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Three new fires in San San Bernardino.Mountains (San Bernardino.pulls firefighters from Malibu)
SB Fire & Wind Coverage Blog ^ | 10/22/2007 11:15 AM | Jason Pesick

Posted on 10/22/2007 11:29:32 AM PDT by Smogger

Tracey Martinez, a spokeswoman with the San Bernardino County Fire Department, said officials believe the Rim Forest fire is related to a 1.5 acre blaze that firefighters dealt with Sunday.

Winds are soaring at 60-to-70 miles per hour late this morning.

"Resources are very strained," Martinez said. "We cannot use air attack right now. We have a lot of fires in California."

The county cannot bring its entire force to bear in the mountains because firefighters must be stationed around the county in case any more blazes ignite elsewhere, she said.

But the county did pull back its firefighters from the Malibu blaze, she said.


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KEYWORDS: fire; sanbernardino; wildfire; wildfires
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The fires are the Slide and Green Valley blaze (same locations as Butler II fire) and the latest fire is the Rim Fire.
1 posted on 10/22/2007 11:29:33 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Smogger

I would not be surprised if these fires were all a result of arson. They seem to be multiplying at a high rate. Probably some enviro-whacko wanting to gin up some Global Warming “evidence” to further their “religion.” ......


2 posted on 10/22/2007 11:32:21 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we have consensus.......)
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To: Red Badger

The majority of them are arson.


3 posted on 10/22/2007 11:32:59 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

I’ve been in SoCal during the Santa Anna winds, and I know they can be fierce. I was almost blown off an overpass on my motorcycle near Palm Springs once. Nearly scared me to death......


4 posted on 10/22/2007 11:35:21 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we have consensus.......)
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To: Smogger
"I told them enviro-wackos we needed to clear the underbrush."
5 posted on 10/22/2007 11:36:23 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: Red Badger

There is a video of some dude yesterday trying to fight the fire with his hose....the wind blew him off his yard and down into burning embers....


6 posted on 10/22/2007 11:37:38 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: rightinthemiddle

Some don’t realize the size of the super rugged topography, and what erratic strong winds can do.

They don’t realize you can clear your brush back 200 yards, and with a wind blown wild fire moving at 45 plus miles per hour, hot embers can travel for *miles* into neighborhoods and everywhere else.

I’ve seen hot embers flying at 60 miles per hour, getting sucked up under roof eves, in areas far away from the actual fires.

Some here are just ignorant of the situation.


7 posted on 10/22/2007 11:38:05 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

A good pump and a swimming pool full of water can be a great help for affected homes.


8 posted on 10/22/2007 11:40:30 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("A person's a person no matter how small." -Dr. Seuss)
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To: BurbankKarl

I presume he didn’t have insurance. I’d just leave and take what irreplaceable items I could carry in my car.........


9 posted on 10/22/2007 11:42:59 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we have consensus.......)
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To: dragnet2

That’s not my point. And, as someone who has fought many brush fires, I’m not “ignorant.” My lake place nearly burned from “ember” blown in rough topography (been to the Ozark Mountains?)

Here is what I’m talking about:

http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/consumer/a/healthyforests.htm


10 posted on 10/22/2007 11:44:04 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: dragnet2
Some don’t realize the size of the super rugged topography, and what erratic strong winds can do.

You get around badlands, and it's impossible for anything but air-borne fire fighting. And you have to experience the Santa Anna winds going on for a few days to really appreciate it.

11 posted on 10/22/2007 11:48:09 AM PDT by xJones
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To: Jeff Chandler
In a perfect world, if you have a pool, and the winds are not blowing burning embers at 60 plus miles per hour, far from the actual fires, with the wind changing directions every few minutes.

Watch the fires hose water streams on some of the videos...Many times even with high capacity hoses, the water is blown almost sideways.

Bottom line is, if your in the path of a wind blown wild fire, blowing thousand of hot embers, your in big time trouble, pool pump or not.

12 posted on 10/22/2007 11:48:33 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Smogger

http://rimoftheworld.net/


13 posted on 10/22/2007 11:51:52 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: Smogger

I spent nearly two years in San Bernadino, at Norton AFB, in the early 1980’s. Beautiful country up there in the mountains.

The air quality in general is so much better in recent years. I arrived in March, 1982, and couldn’t see any mountains. The air was opaque for weeks before it cleared enough for me to believe that anything was there.


14 posted on 10/22/2007 11:52:03 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Red Badger

I presume he didn’t have insurance. I’d just leave and take what irreplaceable items I could carry in my car.........

***

If it’s that bad, insurance or no insurance, I’d leave. Your life is more important than your possessions.


15 posted on 10/22/2007 11:52:13 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: BurbankKarl
There is a video of some dude yesterday trying to fight the fire with his hose....the wind blew him off his yard

I think I may have seen that...is he the guy that rolled right thru his prickly pear cactus?

16 posted on 10/22/2007 11:53:19 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: Red Badger
I was almost blown off an overpass on my motorcycle near Palm Springs once. Nearly scared me to death......

There's a reason for all those windmills in that San Gorgonio Pass - it's said to be the ninth windiest place on the planet.

Footnote - the Santa Ana winds don't affect that area. They start funneling down around San Bernardino and the passes to the north and west of there.

17 posted on 10/22/2007 11:56:25 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: ErnBatavia
They start funneling down around San Bernardino and the passes to the north and west of there.

That's where I was. West on I-10 at the off ramp to Yucca Valley and 29-palms. I learned what "venturi effect" meant big time.......

19 posted on 10/22/2007 12:00:10 PM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we have consensus.......)
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To: dragnet2
I’ve seen hot embers flying at 60 miles per hour, getting sucked up under roof eves, in areas far away from the actual fires.

Open soffits have been banned in our county building code, as have wood decks (which sucketh because I've got redwood). The roof vents now have to have metal gratings. The fire marshal wants tiled decks (which weigh a bunch in earthquake country). All decks must also be enclosed underneath.

As usual, these are good ideas in some places and a stupid waste of money in others. That's what you get with government regulation.

20 posted on 10/22/2007 12:04:21 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: TexasCajun
A little preview Fire & Brimestone for the spiritually challanged & homosexuals of Kalifornia.

Yet another spectacular ignorant, asinine comment.

Amazing.

Of course what would one expect from someone who can't spell "challenged" or "brimstone".

21 posted on 10/22/2007 12:04:38 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: TexasCajun

First, “challanged” is not a word. Second, San Diego is a conservative, “normal” place. Your comment is inappropriate and disgusting.


22 posted on 10/22/2007 12:06:41 PM PDT by xjcsa (Defenseless enemies are fun.)
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To: TexasCajun
A little preview Fire & Brimestone for the spiritually challanged & homosexuals of Kalifornia.

Please. There are millions of good people in California. My daughter and her family (her husband is a major in the USMC) are in the middle of this.

23 posted on 10/22/2007 12:07:27 PM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: dragnet2; TexasCajun

Ah yes, I missed the “Brimestone,” whatever that is. Also “Kalifornia.” And apparently “Fire” and “Brimestone” are proper nouns now.


24 posted on 10/22/2007 12:08:06 PM PDT by xjcsa (Defenseless enemies are fun.)
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To: Inspectorette; TexasCajun

As are both my daughters, tyvm. They are both Christians, btw.


25 posted on 10/22/2007 12:08:34 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: All

Jason Davis, with CDF in Green Valley Lake, turns his head from a blast of heat as a home burns near Holcomb Creek Rd. in Green Valley Lake.

26 posted on 10/22/2007 12:10:30 PM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: All

27 posted on 10/22/2007 12:11:04 PM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: Inspectorette

It’s amazing how every one of these threads draws these useless and unoriginal comments.


28 posted on 10/22/2007 12:11:52 PM PDT by gracesdad
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To: Smogger
I just received an e-mail from my mother-in law. My spouses sister and her family were evacuated at 4:00 AM. They will most likely lose their home. They are finding it difficult to find any hotels or shelter. Everything is booked. They have plenty of resources. I suggested renting a luxury travel trailer.

Anyone in S Cal have any ideas? They are desperate!

29 posted on 10/22/2007 12:11:52 PM PDT by poobear (Pure democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner. God save the Republic!)
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To: dragnet2

Don’t forget the flying tumbleweeds!


30 posted on 10/22/2007 12:17:12 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Smogger; All

Does anyone know the current total number of fires burning in SO CAL right now?


31 posted on 10/22/2007 12:18:51 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Pray for our firefighters!)
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To: gracesdad
Must understand, there are many out there that are very jealous of California, it's beauty, weather etc. There have always been people like this.

In events such as this, they can't help themselves.

I responded to a comment of "burn baby burn" the other night, while firefighters put their butts on the line, and thousands of other Americans are trying to save their homes and families.

If I responded to some of these comments like I really want to, I'd be banned from this site.

32 posted on 10/22/2007 12:19:03 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
Bottom line is, if your in the path of a wind blown wild fire, blowing thousand of hot embers, your in big time trouble, pool pump or not.

True, but in marginal areas, pre-soaking your home can save it from destruction.

33 posted on 10/22/2007 12:19:13 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("A person's a person no matter how small." -Dr. Seuss)
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To: poobear

Are they in the mountains?


34 posted on 10/22/2007 12:21:27 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: 444Flyer
From what I understand, it's 17:

Los Angeles Times 10-22-07 Fires

35 posted on 10/22/2007 12:22:34 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: fatnotlazy

I’d leave...Your life is more important than your possessions.”

I’d add, being a dumb A#! could get you and yours as well as a much needed firefighter killed. Don’t drain needed resources by making someone cart your tail outta there!


36 posted on 10/22/2007 12:24:37 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Pray for our firefighters!)
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To: gracesdad

It’s amazing how every one of these threads draws these useless and unoriginal comments.

***

There are those who think every calamity is caused by sin, or what some people think is sin.

The aunt of a friend of mine is dying from cancer. Someone (don’t know who) came for a visit and berated the dying woman for having smoked, drank, and not having married. My friend was upset. I think I would have picked up this ignoramus and thrown him/her out into the street.


37 posted on 10/22/2007 12:24:40 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: All
This fire was "out" yesterday. Looks like it's back on. This area at the bottom of the Cajone pass is VERY VERY VERY windy. From the SB Fire Blog:

215/15 interchange

A fire has been reported at the interchange of the 15 Freeway and the 215 Freeway in the Devore area. There's also an unconfirmed report of a fire off of the 210 Freeway at Sierra Avenue in Fontana.

15 Freeway shut down

North and southbound lanes of the 15 Freeway are closed due to the fire. The wind in the area was howling and debris -- everything from pebbles to chunks of trees and limbs -- was blowing around.

A piece of flying debris broke out the back window of staff photographer Walt Weis' Kia Rio at the scene. Weis was at the scene shooting photos of the fire and was not hurt.

38 posted on 10/22/2007 12:25:33 PM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: BlessedBeGod

Thank you! And seeing your name please see tagline.


39 posted on 10/22/2007 12:26:04 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Pray for our firefighters!)
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To: 444Flyer
You're welcome.

And as far as your tagline, I'm already on the job. ;-)

40 posted on 10/22/2007 12:27:24 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: Inspectorette
Ok, my comments were insensitive to the good people in California.

Best Wishes.

41 posted on 10/22/2007 12:28:24 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Inspectorette

Any threat to Camp Pendleton?


42 posted on 10/22/2007 12:33:26 PM PDT by Sig Sauer P220
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To: Coldwater Creek

http://www.infospace.com/_1_CVGUOE03BG86V9__info.elink/kevmap2/mapresults.htm?lat=33.047101&long=-117.052701%20&matchqual=street&matchpass=street%20&QA=13024%20Olmeda%20Court%20%20%20&QC=San%20Diego%20%20%20&QS=ca%20%20%20&QZ=92128%20%20%20&QO=us%20%20%20&scale=3%20%20&mapsrc=http://baymwsrender07.bay.prod.mappoint.net/render-30/getmap.aspx?key=BBFF1557A8D77F3E47C2%20&scaleO=3%20&QN=&QF=%20&otmplPrev=kevmap2/mapresults.htm

Here is a map link. There are hills and mountains everywhere. They are very worried.


43 posted on 10/22/2007 12:34:16 PM PDT by poobear (Pure democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner. God save the Republic!)
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To: dragnet2

As a resident of Nevada, where we’ve had millions of acres burn as a result of BLM land management policies that are forced down upon us as the result of lawsuits by California environmentalists, many of whom are funded, aided and abetted by celebrities in Malibu, I can say forthrightly that:

1. California’s environmentalists (and their enablers) seem to have forgotten that karma (yes, that new-age hippy-dip concept they like to spout) is a two-sided coin. What goes around has come around. Boo freakin’ hoo.

2. They’ve been living under the same idiotic policies they’ve forced down on us, so it isn’t reasonable to think that they’d be exempt from the results. News flash from the Almighty: You’re no exception. Let the fuel build up and you’ve got a blow-up in your future.

3. When the number of burned acres gets to 500,000 gimme a call. I won’t shed a tear until then. We’re losing hundreds of thousands of acres almost every year thanks to these idiot environmentalists in California sticking their noses into our business over here.

Until people get their heads out of their posteriors and start shouting down the environmental community, you Californians are going to have these blow-ups. Just to remind folks in California, there’s three sides to the fire triangle: air, fuel, heat. You can’t do anything about air and heat. The only variable you can control on a landscape-wide basis is fuel. That means cutting trees, controlled burns, and (yes!) grazing to remove fine-stemmed fuels. With proper management, evil corporations and right-thinking people can be brought in to make money on two out of those three fuel removal processes.


44 posted on 10/22/2007 12:38:23 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: jimtorr
I arrived in March, 1982, and couldn’t see any mountains. The air was opaque for weeks before it cleared enough for me to believe that anything was there.

I've said the same about my arrival at March AFB in August of 85. It was a month or so before I realized there were foothills just beyond the base.

45 posted on 10/22/2007 12:43:45 PM PDT by TankerKC (You don't have to believe everything you think.)
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To: NVDave
As a resident of Nevada, where we’ve had millions of acres burn as a result of BLM land management policies that are forced down upon us as the result of lawsuits by California environmentalists, many of whom are funded, aided and abetted by celebrities in Malibu, I can say forthrightly that:

You obviously are another that hasn't a clue here. Ya see, California, it's topography, large population, and Santa Ana winds aren't Nevada, and it has little to do with environmentalist in events such as wind blown wild brush fires that can spread and jump around for miles in different directions.

I know you'd like to blame California here, and the environmentalist, but please read below.

California has more acreage of steep, super rugged geography than many states have land. Many of these areas are totally inaccessible for most equipment, even for those on foot, add in very strong winds, with embers that can travel at 60 plus miles per hour, for *miles* into neighborhoods and other areas, that are far from the fires...

Would you suggest sending in several hundred thousand people every summer to be airlifted into hundreds of square miles, into all these super rugged steep areas to cut the brush?

46 posted on 10/22/2007 12:49:08 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Sig Sauer P220
Any threat to Camp Pendleton?

Only from real estate developers thus far.

47 posted on 10/22/2007 12:50:31 PM PDT by TankerKC (You don't have to believe everything you think.)
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To: Smogger

Oh wow... looking at that map, makes me wonder how safe BBL is if the winds shift at all...
Polly


48 posted on 10/22/2007 12:53:24 PM PDT by pollywog (Joshua 1:9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid,)
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To: NVDave; dragnet2
We’re losing hundreds of thousands of acres almost every year thanks to these idiot environmentalists in California sticking their noses into our business over here.

Yup. It's deja vu all over again.

Crisis on our National Forests: Reducing the Threat of Catastrophic Wildfire [San Bernardino Fires]

Here's the real problem:

A Burning Desire, A Critique of the Sierra Club Public Lands Fire Management Policy (1999)

49 posted on 10/22/2007 12:54:28 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Smogger
The smoke is showing up on the San Diego weather radar:


50 posted on 10/22/2007 12:55:32 PM PDT by DaGman (`)
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