Posted on 10/23/2007 11:47:00 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
Christian conservatives want more respect. They were instrumental in propelling George W. Bush to power—twice—and now they're feeling neglected. At a "Values Voters" summit in Washington last week, leading evangelicals gathered to speak out and take a straw poll. The survey showed how unhappy they are with the twice-divorced, pro-choice Republican front runner for the presidential nomination, Rudy Giuliani. He got less than two percent of the overall vote. (Some Christian activists have threatened to back a third-party candidate if Giuliani wins the GOP nomination.)
Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney won the straw poll of 5,775 conservatives, which included voters who have been able to cast online ballots since August. But many evangelicals are uncomfortable with Romney's Mormon faith. That may have factored in the voting of people who actually attended the summit: Romney lost that tally by a wide margin to former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, who is also an ordained Southern Baptist minister. To better understand the current thinking of Christian conservatives, NEWSWEEK's Jeffrey Bartholet and Eve Conant spoke to Richard Land, a leading evangelical who serves as president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission. Excerpts:
(Excerpt) Read more at newsweek.com ...
Two words: RUNOFF ELECTIONS.....
I thought Thompson was going to solve this so-called problem for the GOP.
Great! The Guaranteed Democratic Win Party!
Sam Brownback had many faults, but he was pro-life as pro life can be (Don’t give me any crap about Immigration).
Also the grand ayatollah himself wanted that great moral leader Newt to run for President. How does that square with his opposition to Rudy? Let me repeat, I am not a Rudy supporter in the primaries, but if these groups want to vote themselves out of existence, like Ross Perot, go ahead.
If we get 4 years of Hillary, they will be eliminated as an opposition group.
I am a Christian conservative, but they should not do this. If they do, they will cause damage equal to that of Ross Perot. Different issue, same result.
Clinton + Pelosi + Reid = ?
Man comes home and find the wife in bed with his best friend.
He pulls out his gun and sticks it under his chin.
The wife starts laughing.
He says, don’t laugh, your next.
Talk is cheap. On election day, when the reality of a likely Hillary presidency becomes clear, evangelicals are not going to vote 3rd party.
exactly... Another Ross Perot is the answer for the libs.
There is no one conservative leader, IMO these guys are trying to remain relevant, I think if comes down to pro abortion anti famliy Hillary vs a Romney or a Thompson, it won’t matter what Dobson has to say, and that party will go nowhere.
The next President will have at least two (2) Supreme Court Nominations, no way anyone who cares about life puts Hillary in charge of selecting who they will be.
From the article:
It would be like asking an African-American to choose between Strom Thurmond and George Wallace or asking Abe Lincoln to vote for a pro-slavery candidate. I personally can’t do it. I am not going to criticize those who choose the lesser-of-two-evils option.
***Sounds right.
“Oh great wise leader, I say this vote is mine, but neighbor says it is hers. What should we do.”
“Let’s cut it in two, then each of you can have half.”
Newsweak... real insight into the Republican right. /s
Newsweak is trying to cause division.
If we get 4 years of Hillary, they will be eliminated as an opposition group.: SO SICK OF THAT KIND OF RHETORIC: IF THE REPUBLICANS LOOSE- IT’ll BE THEIR FAULT: For electing a LIBERAL/Rino as their candidate (Sheesh..you and others act as if these VOTERS: OWE their Alegience to the All Powerful Political Party, rather than the other way around- in which our elected leaders must “earn” our most fought after right to vote!
I really hate what the Values Voters have been doing to conservatism and to the Republican Party.
I do wish they'd act on their threat and leave. Permanently.
"Propelling GWB to power" is not exactly a big plus, IMO, and I for one am sick to death of the irrelevant criteria they use to select their Bishop Of The United States.
They are a disaster for conservatism and for the Party (for which I have been active since 1968 as a Republican youth and from a churchgoing Republican family).
Abraham Lincoln started the Republican Party, not Dr. Dobson. Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan have most recently articulated the deareat values of conservatism, not Dr. Dobson.
Who are these people?
Oh yea. Everytime I look for answers to great moral questions I turn to ...
... Newsweek? LOL!
Look at the facts.
Right now mediamatters and CREW are being used to go after the GOP and conservatives. Just wait until they get a hold of the DoJ, IRS, FEC, and FCC. They used IRS in the first Clinton administration, there may not be a GOP congress to watchover.
These people are stalinist. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.
There is a certain contingent of them here on FR who crow about and revel in the "lesson" they taught the Republican Party in 2006.
Perhaps they did. All the more reason for them to leave.
Typical Newsweek attacking the conservative political types with no real journalism that is essentially blown up from nothing to do a hatchet job. Nothing to see here folks. Move on.
Rush addressed this briefly today. Clinton’s negatives are so high they prohibit her election. A recent poll shows 50% of likely voters stated they would NEVER vote for her under any circumstances. It’s up from 45%. That’s a stat that guarantees defeat, unless...
UNLESS...you don’t need 51% to win. The ONLY way Clinton gets the White House is a conservative or evangelical 3rd party. Look for their accomplices in the MSM to cheerlead for this.
My, how the Mainstream Media has been all over this one!
In fact, they’re TRYING to build up a third-party run for conservatives.
DEMOCRAT/MSM MANTRA: If we say it enough, it will be true!
If Hillary wins after a significant third party run by the single issue anti-abortion crowd, I'll personally enjoy reminding you of every pro-abortion judge Hillary appoints, and every new Planned Parenthood office opened.
Even if Giuliani wanted pro-abortion judges, Republican senators wouldn't support them, so they wouldn't get past the vetting process. Wild claims that Giuliani = Hillary are just ignorant.
Political parties do matter. Empowering the Republican party in the White House will do more good, and less damage, than empowering the Democrat party similarly. Regardless of the views of any individual candidate on any one issue.
ya know— it is sad that 15 years later people are still buying the lie that Perot is why Clinton won....
the truth is that Bush LOST the election- all his own doing. do recall “Read my lips”????? The fiscal conservatives ran to Perot- but only because our Republican President committed political suicide.
The MSM does a great job of keeping the social conservatives and the fiscal conservatives at odds with each other and we fall in line- blaming each other.....
when will we learn to blame the Republicans who we elect and betray us- instead of blaming each other?
The truth is that most (about 2/3) of the American voters think their leaders are too liberal- weather in the Dem or Republican party.
conservatism wins.
we just have to stop fighting each other- and put the blame where it belongs- the Republicans DC that actually need us to shut down the lines in order for them to pay attention to what we want......
Get real,
If you guys do the 3rd party thing and hitlery gets in then the dims will be proven right about the Christian Right.
Hitlery, more lib judges and all, think about it, JSDude1
Most social conservatives are also fiscally conservative.
Most fiscal conservatives believe in God and don’t hate Christians.
Personal Responsibility is at the core of both.
“Great! The Guaranteed Democratic Win Party!”
I’m afraid that’s the GOP, regardless of whether there is a third party or not.
And I say it’s criminal, CRIMINAL, that Barak Obama is being cut out as an option for the Democrats. I say, Obama, start your own party if you have to! Run as an independent! Show those Democrats that there is another way!
Obama for Independent!
Another Clinton in the WH thanks to a 3rd party candidate???
It’s the only way Hitlery can win.
News WEAK! BS!
I’ll personally enjoy reminding you of every pro-abortion judge Hillary appoints, and every new Planned Parenthood office opened.
***Let’s see. You basically admitted you were a troll on another thread, and now you’re going to stalk me. OK. I suppose you owe Free Republic a list of people who supported aRINOld so we can stalk them. It’s only fair. I wouldn’t doubt if the folks who supported that abomination are the same who support tootyfruityRudy, and cannot learn the lesson.
Oh, didn’t see that was you, eeevil.
How’s Hotlanta?
I ALWAYS look to NewsWeAk to explain the intricacies of Republican politics to me. Well, usually. Sometimes, perhaps. Or, once in a while. Just who is kidding whom, anyway?
A few years ago in Michigan the Dem machine got out the vote by way of the union organizers to get everyone to go vote for McCain in the primary, to defeat Bush here. To make the task easier, they pulled the Democrats out of the election and said they would choose the nominee in a caucus later on. It worked, Bush lost Michigan in the primary. Relatives of ours were crowing about how they helped kill Bush's chances here.
agreed.....
but right now- these two groups seem to be at war over the Republican party.....or at least according to the MSM...and sadly enough- I see a lot of it here on FR...
It might be just me- but both fiscal and social conservatives- are attacked and accused of helping to create another “Perot” stlye win for the Dems....
I explain it better here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1915159/posts?page=11#11
btw— have I told you lately that YOU ROCK!!!???
They will not do that to our guys out in two war theaters sweating and bleeding.
But Christian “leaders” who speak to Newsweek, an enemy publication, are another story.
Right now- Hotlanta is GREAT!!
(MNJohnnie is here visiting!!)
;-)
DIVIDE AND CONQUER! Do not bite.
Remember the media is generally all fighting for a liberal president here and they are part of the machine to make that happen.
I do respect your frustration and comments, we have a big tent in the GOP. We will all come together on voting day and make sure no liberal candidate gets the presidency. PERIOD. By the way I think they should add another "voters" type vote called "FISCAL VOTERS" where we weigh the candidates on their fiscal policies etc.
As a conservative Christian I like all the ways we evaluate our candidates. The more examination and evaluation the better. The more information in which to make decisions. By the way just because one wins or loses in the Value Voters arena doesn't make them the candidate for a conservative Christian. People just get a sense of how each candidate is viewed in this light. Their are other lights as well. Sometimes one weighs many areas, some weigh just a few. We are all only human after all. :-)
Tell him his buddy RITM said “Hey!”
Something going on here...you two...
WILL DO!!!
Two words: DIMS WIN.....
Most fiscal conservatives believe in God and don’t hate Christians.
Personal Responsibility is at the core of both.
Great point and well said. :-)
“The next President will have at least two (2) Supreme Court Nominations, no way anyone who cares about life puts Hillary in charge of selecting who they will be.”
Makes sense. I sincerely hope you’re right.
If so I'm all for it.
I predict that with so many Republican senators deciding to retire and with the conservatives' displeasure with the senate's immigration "reform" push, come 2009 the senate will have a solid democrat majority. They will be able to easily block any conservative nominee to the supreme court. Recall how the senate blocked Bork under Reagan and Haynesworth and Carswell under Nixon.
Look at these clowns. Who says God doesn’t have a sense of humor?
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