deny any Jewish claim to the Temple Mount, and it is often charged that Arab excavations there are employed for the purpose of throwing out truckloads of artifacts that would prove otherwise. Moslem claims to the Temple Mount, on the other hand, have been debunked even by other Moslems. A commentator for the official Egyptian government weekly, of all places, has written that the entire Moslem claim on Jerusalem and the El-Aksa mosque is based on a mistaken reading of one chapter of the Quran. Ahmed Mahmad Oufa wrote that the verse that mentions a night journey by Muhammed to a mosque has nothing to do with Jerusalem, as is generally claimed, but with a mosque near the holy Moslem city of Medina.

Prof. Moshe Sharon, Middle Eastern expert in the Hebrew University, expressed great surprise at the fact that such an article would be published in Arabic and in an Arabic-speaking country. He told Arutz-7 at the time, "All in all, this is not a new claim. We must remember that Jerusalem is not mentioned at all in the Quran [though it is mentioned hundreds of time in the Bible - ed. note]. The verse in question is in Sura [chapter] 17, which states that Muhammad was brought at night from one mosque to a 'more distant' - aktsa, in Arabic - mosque. The first Moslem commentators did not explain this as referring to Jerusalem at all, of course, but rather as a miraculous night journey or night vision or some such. In the beginning of the 8th century, however, they began associating this with Jerusalem, because they had a need to start giving sanctity to Jerusalem, and so they started connecting this verse with Jerusalem... Originally, however, the Moslems recognized the area of the Dome of the Rock as holy because of the Jewish Temple of King Solomon."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biblicalarcheology; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; israel; jerusalem; letshavejerusalem; templemount

1 posted on 10/21/2007 12:18:52 PM PDT by Alouette
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2 posted on 10/21/2007 12:19:13 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: SunkenCiv

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3 posted on 10/21/2007 12:19:56 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Alouette
A commentator for the official Egyptian government weekly, of all places, has written that the entire Moslem claim on Jerusalem and the El-Aksa mosque is based on a mistaken reading of one chapter of the Quran. Ahmed Mahmad Oufa wrote that the verse that mentions a night journey by Muhammed to a mosque has nothing to do with Jerusalem, as is generally claimed, but with a mosque near the holy Moslem city of Medina.

But don't let facts get in the way of starting a holy war.

4 posted on 10/21/2007 12:25:33 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Alouette

Interesting, but how can one discern boundaries of a temple from pottery shards? That could only be possible if the excavation was more extensive than what supposedly occurred: a dig to repair 40 year old electric cabling. That’s my read, at least. The Moslem excavation sought to destroy evidence of the First and Second Temples. The electric cable was just cover. Yeah, I am paranoid.


5 posted on 10/21/2007 12:32:33 PM PDT by bajabaja
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To: Always Right; Alouette
There is a spot on the Dome of the Rock that unto this very day bears the hoofprint of Muhammed's noble steed al-Burak*, which carried Muhammed (PBUH) right up into Heaven and back down again, after a quick meeting with Allah.

What other facts do you need, O Infidel?

* The Winged Horse given to The Prophet by the Angel Gabriel. This speedy animal helped Muhammed make it over from Medina in one night, in case you're looking for an explanation. I sees your "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot," and I raises you one.

6 posted on 10/21/2007 12:40:06 PM PDT by Zerodown (Draft Petraeus. Or how about Pace? What do you say we win this one?)
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To: Zerodown

You’re one smart cookie, zerodown! ;-)[And I mean that respectfully, too]


7 posted on 10/21/2007 1:03:56 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: Alouette

Where does the year 422 come from? Both 2 Kings and 2 Chronicles say that the house of the Lord was burned when Nebuchadnezzar took Jerusalem (587/6 BC). Nehemiah’s activities were in the reign of Artaxerxes I who died in 423.


8 posted on 10/21/2007 1:10:52 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Alouette
If any of the popular and bogus slanders of the Israelis were well founded then the Moslems would have been tossed off of the Temple Mount decades ago, and their Mosque would have been dismantled in 1967.

If the eschatological projections of the Bible are at all valid then there is no amount of trucks hauling debris away from the site that will make a difference to the Truth.

Time will tell.

9 posted on 10/21/2007 1:31:56 PM PDT by Radix (When I became a man, I put away childish things)
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To: Always Right

Olmert is busy trying to undermine the Israeli national security all in the name of PEACE. Whether it is Gaza, the Golan Heights or the Temple Mount, this guy Olmert should be dealt with by the Mossad!


10 posted on 10/21/2007 2:07:00 PM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: bajabaja
"That could only be possible if the excavation was more extensive than what supposedly occurred"

The trench is not the only excavation. There is also a long tunnel that runs along three of the huge foundation blocks of the temple. Numerous artifacts have come from that tunnel. There are also several shorter tunnels that lead into what was the interior of the temple. The govt has blocked access to the tunnels.

11 posted on 10/21/2007 2:17:38 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: Alouette
Wouldn't it be something if the digging by the moslems to destroy evidence of the Temples instead revealed the 'Aron HaBerit or some other such holy relic?
12 posted on 10/21/2007 2:35:34 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (VaShem himtir `al-Sedom ve`al-`Amorah gofrit va'esh; me'et HaShem min-HaShamayim.)
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To: Alouette
Interesting (and politically very dangerous!). This should get the TROP regular suspects screaming in outrage.
13 posted on 10/21/2007 3:14:17 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

I noticed that, too. Not sure where they got the 832 from, either.


14 posted on 10/21/2007 3:53:10 PM PDT by Fedora
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15 posted on 10/21/2007 3:58:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, October 16, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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16 posted on 10/21/2007 4:00:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, October 16, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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17 posted on 10/21/2007 4:41:38 PM PDT by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: Alouette

I thought Dawud and Suleiman were Moslem prophets as well, so it seems to me they would be undermining their own religion by denying the existence of the First Temple.


18 posted on 10/21/2007 4:49:49 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Yes it would be something indeed—but the find would never see the light of day unless something occurred like the scene of the opening of the Ark of the Covenant from Raiders of the Lost Ark.


19 posted on 10/21/2007 5:00:14 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: Fedora

I didn’t notice the 832. That’s about 100 years too late (Solomon’s death is put about 931...but the building of the temple would have been some years earlier).


20 posted on 10/21/2007 5:11:59 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus; Fedora

Kabbalistic non-standard chronology based on dividing history into three 2000 year blocks rather than the Deuterononical one of Kings and Chronicles (and archeology). And they have the Messianic age beginning in 240 A.D., no matter what Venerable Bede said.

http://www.barmitzva.org/Kabbalah/timeline.htm


21 posted on 10/21/2007 5:36:55 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Verginius Rufus
I didn’t notice the 832. That’s about 100 years too late (Solomon’s death is put about 931...but the building of the temple would have been some years earlier).

Traditional Jewish chronology and standard secular chronology are actually at odds here. For example, conventional secular chronology places the destruction of the First Temple in 586BCE, while traditional Jewish chronology places it in 422BCE.

22 posted on 10/21/2007 5:45:15 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (VaShem himtir `al-Sedom ve`al-`Amorah gofrit va'esh; me'et HaShem min-HaShamayim.)
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To: Alouette

bump


23 posted on 10/21/2007 5:46:41 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Verginius Rufus

Yes. According to 1 Kings (6:1, 6:38, 11:42), Solomon reigned 40 years and built the temple between the 4th and 11th years of his reign. There is some uncertainty about the exact date of Solomon’s reign, but by any estimate the article’s date is over a century off.


24 posted on 10/21/2007 6:31:25 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

See #21


25 posted on 10/21/2007 6:33:35 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Thanks. I was wondering if they were using some non-standard calendar. Seems kind of odd they would mix that in with conventional dates, though—the rest of the article seems to refer to centuries the usual way.


26 posted on 10/21/2007 6:34:27 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I'll go with the conventional secular chronology in this case, which says that in 422 Darius II was king of the Persian Empire, and that Nebuchadnezzar had been dead for more than a century.

This Darius died in 404--Xenophon's Anabasis begins with his name (as he sets the background to Cyrus the Younger's attempt to seize the throne from his older brother Artaxerxes II).

27 posted on 10/21/2007 6:43:55 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Unam Sanctam
I thought Dawud and Suleiman were Moslem prophets as well, so it seems to me they would be undermining their own religion by denying the existence of the First Temple.

Why, you know, that's a great point! I guess denial is convenient when trying to aquire another's land.

28 posted on 10/21/2007 6:58:51 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: All

BAR link on the subject:
http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/templemount/bswbTempleIntro.asp


29 posted on 10/21/2007 7:18:04 PM PDT by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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To: Zerodown; Always Right; Alouette; Ken522; SunkenCiv
"There is a spot on the Dome of the Rock that unto this very day bears the hoofprint of Muhammed's noble steed al-Burak*, which carried Muhammed (PBUH) right up into Heaven and back down again, after a quick meeting with Allah.

What other facts do you need, O Infidel?"

Perhaps you have information as to what instructions Muhammed gave to Allah during that meeting?

30 posted on 10/21/2007 8:42:34 PM PDT by NicknamedBob ("Global warming alarmists predict worldwide starvation. ... They’re creating it." -- Tom McClintock)
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To: NicknamedBob
Perhaps you have information as to what instructions Muhammed gave to Allah during that meeting?

I believe he said, "Bugger off, Satan; I came to see...OH, it IS you? Oh, what a joke this will be when the Infidel finally twig to it! Well, just so the goodies keep coming my way...".

31 posted on 10/21/2007 9:59:32 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Alouette

btt


32 posted on 10/22/2007 1:04:35 AM PDT by Marie (Unintended consequences.)
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To: Alouette

Excellent article !


33 posted on 10/22/2007 3:50:42 AM PDT by ears_to_hear (Pray for America)
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To: Verginius Rufus
I'll go with the conventional secular chronology in this case

As you wish.

Something tells me you don't take the first eleven chapters of Genesis as history.

34 posted on 10/22/2007 7:07:14 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (VaShem himtir `al-Sedom ve`al-`Amorah gofrit va'esh; me'et HaShem min-HaShamayim.)
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To: Unam Sanctam
I thought Dawud and Suleiman were Moslem prophets as well,

According to islam, Mohammed (Pox Be Upon Him) was the final prophet, and any after him were to be considered false. I look forward to being corrected on this, but I believe it's the doctrine.

35 posted on 10/22/2007 7:14:28 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (Free commerce is the only just way to redistribute wealth.)
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To: Alouette

Again, for perhaps the thousandth time, I ask: when will Israel remove the Waqf from the Temple Mount and take control of the most holy place in Judiasm?


37 posted on 10/22/2007 8:12:44 AM PDT by montag813
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To: NicknamedBob; Zerodown; Always Right; Alouette; Ken522; SunkenCiv
what instructions Muhammed gave to Allah during that meeting?

Glad you asked, O infidel dog, who will service my computer for all eternity in Paradise!

It seems that Muhammed (PBUH) realized that some segments of his eternal teachings which were perplexing the faithful had been inspired ... not by Allah the All-Wise ... but by ... you guessed it ... SATAN!

So, undoubtedly Allah the Merciful was telling Muhammed which were the Satanic Verses, and which verses were the straight dope on the Islam situation: a lesson apparently lost on the writer Salman Rushdie, making him most deserving of the fartwa placed upon him.

In re al-Burak, the winged steed who was patiently waiting in the celestial parking lot whilst all this transpired: apparently Muhammed liked him a lot, stroking his neck and leaving on it, and every horse thereafter, that little indentation called "The Thumbprint of the Prophet." If this is not a legitimate claim to that Jerusalem real estate you infidels continually blather on about, what the heck (as Muhammed PBUH hisself was wont to say) is?

38 posted on 10/22/2007 9:37:20 AM PDT by Zerodown (Draft Petraeus. Or how about Pace? What do you say we win this one?)
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I am shocked, O infidel, that when it comes to al-Burak, that you are a neigh-sayer! Take care that your dhimmi tax payments are up to date, as a fartwa against such a blsphemer is not all that hard to get, if you catch my drift.
39 posted on 10/22/2007 9:41:18 AM PDT by Zerodown (Draft Petraeus. Or how about Pace? What do you say we win this one?)
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To: NicknamedBob

Yes, and Muhammed, by another “miracle”, tied his horse up to the Western Wall, the Kotel. So.....Abbas is now saying they want the Western Wall too....


40 posted on 10/22/2007 12:37:58 PM PDT by blasater1960
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To: Zerodown

Your likelihood of being in paradise, having a computer in Paradise, of having me as your computer tech in Paradise, or of being alloted a half-gross of virgins are all statistically equal.

Zero.

When the Arabs invented Zero, it was exclusively for the purpose of expressing this probability.

“Hey! What’cha studying?”

“Nothing.”


41 posted on 10/22/2007 4:56:16 PM PDT by NicknamedBob ("Global warming alarmists predict worldwide starvation. ... They’re creating it." -- Tom McClintock)
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To: JackRyanCIA; NicknamedBob
Fortunately for you two infidels, a moderate imam of my acquaintaince who is instructing me in the True Faith has instructed me not to slaughter you both until:

(A) We have wrung every last cent of dhimmi tax from your infidel hides and

(B)Until we have heard ALL of your amusing stories.

All fartwas on hold.

43 posted on 10/23/2007 10:46:39 AM PDT by Zerodown (Draft Petraeus. Or how about Pace? What do you say we win this one?)
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To: Alouette

God Save the Jews !!! Leave Jerusalem to Israel. The only nation whose borders are defined by God.


44 posted on 10/23/2007 10:50:51 AM PDT by ColdSteelTalon
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To: montag813
Again, for perhaps the thousandth time, I ask: when will Israel remove the Waqf from the Temple Mount and take control of the most holy place in Judiasm?

Sadly, but likely, not until Jesus returns, which hopefully is soon.

45 posted on 10/23/2007 10:57:05 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: Zerodown; JackRyanCIA
You had me going there. I was almost ready to believe you.
Then I read this part again:

"Fortunately for you two infidels, a moderate imam of my acquaintaince who is instructing me in the True Faith has instructed me not to slaughter you both until:"

... and I realized you were pulling my leg.

"... a moderate imam ..." Riiiiiiight.

46 posted on 10/23/2007 2:52:44 PM PDT by NicknamedBob ("Global warming alarmists predict worldwide starvation. ... They’re creating it." -- Tom McClintock)
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To: JackRyanCIA
Or so said Abu Bekr

No need to be so formal. Here in Western Maryland we just say "Boo."

What Boo was trying to communicate was that although ole Mo mighta been short on book-learning, the SOB could really ride.

While your Q'uran (pls nb pc spelling) is high on horses, goats, camels, and sheep, ole Mo and his followers don't like dogs. This has proven an obstacle to my conversion.

47 posted on 10/26/2007 10:53:56 AM PDT by Zerodown (Draft Petraeus. Or how about Pace? What do you say we win this one?)
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To: Ken522; NicknamedBob

Ping


48 posted on 10/26/2007 10:55:19 AM PDT by Zerodown (Draft Petraeus. Or how about Pace? What do you say we win this one?)
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To: Zerodown
No need to be so formal. Here in Western Maryland we just say "Boo."

"Boo" Radley is my hero!

I want to be just like him.

... to kill the people who need it, and then be left alone.

49 posted on 10/26/2007 3:35:27 PM PDT by NicknamedBob ("Global warming alarmists predict worldwide starvation. ... They’re creating it." -- Tom McClintock)
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50 posted on 06/30/2013 5:19:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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