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Posted on 10/21/2007 1:45:22 PM PDT by captnorb

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia : one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."

"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia ." "However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand." "This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."

"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"

"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!"

"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."

"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."

"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.

"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,

'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."

"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: australia; howard
I wish we had someone in our government to say the same....
1 posted on 10/21/2007 1:45:23 PM PDT by captnorb
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To: captnorb

A fresh breeze of common sense.


2 posted on 10/21/2007 1:50:20 PM PDT by SolidWood ("I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.")
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To: captnorb

I have always admired the Ozzies for their common sense and realism. Their gun-control laws, I don’t admire so much.


3 posted on 10/21/2007 1:53:14 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: captnorb

Amen. And.........Amen. Thanks for the post!


4 posted on 10/21/2007 1:54:22 PM PDT by crazyshrink (Being uninformed is one thing, choosing ignorance is a whole different problem.)
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To: SolidWood

There’s only one candidate I know of with enough of a spine

to say something like that-obvious, truthful, and necessary-

and the establishment desperately wants him to go away-

Duncan Hunter!


5 posted on 10/21/2007 2:00:24 PM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day

Agreed


6 posted on 10/21/2007 2:01:09 PM PDT by wastedyears (I don't wanna grow up, help : /)
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To: captnorb
"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."

Politicians in America have lost the spine to stand up for these values which are the foundation, and CULTURE of this country as well.

If they want to be elected then they need to quit the PC crap and stand up against the Democrat God hating Marxists and Rock worshiping Mohammadans whose goal is to destroy America's Christian culture and convert it into the backwards 7th century barbaric sharia law cesspool they came from. That makes them by definition enemies of this nation.

They should be here because they want to escape that barbaric culture they came from, embrce American culture and become Americans, or go back where they came from.

7 posted on 10/21/2007 2:01:42 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: captnorb

Bravo!!


8 posted on 10/21/2007 2:01:58 PM PDT by vietvet67
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To: captnorb
Well said Prime Minister Howard.

Now the true test will come forth. I have found in my own native country England and to a lesser extent in Canada, a characteristic of many, but not all "minorities". This is that the more deference to these people, the more concessions - the more demands. The exaggerated care taken by the majority spokespersons not to offend, only brings on the "gotcha" tactic.

This tactic is to wait until the slightest deviation from the politically correct norm, then they pounce. Aided by the sycophantic press and human rights johnny come lately, they reduce solid citizens to mumbling apologies. "I didn't mean it like that" they say to deaf ears.

The real test is that the naysayers etc, will quail in front of an ultimatum. If that ultimatum has teeth- and that is the bottom line, John Howard will win going away.

9 posted on 10/21/2007 2:08:47 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: captnorb

What a contrast to what we’ve heard from Jorge since 9/11. This sort of speech needs to be made about twice a week throughout the Western Civ. nations.


10 posted on 10/21/2007 2:14:30 PM PDT by Will88
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To: captnorb
We ought to outsource our government to Australia!
11 posted on 10/21/2007 2:17:48 PM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have .chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: captnorb

Problem is that John Howard is also a gun grabbing idiot, must be something like Rudy, that way!


12 posted on 10/21/2007 2:30:40 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: captnorb

While these are clearly great words which could only be spoken by a person not concerned about re-election, I think we better get confirmation that Howard actually said them.

Either way.... I will vote for the man or woman that says something similar in the US.


13 posted on 10/21/2007 2:35:50 PM PDT by mad puppy (I'd rather live a day on my feet than a year on my knees)
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To: captnorb
"I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,

'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."

This is exactly correct.

14 posted on 10/21/2007 2:38:19 PM PDT by BobS (I><P>)
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To: captnorb

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/australia.asp

Well, sort of....


15 posted on 10/21/2007 2:45:58 PM PDT by mad puppy (I'd rather live a day on my feet than a year on my knees)
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To: Peter Libra

It’s called the Hegelian Dialectic.


16 posted on 10/21/2007 2:50:30 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day

Hear, hear!!!


17 posted on 10/21/2007 3:00:20 PM PDT by Issaquahking (N.H. FNC Debate "What did you do for America today?" Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: captnorb

This is at least 2 years old ... but still a great read!


18 posted on 10/21/2007 3:06:52 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Will88; humblegunner
What a contrast to what we’ve heard from Jorge since 9/11.

Bush: Now looky here, this is the religion of peace, good folks just tryin to make a better life fer themselves and and their little bombers, er, er I mean bambinos. Heh heh, Almost shame on me fooled me once.

We should try that sharia law thing for a while, seems to be workin for these folks. Look at how happy the women are. I heard the government got a few of them stoned the other day. I remember that, good times.......

We could even relax the rape laws to match sharia so that our other favorite guests can have less time in court and more time to drive drunk, steal and kill folks.

Heh, heh seems I gots all this figured out and didn't need to go nukeular!

19 posted on 10/21/2007 3:10:26 PM PDT by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: captnorb
Actually, we have someone like that running for President. Here is a quote. What do you think?

I think we ask them [illegal aliens] to go home. This country has lost 619 thousand Americans on the battlefields around the world in the last 100 years making the world safe. The reason we are not sending people back to Nazi Germany because we took care of Nazi Germany and we liberated the Germans and the reason we are not sending people back to a Communist Poland is because we brought down the Berlin Wall. The reason we are not sending people back to a Marxist Dictatorship in El Salvador is because we liberated El Salvador. We have made the world much freer. And we have pumped billions of dollars into lots of countries to improve their economies. So I think the United States, more than any nation in the world, has a right to tell folks, you folks stay in your own country, make it work and when you want to come into America knock on the front door.

20 posted on 10/21/2007 3:16:10 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Eaker

Good post. To laugh or cry? That is the question.


21 posted on 10/21/2007 3:34:15 PM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day
Just

may I respectfully say - this is not a Duncan Hunter thread - can we just be allowed to enjoy this fresh breath of air and the two men that have the fortitude to stand TALL and say it...it gives up hope that maybe, just maybe, this could be the paradigm shift that others countries can gather sense and courage from...and stand up and say:

"What He said!"

This action, if multiplied in the world's nations, can well be the 'other shoe' dropped on the mooseslimes

22 posted on 10/21/2007 4:06:00 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: Calpernia

I love it, Cal!


23 posted on 10/21/2007 4:18:00 PM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: mad puppy
I think we better get confirmation that Howard actually said them.

imperative - I want to send this to my 'list' but hesitate to without a link.

LINK???

24 posted on 10/21/2007 4:18:49 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day

bump!


25 posted on 10/21/2007 4:19:17 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: maine-iac7

Sorry.

It’s just so rare that we come across public officials with spines, and the posts prior to mine made Duncan Hunter’s name jump out at me.


26 posted on 10/21/2007 4:20:15 PM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: captnorb
Here's one link -

http://www.classbrain.com/artread/publish/costello_austrailia_muslim.shtml

27 posted on 10/21/2007 4:32:08 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: maine-iac7
sorry - mouse wasn’t working and I entered link by hand - guess I missed something - this should work

http://www.classbrain.com/artread/publish/costello_australia_muslim.shtml

28 posted on 10/21/2007 4:39:07 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: maine-iac7

in addtion to

http://www.classbrain.com/artread/publish/costello_australia_muslim.shtml

if you GOOGLE “Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted”

” you’ll get multiple hits - but is Costello’s the original source?


29 posted on 10/21/2007 4:45:42 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: Eaker

Very good.......well said !!


30 posted on 10/21/2007 7:20:38 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: captnorb

Ahhhhh, a country with a back bone. If we get pushed out of our own country, you think they’d take us in?


31 posted on 10/21/2007 7:43:07 PM PDT by oldamerica rebel ( tttt It never hurts to have some faith ttttt)
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To: oldamerica rebel
If we get pushed out of our own country, you think they’d take us in?

Oh yes, I am sure they would say "Come on in!". Then, they would let us live in clusters that preserve our AMERICAN culture, worship in our own churches protected by their law enforcement/security personnel and teach our children that Muslim laws and people are evil and that we need to destroy them and thier way of life. They would never want to OFFEND US!

32 posted on 10/22/2007 2:56:57 AM PDT by REPANDPROUDOFIT
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To: captnorb

I think you’ll find few of those quotes are factual. Most of the article is written as if it were quoted from Howard, but I smell a rat. Sounds like right-wing Christian propaganda. Fear Mongering. Perhaps some Pauline Hanson (blatantly racist, former One Nation party leader) quotes have sliped in there. Only it looks like they have been edited because she never spoke with such grammatical correctness.


33 posted on 11/02/2007 7:12:06 PM PDT by MLT (Why can't we all just live together?)
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To: captnorb

Wonderful!

Hey Dubya are you listening?


34 posted on 11/02/2007 7:15:08 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: MLT

Look like you don’t get it...at all. Did you join FR just to demonstrate your unbelievable ignorance?


35 posted on 11/02/2007 7:18:21 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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