Posted on 10/22/2007 11:09:26 AM PDT by freedomdefender
Rudi Giuliani’s campaign depends to a great extent on his clean-up of crime in NY City in the 1990s. It allows him to cover up a multitude of his non-conservative policies. Consider this exchange from yesterday’s GOP debate:
Fred Thompson: Mayor Giuliani believes in federal funding for abortion. He believes in sanctuary cities. He’s for gun control. He supported Mario Cuomo, a liberal Democrat, against a Republican who was running for governor; then opposed the governor’s tax cuts when he was there.
Rudi: I had the most legal city in the country. And I took the crime capital of America and I turned it into the safest large city in the country. The senator has never had executive responsibility. He’s never had the weight of people’s safety and security on his shoulders.
Well, whatever Rudi did in NY City, across the country crime also fell sharply in the 1990s:
According to new research by a University of California, Berkeley, law professor, the crime rate dropped dramatically during the 1990s, falling 40 percent in cities and states across the country and in all major crime categories from homicides to auto thefts, producing the longest and deepest crime decline in the United States since World War II.
And besides, since when is local crime a federal responsibility? We need to get rid of all federal involvement in local police matters, including cutting off all funding using U.S. taxpayers’ money.
Finally, most Americans just don’t like NY City. They hate the Yankees baseball team. They don’t like the pushy attitude of New Yorkers. And they don’t like paying for the vast federal subsidies that go to the city.
Maybe Rudi can be Hillary’s running mate.
Yep, Rooty will not acknowledge that, more than any city in America, NYC benefitted from the stock market gains of the late 1990s. A lot of people in NYC were making more money back then than anyone ever dreamed possible and they were pumping billions back into the city’s economy.
However, Rooty had NOTHING to do with nationwide economic growth. (Neither do the Clintons, but they have a more plausible claim to it than Rooty.)
If you're going to bash Rudy, which is certainly fine, do so without exposing how little you know about NY politics.
The more I listen to the devisive rhetoric about the Republican nominess, the more I am agreeing with Rush that as of now, Hillary has an 80% chance of being the next President. I am a Reaganite and with him I was excited. This time around, all I can do is “yawn” and I guess if that kind of attitude is prevalant amongst Reaganites, Hillary and her machine wins.
BINGO!! If for reason we need an authoritarian, 'pit bull', bully as our President,,,,
I want that 'bully' to be a conservative,,,,not a LIBERAL!!!
The biggest problem the Repub Party faces in 2008 is nicely examplified by the 2008 Repub Presidential contenders. Though the candidates are well into their running for the nomination, the Repub base is still luke warm about the Repub big names and so the fire and enthusiam of the Dem Base just is not present in the Repub Base.
While the Dem Base is at full howl in anticipation of 2008, as well as the next full moon, the Repub Base is as much in anticipation of what’s on TV election night, if not more, as the candidates.
On the Dem side, about every candidate would idealogically welcome Chavez (foreign policy), Mugabe (economic policy) and Putin (social policy) into their Administration, were it possible.
On the Repub side, Ron Paul is the only candidate in the spotlight that stands out. Mostly due to his bipolar positions of conservative economic policies and far out, to the moon and beyond, international stands that are too liberal for any but the most hard core left of the Dem Moon Howler base.
Hunter is clearly the best of the Repub candidates, but the USA political process seems well suited to weeding out the most qualified candidates.
>> Taxation, USSC nominations, Second Amendment, National Defense. IN no particular order, btw.
Nice matrix.
Taxation: Giuliani > Clinton
USSC nominations: Giuliani > Clinton
Second Amendment: Giuliani >= Clinton
National Defense: Giuliani >> Clinton
Not enough to win your vote?
NYC is a hot bed of the Gay movement blessed by every politician in that city.
It is sodom, I do not want that to be the condition of the country after 08, so no to Rudy and not to any NY democrat that runs.
But the author does make a good point of NYC not being nearest and dearest to Joe & Mary Average Citizen’s hearts.
And NYC voting records do not show that 9/11 had any longer term impact.
Your illustration is valid but your claim that Rudy “was part of the liberal establishment in NYC” is completely wrong.
You obviously were not in NYC during those wars. And it was all out war to stop Rudy from taking down the liberal/socialist machine.
One example is that there were literally ONE MILLION people on welfare when he took office. It’s a small fraction of that after he changed the policies.
Look if you want to oppose the guy on abortion or guns, fine, but don’t make things up that you are so blatantly incorrect about that the illustration you use is to compare him to other “liberal” prosecutors.
The record is not that difficult to know especially if you did which many of us saw and enjoyed see happen first hand. But if you’ve not experienced it, clearly it’s easy to understand why you wouldn’t value the denigration of the liberals and socialists in NYC.
But we do.
Like the bigoted NY liberal who thinks every capital C Christian wants to take us back to the Middle Ages, your prejudices diminish your cause.
‘Not enough to win your vote?’
Nope.
You don't get to vote for President. You get to vote for a slate of electors (at least three per State) Be sure to have your slate of electors on file with your Secretary of State.
Or better yet, if you are in a reasonably closely contested State, don't help the electors for the Commodities Scam Queen win.
ML/NJ
From your fingers to God’s Ears!
Not entirely true. Sometimes their love of NYC gets to them. At least it has to a school teacher, lib in my family who told me at dinner last week that she hoped she could vote for Giuliani over Hillary.
ML/NJ
Hopefully you are correct and part of a trend to join together and stop Hillary.
My best friend just got married and his NJ schoolteacher wife tried to tell me that Hillary is a moderate.
She later complained that I was not letting her finish. I told her I couldn’t handle hearing that line anymore. After a couple of emails ridiculing any claim of Hillary’s moderations, it’s been real quiet.
I’m very concerned that there are some really ignorant folks out there that will take this hook, line and sinker.
>> ‘Not enough to win your vote?’
> Nope.
Why not, it is your matrix?
>>Some people will NEVER get it. Rudy warts and all took on the liberal establishment in NYC, politicians, union mobs, teachers, the whole lot of them. And he beat them so badly every which way just by employing common sense they will never, ever forgive him.<<
Yes, absolutely. The people on this board who consider anyone to the left of Duncan Hunter to be a “liberal” have apparently never talked to a real liberal. They HATE Rudy, especially the NY Times. Also, this comforting thought that President Hillary will lead to a big GOP resurgence, as in 1994 - well .. maybe but history doesn’t always repeat. Also, unlike in the early 1990s we are actively engaged in a war.
According to new research by a University of California, Berkeley, law professor, the crime rate dropped dramatically during the 1990s, falling 40 percent in cities and states across the country and in all major crime categories from homicides to auto thefts, producing the longest and deepest crime decline in the United States since World War II.
IIRC, the nationwide drop in crime followed the trend in NYC because other cities copied Giuliani's "quality of life" approach to reducing crime.
Finally, most Americans just don’t like NY City. They hate the Yankees baseball team. They don’t like the pushy attitude of New Yorkers. And they don’t like paying for the vast federal subsidies that go to the city.
There are 300 million people in the United States and this blowhard interviewed how many -- 10 or 15? -- before concluding that at least 150,000,001 people don't like NYC. And if the Yankees baseball team is so hated, then whey does the attendance at just about every major league ball park increase substantially when the Yankees are in town?
If I also recall correctly, NYC sends a lot more money to Washington, then Washington sends to NYC.
In case Rudy does win the GOP nomination, I’ve been getting mentally prepared for a weak socialistic matriarchal-type leadership which seems to be the way the government (Fed, State and local) and even business have been heading for several years now. America has evolved from wanting a young sandy-haired leader (Clinton and JFK) to any blonde female. It’s hard to figure with the abundance of blonde jokes but, after they’ve had eight years of Hillary, there undoubtedly be more.
As has been pointed out numerous times on these threads, the crime rate in NYC had already started to fall under Mayor Dinkins. And wouldn’t you give then police commissioner Bill Bratton most of the credit for the turnaround? Rudy never even mentions him, which isn’t surprising considering that Rudy is a power-hungry, selfish, egotistical swine who would rather die than give any person other than himself credit for something good.
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