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George Bush was trained to bring down Soviet TU-95
www.izvestia.ru ^ | 10/19/2007

Posted on 10/21/2007 12:51:12 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

The present US president George Bush was trained to intercept Soviet bomber carrier TU-95 Bear aircraft while he was in the Texas Air National Guard.

The US archives and retired colonel William Kampenii, Mr. President’s fellow soldier since 1970 till 1971 have proved this fact.

‘Pilots from Air National Guard used to intercept TU-95 regularly. The Bears used to make patrol flights, the aircrafts were usually intercepted along the eastern US coast, sometimes just near Cuba,’ says colonel Kampenii.

George Bush J. reminisces in his autobiography A Charge To Keep how they were taught to direct to the target with the help of the radar, how to remain unnoticeable or simulate aerial combat maneuvers.

This year TU-95 were used by Russia Air Forces again since the end of the Cold War.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: bush; coldwar; f102; ltbush; navair; tang

1 posted on 10/21/2007 12:51:14 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe


Kickin' TU ass since the 60's. ;o)
2 posted on 10/21/2007 12:55:28 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The US archives and retired colonel William Kampenii, Mr. President’s fellow soldier since 1970 till 1971 have proved this fact.

I thought he never showed up for duty?
Thats what Dan Blather told us, was he telling us a lie?
Again?

3 posted on 10/21/2007 12:58:13 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude ()... Cevapi & Slivovitz for everyone....()
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To: ThreePuttinDude

Has Dan Rather ever in his life told the truth?


4 posted on 10/21/2007 1:02:41 PM PDT by sport
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To: Vroomfondel; SC Swamp Fox; Fred Hayek; NY Attitude; P3_Acoustic; Bean Counter; investigateworld; ...
SONOBUOY PING!

This one really isn't Navair related, but I thought some of you other Cold Warriors would be as interested in this as I was. It's easy for us to forget that Bear Chicken wasn't just a Navy game.

Click on pic for past Navair pings.

Post or FReepmail me if you wish to be enlisted in or discharged from the Navair Pinglist.
This is a medium to low volume pinglist.

5 posted on 10/21/2007 1:06:48 PM PDT by magslinger (I will not submit.)
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To: ThreePuttinDude
I thought he never showed up for duty?

When he wasn't not showing up for duty, he was training to shoot down peaceful baby milk tankers of the Soviet Union and kill their aircrews.

6 posted on 10/21/2007 1:07:37 PM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: Tailgunner Joe
but but - ya gotta have some bona fide smarts to make it through fighter jet training - how’d he do that? s/

Meanwhile, Gore flunked out of divinity college -

God Bless this Texas cowboy

7 posted on 10/21/2007 1:12:34 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Wow, the Russians just figured this out? What did they think the F-106 was, a fluffy bunny?


8 posted on 10/21/2007 1:26:04 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Actually they trained to intercept whatever the Russians sent out of Cuba, but it was most likely the TU-95. Active USAF and ANG planes frequently intercepted these planes during the Cold War in various places along the Gulf and East Coast.
9 posted on 10/21/2007 1:32:40 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

And all this time I thought that he was AWOL!

Somebody should send this to the MSM, I’m sure they’ll want to correct the record.


10 posted on 10/21/2007 1:35:23 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: maine-iac7

I passed divinity school, actually you gotta be quite stupid to flunk out there.


11 posted on 10/21/2007 2:02:04 PM PDT by Reagan79 (Ralph Stanley & The Clinch Mountain Boys)
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To: maine-iac7

gore also flunked out of law school at Vandy.


12 posted on 10/21/2007 2:46:21 PM PDT by uscabjd ( a)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
George Bush J. reminisces in his autobiography A Charge To Keep

Its George W. Bush, not George Bush J.

13 posted on 10/21/2007 2:54:24 PM PDT by woofie
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To: woofie
George Bush J. reminisces in his autobiography A Charge To Keep

and

Its George W. Bush, not George Bush J.

it's "W" like in "Dubb-l-ya"

14 posted on 10/21/2007 3:02:05 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: maine-iac7
("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN

"Fortunately, it isn't necessary": Hillary Clinton.

15 posted on 10/21/2007 3:08:06 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: magslinger
The F-106 also carried the AIR-2 Genie rocket. It wasn't meant to shoot down a Bear, it was meant to bring down all the Bears.

It would be a one way ticket for the F-106 pilot.
16 posted on 10/21/2007 3:15:59 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It’s always amused me to consider how the media would have spun the respective military records of George W. Bush and John F. Kerry if their roles had been reversed, it would have sounded something like this:

“Lt. John F. Kerry served in the Massachusetts Air National Guard, specially trained in the highly dangerous F-102 Interceptor, a plane which required precision skill as a pilot, and Lt. Kerry was prepared at all times to intercept Soviet nuclear bombers, had World War III begun with a surprise strike from Moscow. Lt. Kerry was on the front lines of the Cold War, performing a dangerous task, and all of America should be grateful.”

“Meanwhile, Lt. George W. Bush was engaging in questionable military escapades in Vietnam, receiving combat decorations for what can be described at best as ‘exaggerated wounds’, and then-Lt. Bush freely admitted that he had knowledge of fellow servicemen behaving like barbarians, committing war crimes and atrocities which any civilized nation should be ashamed of. While it is uncertain what Lt. Bush’s true views on the Vietnam war were at that time, it is certain that he violated the Logan Act when he traveled to Paris France to engage in private negotiations with the Communists, and to this day it is not known what was discussed. Such an individual who shows such disregard for international law, for the laws of the United States, who has such a disregard for human decency, has no business seeking the Presidency of the United States.”

Yep, I think it would have sounded something like that.


17 posted on 10/21/2007 3:57:29 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: BIGLOOK
Discussion of the F-102 and Bears:

http://www.talkingproud.us/Military022804.html

18 posted on 10/21/2007 4:14:36 PM PDT by Does so
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Didn't locate a photo of a F-106 like Bush's shadowing a Bear -- but this F-102 is -- at least -- another delta-wing interceptor doing the same job...


19 posted on 10/21/2007 4:46:26 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: TXnMA

Actually, Bush flew an F-102, like in your photo.


20 posted on 10/21/2007 5:07:59 PM PDT by tanuki (u)
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To: mkjessup

WOW, I do believe that IS exactly how they would have written it up.


21 posted on 10/21/2007 5:45:44 PM PDT by packrat35 (Politicians would be less worthless if they were edible, or useable for packing wheel bearings.)
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To: mkjessup

That’s a mighty believable piece, mk. You’ve got the spin and tone down to a fine pitch.


22 posted on 10/21/2007 6:45:13 PM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: TXnMA
Here's one I took March 4, 1981 somewhere west of Hawaii, south of Wake, maybe near Eniwetok...


23 posted on 10/21/2007 7:06:32 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: MediaMole

Bush flew the F-102.


24 posted on 10/21/2007 7:12:58 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: sport
Has Dan Rather ever in his life told the truth?

Also, did Dan Rather serve in the military. Who is he to criticize if he didn't serve.

25 posted on 10/21/2007 11:00:37 PM PDT by Mogollon
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To: tanuki
Actually, Bush flew an F-102, like in your photo.

Also known as the 'Thud'.

26 posted on 10/21/2007 11:02:45 PM PDT by Mogollon
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To: Mogollon

Hate to correct you, but the F-102 was known as the ‘Delta Dagger.’ The F-105 was known as the ‘Thud.’


27 posted on 10/21/2007 11:21:16 PM PDT by tanuki (u)
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To: Mogollon; CholeraJoe; AFPhys; patton; SmithL; Doohickey
No, no.

F-101 was Voodoo.

F-102 was the Delta Dagger.

F-103. Republic design, never built. Looks ike a cruise missile. From the web: http://www.geocities.co.jp/HeartLand-Icho/3902/jf/jf_e_century.html

It was an up-too-date jet fighter. Pilot needed to watcth periscope to see forward. Only little skylights attached for see upward, or to soften closed and tight feeling. Material of body mainly used by titanium. Powered by turbo-ram-jet engine for over mach 3 speed in high altitude.

By the reason of too reckless spec, exploration cost raised awfully. And the comparison of SAM with F-103, SAM estimated better cost performance than F-103. So this project cancelled at mockup stage, August 1957. Interceptor requirement assigned by F-102, a rather conventional airplane compared to the F-103, as planned from the beginning.

Span:10.92m Length:24.89m Height:5.59m Weight max40t Engine Xj-67-W-1 turbo_ramjet 15,000lbs/18,800lbs Cf:kl Vmax M=3+ Vc=M=2.2/75,000ft Combat Radius:400nm Armament:Falcon AAM*6 FFAR(MightyMouse)*36

F-104 was Starfighter.

“Thud” was a Thunderchief F-105, USAF bomber-fighter (almost always serving in the bomber role) in Vietnam & overseas.

F-106 was Delta Dart.

F-106 was derived from the F-102 - 102 was harder to handle, slightly slower and shorter range. Pretty dangerous to fly - about 28% were lost in crashes/ejection seat “landings” over the plane’s lifetime.

Obviously, 27% of all flights didn’t result in a loss, but over time, more pilots were lost in “routine” fighter delta-wing training missions than in delta-wing combat.

That is slightly misleading - since the delta wings served in Europe & east coast/far north ops against the bomber threat, rather than close air support in Vietnam, but still....

28 posted on 10/21/2007 11:27:15 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The US archives and retired colonel William Kampenii, Mr. President’s fellow soldier Airman since 1970 till 1971 have proved this fact.

There...fixed it.

29 posted on 10/21/2007 11:33:36 PM PDT by NYFreeper
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To: maine-iac7
Any chance I get I like to remind folks that Bush has an MBA. As far as I know, he has the highest education level of any president in history. ( have we had a PHD or something else?)

OTOH, you should expect the Spawn of Satan to flunk divinity school.

30 posted on 10/21/2007 11:52:17 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles

This is one thing that always got my goat. This insane idea that AlGore is some kind of intellectual, and that Bush has the intellect of a dolt. Let’s see Gore fly a fighter airplane. While Bush was up, up in the air, Gore was down on the earth taking pictures in Viet Nam as a photographer, while being followed around by someone to protect him and keep him out of harm’s way. Plus he did this for about 2 seconds (slight exaggeration). And Gore is a flunkout from Divinity and Law School, whereas Bush got his MBA. But of course, the mainstream media decides who is brilliant and who is not. Makes me ill.


31 posted on 10/22/2007 12:00:40 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Thinking out loud while grinding teeth in political frustration)
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To: chuckles
OTOH, you should expect the Spawn of Satan to flunk divinity school

LOL

Never thought of it that way.

but you're right :o)

I think he long ago flunked out of the human race - oh, wait, he was never in it

32 posted on 10/22/2007 12:24:01 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: RaceBannon
LOL! That photo brings back memories. Back on the 'PRISE I used to enjoy cruising up to brown shoe country to check out the squadron's bulletin board for the "Intercept Photo of the Day" . Sometimes you could just make out the figure of the bored Russian kid in the Bear's tail observation blister giving our Tomcat jock the Finger. Oh, the Cold War! What larks, Pip...

B-chan
Former MM3
USS ENTERPRISE (CVN-65)

GONAVY

33 posted on 10/22/2007 12:58:50 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: RaceBannon

Thanks for the new desktop background. : )


34 posted on 10/22/2007 1:10:43 AM PDT by skr (How majestic is Thy Name, O Lord, and how mighty are Thy Works!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Useful and enlightening information, thanks for that.

F-103... It was an up-too-date jet fighter. Pilot needed to watcth periscope to see forward. Only little skylights attached for see upward, or to soften closed and tight feeling. Material of body mainly used by titanium. Powered by turbo-ram-jet engine for over mach 3 speed in high altitude... By the reason of too reckless spec, exploration cost raised awfully..

I was half expecting the comment "All your F-103 belong to us". LOL
35 posted on 10/22/2007 1:13:40 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: RaceBannon; Tailgunner Joe
A neat little summary from this web site:

http://faqs.cs.uu.nl/na-dir/mil-aviation-faq/part4.html

Subject: H.3. USAF/USN fighters and attack aircraft

A complete list of US aircraft would take up far too much space; instead,
I’ve listed only the post-war “F” and “A” series, the ones most often asked
about.

One star indicates a type that existed only as one or more prototypes and
never entered service; two stars indicate a type that never left the
drawing board; three stars indicate that the number was never assigned at
all (as far as I could determine).

USAF fighter designations, since the initiation of the “F” series in 1948:

F-80: Lockheed F-80 Shooting Star
F-81: * Convair XF-81 (experimental mixed-power jet/turboprop fighter)
F-82: North American F-82 Twin Mustang
F-83: * Bell XF-83
F-84: Republic F-84 Thunderjet/Thunderstreak/RF-84 Thunderflash
F-85: * McDonnell XF-85 Goblin (parasite fighter experiment)
F-86: North American F-86 Sabre
F-87: * Curtiss XF-87 Blackhawk
F-88: * McDonnell XF-88 Voodoo
F-89: Northrop F-89 Scorpion
F-90: * Lockheed XF-90
F-91: * Republic XF-91 Thunderceptor
F-92: * Convair XF-92
F-93: North American YF-93 (F-86 derivative)
F-94: Lockheed F-94 Starfire (F-80/T-33 derivative)
F-95: North American YF-95 (became F-86D)
F-96: Republic YF-96 (became F-84F)
F-97: Lockheed YF-97 (became F-94C)
F-98: Hughes F-98 Falcon (air-to-air missile; became GAR-1, later
AIM-4)
F-99: Boeing F-99 Bomarc (ground-to-air missile; became IM-99, later
CIM-10)
F-100: North American F-100 Super Sabre
F-101: McDonnell F-101 Voodoo
F-102: Convair F-102 Delta Dagger
F-103: ** Republic XF-103 (turbojet/ramjet hypersonic interceptor)
F-104: Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
F-105: Republic F-105 Thunderchief
F-106: Convair F-106 Delta Dart
F-107: * North American YF-107 (F-100 derivative)
F-108: ** North American XF-108 Rapier (long range interceptor and
XB-70 escort)
F-109: ** Bell XF-109 (but see below)
F-110: McDonnell F-110 Spectre (designation used briefly for USAF
version of F4H/F-4 Phantom II)
F-111: General Dynamics F-111 (the common name “Aardvark” is
unofficial)
F-112: ***? (may have been attached to Russian aircraft)
F-113: ***? (may have been attached to Russian aircraft)
F-114: ***? (may have been attached to Russian aircraft)
F-115: ***? (may have been attached to Russian aircraft)
F-116: ***? (may have been attached to Russian aircraft)
F-117: Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk

Note: Bell applied the designation “XF-109” to a VTOL fighter project of
the late 1950s (one prototype was built but never flew); however, this was
assigned unilaterally by the company, and was not sanctioned by the USAF.
The “F-109” designation has never been officially used, probably as a
result of Bell’s breaking the rules.

USAF/USN fighter designations, since the adoption of the Tri-Service
designations in 1962:

F-1: North American F-1 Fury (formerly FJ)
F-2: McDonnell F-2 Banshee (formerly F2H)
F-3: McDonnell F-3 Demon (formerly F3H)
F-4: McDonnell F-4 Phantom II (formerly F4H, briefly F-110)
F-5: Northrop F-5 Freedom Fighter/Tiger II
F-6: Douglas F-6 Skyray (formerly F4D)
F-7: * Convair F-7 Sea Dart (formerly F2Y)
F-8: Vought F-8 Crusader (formerly F8U)
F-9: Grumman F-9 Panther/Cougar (formerly F9F)
F-10: Douglas F-10 Skyknight (formerly F3D)
F-11: Grumman F-11 Tiger (formerly F11F)
F-12: * Lockheed YF-12 (A-12/SR-71 derivative)
F-13: *** (never used)
F-14: Grumman (now Northrop Grumman) F-14 Tomcat
F-15: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle
F-16: General Dynamics (now Lockheed) F-16 Fighting Falcon
F-17: * Northrop YF-17 Cobra (lost to F-16 in Lightweight Fighter
contest)
F-18: McDonnell Douglas F/A-18 Hornet (YF-17 derivative)
F-19: *** (never used, at least officially)
F-20: * Northrop F-20 Tigershark (F-5 derivative)
F-21: IAI F-21 Lion (leased Kfirs, used as Aggressors in training)
F-22: Lockheed/Boeing F-22 Lightning II
F-23: * Northrop/McDonnell Douglas YF-23 (lost to F-22 in Advanced
Technology Fighter contest)

Note: The Rockwell XFV-12 was number 12 in the “V” series, not part of the
“F” series.

USAF/USN attack designations, since the adoption of the Tri-Service
designations in 1962:

A-1: Douglas A-1 Skyraider (formerly AD)
A-2: North American A-2 Savage (formerly AJ)
A-3: Douglas A-3 Skywarrior (formerly A3D)
A-4: Douglas A-4 Skyhawk (formerly A4D)
A-5: North American A-5 Vigilante (formerly A3J)
A-6: Grumman A-6 Intruder (formerly A2F)
A-7: Vought A-7 Corsair II (F-8 derivative)
A-8: British Aerospace/McDonnell Douglas AV-8 Harrier
A-9: ** Northrop YA-9 (lost to A-10 in AX contest)
A-10: Fairchild A-10 Thunderbolt II
A-11: ***? (apparently never used)
A-12: ** McDonnell Douglas A-12 (cancelled A-6 replacement)

Notes: The Harrier seems to have taken the number 8 slot in both the “A”
and “V” series. The designation A-12 for the original, single-seat version
of the aircraft that became the SR-71/YF-12/M-21 was an internal Lockheed
designation, not an official USAF one (the A-12s were operated by the CIA
and never officially entered military service). The designation A-37 for
the attack version of Cessna’s T-37 was derived from the trainer version of
the aircraft and was not part of the real “A” series.


The author(s) list a series of “Russian” aircraft numbers being designated between the FB-11 and the F/A-117 (Stealth) fighter.

Could be: If we “took” Russian and East Europe planes from Egypt/Israel/MidEast/India sources, repainted them at the USAF restricted bases with the USAF aircraft nbr, then it’d be easy to give them a “real” aircraft designation for budgetary purposes.

People wouldn’t ask too many questions: after all, the F-99 was a missile, the F-103 never was built, etc.. Why ask questions about “research project” aircraft it would be a great way to fly and maintain Russian aircraft by confusing the fuel and parts issues with a research project.

36 posted on 10/22/2007 1:37:25 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Ah -- Thanks! Another aircraft buff, I see...

A good write-up of the F-103 is at http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/airdef/f-103.htm.

There is a mind-boggling amount to see there, and, perhaps the old memory is foggy, but, I believe that the USAF Museum at WPAFB in Dayton has a mock-up or a good model -- or a good artist's rendering of the F-103 on display:

Too many sacrifices to speed; looks more like a cruise missile of the era...

37 posted on 10/22/2007 7:06:28 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: BIGLOOK

Isn’t that why they developed the “over the shoulder” method where the fighter would fire the missile and immediately go into an Immelmann back the way it came?


38 posted on 10/22/2007 7:58:48 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: BIGLOOK
The F-106 also carried the AIR-2 Genie rocket. It wasn't meant to shoot down a Bear, it was meant to bring down all the Bears.

That would do it.

Too seldom are Cold Warriors (and, yeah, me too) given credit for the risks they signed up for rather than the casualty rates we actually faced when the late, unlamented USSR didn't do anything really stupid.

Not that service in those years was without risk, just that we didn't have the losses we would have if push had come to shove. As it surely would have if we hadn't been as prepared as we were.

39 posted on 10/22/2007 1:50:25 PM PDT by magslinger (I will not submit.)
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To: flaglady47

Bush was statistically in much greater danger flying a tempramental accident prone high performance fighter like the F-102 than the REMF Gorebot risking CTS as he pounded on his typewriter in a relatively safe FSB.


40 posted on 10/22/2007 6:56:51 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: uscabjd

Gore left Vanderbilt law school. He has no law or divinity degree.\\

To be fair to AlGore it seems he left (no flunk out) to run for an open Congressional seat which he won


41 posted on 10/22/2007 7:02:10 PM PDT by dennisw (Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: PLMerite
Isn’t that why they developed the “over the shoulder” method

Yeah.....but ask an aviator, They'd know more about that than I would. (Air Crew on EC-121s, EP-3s and EA-3s)

The Genie was an unguided missile or rocket so once loosed the aviator was pretty much in as much trouble as his targets.

The lob delivery technique and Immelmann escape was developed for striking ground targets....the lob giving time for the aviator to get distance from the blast. An air intercept would be a straight shot. Don't know if the maneuver would buy the same time in a head to head strike.
42 posted on 10/22/2007 7:22:11 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: magslinger
My Dad retired from the Navy in '60. In October '62, we all sat around the kitchen table waiting for the phone to ring again recalling him to active service. His sea bag was packed.

I was in a hot war, a proxy war....but everywhere else the SOS was going on in the Cold War.
43 posted on 10/22/2007 7:44:04 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: DMZFrank

Skinny in country was Westmorland got rid of the Senator’s son after a few months......seems algore needed baby sitters which MACV couldn’t afford.


44 posted on 10/22/2007 7:51:26 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: BIGLOOK

Highly believable.

45 posted on 10/23/2007 5:15:44 AM PDT by magslinger (I will not submit.)
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To: BIGLOOK

Important work, especially in ‘62. Like I said, if we weren’t prepared to go to war, we would have. The enemy never asks your permission to attack.


46 posted on 10/23/2007 5:24:17 AM PDT by magslinger (I will not submit.)
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To: flaglady47
photographer, while being followed around by someone to protect him and keep him out of harm’s way. Plus he did this for about 2 seconds (slight exaggeration).

I believe Gore eventually got a BA in . . . Journalism (duh!). That's how as a draft volunteer with 2 years on active duty he got to be an Army journalist without having to go to the highly competitive Defense information school in Indianapolis.

As a former OJT Army combat journalist/photographer in Vietnam (1968-69, 5th SFG(A)), I wouldn't knock his Army service. He volunteered for Vietnam, but the brass were terrified of having a serving Senator's son get hurt, so Al wasn't assigned to Vietnam until his father left office. By then he had only 5 mos. left on active duty. It's funny--when I got back after 20 mos. in Vietnam, I had less than 5 mos. left on my 3-year enlistment, so per policy, I got an early out.

True, he went in the Army because he saw that he needed to get his ticket punched for his political future, but unlike Kerry he was pretty much a conventional pro-American conservative Democrat then. When the New Left took over the party, he adopted all the Leftist shibboleths--anti-war, pro-abortion, anti-American, anti-human, etc. He's not stupid. He's just leftist.

47 posted on 12/31/2007 8:39:28 AM PST by logomachon (The ends had better justify the means.)
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