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Everything that is was created 6,010 years ago TODAY!
Worldnet Daily ^ | October 23, 2007 | Worldnet Daily

Posted on 10/23/2007 3:07:36 PM PDT by balch3

How old is the world?

Most people would say: "Nobody knows."

But the author of the book frequently described as the greatest history book ever written, said the world was created Oct. 23, 4004 B.C. – making it exactly 6,010 today.

In the 1650s, an Anglican bishop named James Ussher published his "Annals of the World," subtitled, "The Origin of Time, and Continued to the Beginning of the Emperor Vespasian's Reign and the Total Destruction and Abolition of the Temple and Commonwealth of the Jews." First published in Latin, it consisted of more than 1,600 pages.

The book, now published in English for the first time, is a favorite of homeschoolers and those who take ancient history seriously. It's the history of the world from the Garden of Eden to the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70.

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Of course, there will be those who disagree with Ussher's calculations of time – especially evolutionists who need billions of years to explain their theory of

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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Isaac Newton was also a secret alchemist. He was highly superstitious. The reason why there are 7 colors in the rainbow, dates to Newton and his work on optics. He split the light beam into its spectra and imposed 7 colors on it— simply because 7 was a magic number for him.
101 posted on 10/23/2007 5:05:10 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: bereanway

I agree that God is not bound by time, but I do not think we can hold God to 1000 yrs=1day. It’s true as you say, to God time is meaningless. I will still hold that they are not a literal 1000 yrs, while I do hold the precepts, doctrine , and history of the Bible as being literally true, I believe that those that wrote it under God’s direction utilized common literary devices, such as hyperbole and metaphors to illustrate their points.


102 posted on 10/23/2007 5:06:27 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Grunthor; balch3
How old is the world? ~ balch3

Hundreds of Billions of years. ~ Grunthor

Quite a trick, considering the universe is only 13 billion or so years old...

103 posted on 10/23/2007 5:07:37 PM PDT by null and void (Franz Kafka would have killed himself in despair if he lived in the world we inhabit today.)
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To: vpintheak
And its because of that hard-headed approach - denying a fundamental truth of the age regarding the Earth that I gave up believing in any aspect of the Bible.
104 posted on 10/23/2007 5:08:30 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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105 posted on 10/23/2007 5:12:05 PM PDT by Gvl_M3 (Sometimes, you have to stand up for yourself, even if it doesn't look "Compassionate.")
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To: allmendream

You’re exactly right. The entire universe IS a parable. We can learn a lot about God, and about ourselves from it. We deal with the consequences of our actions every time we bury someone we love. Someone once said that the only man made things in Heaven are Jesus’ scars.


106 posted on 10/23/2007 5:13:06 PM PDT by yankeesdoodle
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Time also slows to a singularity. An Earth day at the speed of light can seem like eternity.


107 posted on 10/23/2007 5:16:42 PM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: P8riot

1000 yrs to 1 day would only be 70,000 years - which of course, is way to young for the 4.6 billion year old planet.


108 posted on 10/23/2007 5:17:16 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: yankeesdoodle
So the Universe is but Genesis isn’t? Days were days before there was a sun. And a day to the lord is as a thousand years....BUT NOT THEN! Not when it was only HIM and man had not even been created yet. HE was using a 24 hour solar day before the sun had even been created yet!
109 posted on 10/23/2007 5:17:53 PM PDT by allmendream (A binary modality is a sure sign you don't understand the problem. (Hunter 08))
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To: null and void

It was every bit as relevant an answer as if I’d said 6,000 years.


110 posted on 10/23/2007 5:20:54 PM PDT by Grunthor (No Giuliani, No Problem.)
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To: mountn man
These that you have listed are not metaphors, but rather settled matters of doctrine. The writers used metaphors to illustrate truths, such as:

Exodus 19:3-5

3And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;

 4Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

 5Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

And Isaiah 40:31

31But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

Taken literally the first passage suggested that God has eagles wings, and the second suggests that if we wait on God we will. The first actually illustrates God bringing us to himself, the second illustrates that God will give strength to those that put their trust in him.

111 posted on 10/23/2007 5:21:55 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

Unless the planet is not 4.6 billion years old, as we have been led to believe.


112 posted on 10/23/2007 5:23:32 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: allmendream

what I’m saying is that when the universe was pushed into our universe, and according to the Bible, once upon a time, our “universe” consisted of the earth only. And at first it was covered in liquid water on day one which would have meant that the temperature was quite pleasant. I would bet my life that in the reference frame God was using to measure time, the creation event, the unfolding of space and the setting up of the universe (which reminds me of when we unzip a piece of software, or when a single cell divides into what it was programmed to become (and after all Jesus is called the “author” of life), I would bet my life that His stopwatch measure 7 24-hour periods. That much is certain. God exists outside of space and time. Good luck trying to have a conversation with Him about time.

Jesus told the jews that Abraham loved Him. And so the jews said, sure, you’re not yet 50 years old, and Abraham had been dead for hundreds of years. Sure, you met him, they sneered. So Jesus said, before Abraham was, I am. SO He literally meant that He, Jesus, was standing speakign to those jews, but He was also standing hundreds of years before in a different time period. There is only one being that can exist in multiple time frames, and that is God, which is why the jews picked up stones to kill Him. Leviticus teaches that if a man claimed to be God, you had to stone Him. They understood about relativity in those days, to an extent.


113 posted on 10/23/2007 5:25:07 PM PDT by yankeesdoodle
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To: Grunthor

I didn’t get it until I read your later posts...


114 posted on 10/23/2007 5:25:59 PM PDT by null and void (Franz Kafka would have killed himself in despair if he lived in the world we inhabit today.)
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

I am sorry to hear that. Even though I do not understand why some things are the way they are, I still will never put my faith on the cornerstone of men’s knowledge.


115 posted on 10/23/2007 5:38:36 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

If all distances shrink to zero, then why does it take different, measureable amounts of time for light from the Sun to reach each planet in our Solar System?


116 posted on 10/23/2007 5:39:59 PM PDT by Melinator (testing... test, test, test, Is this thing on?)
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To: allmendream

I forgot to add this part. When taken in context that verse means nothing what intelligent design people want it to. Simply put, Peter is calling for patience. We humans have no patience and our timetables and desires are not the same as Gods. Please read:

2 Peter 3
The Day of the Lord
1Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you. I have written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking. 2I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles.
3First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

8But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.


117 posted on 10/23/2007 5:40:45 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: Melinator

What I don’t understand is professing Christians who still hold to evolution, and an old earth, when the Bible clearly states that there was no death before Adam sinned. They pick and choose the parts of scripture they wish to believe, and just so they won’t have to defend their faith (if they have any at all), or to be accepted by their worldly friends, they compromise with a lie that denies the Word of God.


118 posted on 10/23/2007 5:43:44 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Melinator
"then why does it take different, measureable amounts of time for light from the Sun to reach each planet"

Have you been to other planets? Have you measured the time it takes light to go from the sun to those planets?

... crickets ...

I didn't think so.

119 posted on 10/23/2007 5:44:25 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: yankeesdoodle

As far as we can tell, the stars are moving away from each other at top speed. If they were chained together, they aren’t anymore.


120 posted on 10/23/2007 5:45:03 PM PDT by Melinator (testing... test, test, test, Is this thing on?)
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

***He split the light beam into its spectra and imposed 7 colors on it— simply because 7 was a magic number for him.***

Perhaps it is because there are 3 primary colors and 3 secondary colors.
He just added a complimentary color.


121 posted on 10/23/2007 5:52:13 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: tacticalogic
Its obviously written metaphoricaly. The style of writing is metaphoricaly.

The early church understood Revelation to be metaphoric, and some had to be explained the meanings.

But the Jews, in ancient days, who Genesis was initially written to, never thought of creation in metaphoric terms, because it wasn't written in that style.

I don't read Hebrew, but at times I have translated words and phrases, backed by experts in the language. The one thing I understand about Hebrew vs English is that the language has more meaning to its words than often English does. More can be involved with words than what "we" non Hebrew speakers understand.

Such as John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
We read I am as, Iam this or I am that. But Christ was using I AM, a name that God uses for himself. In essence claiming to be God himself. Which then was followed by John 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, [[going through the midst of them, and so passed by.]]
If I am were simply as we read it, it never would have stirred the pharisees to want to kill him.

I do believe the timeline in Genesis is literal. BUT, I understand the whole 1 day is as a thousand years thinking. And though I don't choose to believe it, I think it can be a possibility. Its just not really important when it comes to salvation.

If I heard of a credible source, who was a Hebrew expert, who could explain Genesis being written metaphorically, I might be more accepting of this theory.

But so far as I know, the only arguments I've heard for a day being longer than a day, are people who don't understand fluently Hebrew.

Once again, as far as I know.

122 posted on 10/23/2007 5:56:17 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: yankeesdoodle

Stars do not form in minutes. So observing a star being born is kind of hard. Will take hundreds of years of observation to begin seeing stars forming.


123 posted on 10/23/2007 6:07:35 PM PDT by Iwentsouth
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To: yankeesdoodle

Is this to be taught as Intelligent Design ?

Of course I mean to suggest that ID is in fact a cover for this kind of thinking, which would quickly reveal itself in any program of ID instruction. This is the esoterica for which ID is the exoterica.

“Truth is just truth, you can’t have opinions about truth.” - Peter Shickele


124 posted on 10/23/2007 6:42:13 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: P8riot

“This is hyperbole. It was never meant as a conversion formula.”

I don’t see it as hyperbole at all. I’d say it means that God, as the Creator of time is out side of it. WE are in it. the 1/1000-1000/1 cancel one another out equaling zero time.


125 posted on 10/23/2007 6:58:49 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: no one in particular

Which brings me to one of my hobby horses:

We already agree that our calendar is wrong, off by anywhere from 2 to 16 years, depending on who’s doing the reckoning, and further in error because of the absence of a year zero.

The more fundamental point is that God did not intend us to mark His years by the birth of Jesus.

If He had intended this we would have a Biblical fixing of the date.

Further, the day of Jesus’ birth is unremarkable as all men are born.

However, very few return from the dead, that event is remarkable, and it is the defining moment of Christianity, the very moment of proof that his sacrifice was not in vain. And the Bible gives a precise reference for when this happened!

Clearly this was the date the calender was supposed to start!

For extra points, this makes our calender off by anywhere from 17 to 30 years. That makes this something like Holy Year 1990 to Holy Year 1977, giving us anywhere from 10 to 23 years to get our affairs in order before the real end of the millennium...


126 posted on 10/23/2007 6:59:08 PM PDT by null and void (Franz Kafka would have killed himself in despair if he lived in the world we inhabit today.)
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To: Gvl_M3; eyedigress

Ping to me also!


127 posted on 10/23/2007 7:00:07 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: TalBlack

I agree that God is not bound by time. I just don’t think we can play hard and fast with the 1000 yrs=1 day thing.


128 posted on 10/23/2007 7:03:50 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: balch3
Just another idiot trying to explain the unexplainable and fathom the unfathomable.

God is God and cannot, will not be categorized, explained and understood by mortal man in this realm.

129 posted on 10/23/2007 7:09:20 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: ari-freedom

“I’m sorry but I don’t believe any of it. I believe in scientific evidence, anything else is open to interpretation.”

The apparent impossibility of some of the assertions of the Bible would be nothing more than a test of Faith. If God is the Author of all things then no amount of scientific proof can stand against the Truth in the bible.


130 posted on 10/23/2007 7:10:24 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: allmendream

Archaic orthodox view, as in what they ONCE used to believe? A small sub-sect of Judaism at best then. Modern Orthodox mostly not, and all other sects definitely not.
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no this isn’t correct, especially those who are not Modern orthodox. Lubavitch, Lakewood...all the major accepted authorities today.
All Orthodox Jews, including modern, date their Jewish legal documents (marriage, divorce, etc) from the beginning of creation. All orthodox Jews believe in a universal flood of Noah.

I, on the other hand, once used to believe that the universe was billions of years old and there is some solid basis for this idea in judaism (and not just a simple 1 day = 1000 year equation which doesn’t really give you billions of years by itself)

see
http://www.lulu.com/content/86052 by Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan that you can download for free
But this is not the mainstream view even though obviously there is some truth to it. That’s why this debate is so crazy :)


131 posted on 10/23/2007 7:13:06 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: TalBlack

well think of it this way. imagine if all the scientists claimed that all the evidence pointed to a very young universe. There would be no question about the Bible and no room for faith.


132 posted on 10/23/2007 7:16:06 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Condor51

and your credentials are????

YEAH..YOU INVENTED The INTERNET/CALENDAR/RADIOCARBON DATING...SO MANY STUPID ASSUMPTIONS SO LITTLE TIME.


133 posted on 10/23/2007 7:16:28 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: Hostage

No such thing as time? What you mean by that?


134 posted on 10/23/2007 7:17:40 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: ari-freedom
Only 25% of Jews are Orthodox. Of these how many are of the belief that the universe is only 6,000 years old?

Apparently not that many.

The Rabbinical Council of America (Orthodox) has maintained that evolutionary theory, properly understood, is not incompatible with belief in a Divine Creator, nor with Genesis.

Prominent Orthodox rabbis who have affirmed that the world is older, and that life has evolved over time, include Aryeh Kaplan (1934-1983), Israel Lipschitz, Sholom Mordechai Schwadron (the MaHaRSHaM) (1835-1911), Zvi Hirsch Chajes(1805-1855).

One of the most prominent writers on this subject in the Orthodox Jewish community is Gerald Schroeder, an Israeli physicist. He has written a number of articles and popular books attempting to reconcile Jewish theology with modern scientific findings that the world is billions of years old and that life has evolved over time. (Genesis and the Big Bang: The Discovery of Harmony Between Modern Science and the Bible) His work has received approbations from a number of Orthodox rabbinic authorities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_evolution

135 posted on 10/23/2007 7:33:02 PM PDT by allmendream (A binary modality is a sure sign you don't understand the problem. (Hunter 08))
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To: yankeesdoodle

Back away from the silly putty; very slowly...


136 posted on 10/23/2007 7:43:49 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

In one of Hawkings many video productions there is a discussion of time. Without going into too many details the summation was that is a convenient human construct that has no existence apart from the human mind.

It is also relative and its determination depends on one’s frame of reference.

If you are serious I will find the actual video discussion but it will have to be later as I have a one year old (actually 13.4 months) to wash.


137 posted on 10/23/2007 7:47:35 PM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: Red Badger

Peter is being metaphorical to illustrate a point. That verse is always taken out of context.

The Psalmist said that “better is one day in the courts of the Lord than a thousand elsewhere.” He didn’t mean literally 1,000 days, he was using emphasis to make a point.

One need go no further than Genesis to discern the age of the earth.


138 posted on 10/23/2007 7:49:37 PM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (FR Member ItsOurTimeNow: Declared Anathema by the Council of Trent)
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To: Grunthor
Did you notice it said "one day is with the """LORD""" as as thousand years,....

it did not say with MAN. And to prove it, is one day a thousand years to you? Man. Well it is to the LORD if the Bible is true.

139 posted on 10/23/2007 7:51:43 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: balch3

Of course it’s considered ‘span’, it’s a span of time.


140 posted on 10/23/2007 7:59:55 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: scrabblehack

http://www.popupatstartup.nl/index.php?nr=1

states that Ussher calculated Noah’s leaving the Ark to be on:
december 28, 2346 BC

The old family bible gives a date of 2348 BC, with the year turning right at Genesis 8:13 —


Gen 8:13 And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first [month], the first [day] of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.
Gen 8:14 And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried.
....
Gen 8:18 And Noah went forth, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons’ wives with him:

Hmmm...I suppose it is possible that years began in late October until Exodus 12 (1491 B.C.), and that Noah might have exited the ark as late as 28 Dec....

I guess it’s possible what I’m looking at is not an Ussher Bible — was there a competing chronology?


141 posted on 10/23/2007 8:00:24 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: yankeesdoodle
I repeat, no star has ever been observed to form.

Um...that would be because we've been observing the universe scientifically for, at most, a few thousand years...simple laws of physics state that's but the blink of an eye to a star's birth...that's like staring at a glacier for 10 seconds and saying you don't believe glaciers move because you never saw it move.

142 posted on 10/23/2007 8:03:22 PM PDT by RockinRight (The Council on Illuminated Foreign Masons told me to watch you from my black helicopter.)
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To: allmendream

yes I am certainly familiar with all these views. I gave the link to Rabbi Kaplan.

Schroeder accepts the view that the universe was created in 6 24 hour days but he tries to reconcile with time dilation. I have a few technical problems with that approach.

The RCA represents Modern orthodoxy. They are entitled to that view but practically all chasidic groups, including Lubavitch and most Yeshivas maintain the traditional view.

And all Jews keep Rosh Hashana and date their wedding documents the same way.


143 posted on 10/23/2007 8:04:55 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: yankeesdoodle
The Bible also says that the sun will burn “seven times as brightly” as it does now.

That would increase the temperature of Earth to over 1000 degrees. NO human would survive that.

Although...that sounds like the beginnings of a red giant sun to me...I must admit.

144 posted on 10/23/2007 8:05:49 PM PDT by RockinRight (The Council on Illuminated Foreign Masons told me to watch you from my black helicopter.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

We have sent probes to places in the solar system that prove that light travels at a specific, fixed speed because of things like communication delays.


145 posted on 10/23/2007 8:11:40 PM PDT by RockinRight (The Council on Illuminated Foreign Masons told me to watch you from my black helicopter.)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Now THAT is the kind of answer this thread deserves.


146 posted on 10/23/2007 8:12:06 PM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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To: Iwentsouth

Try hundreds of thousands of years.


147 posted on 10/23/2007 8:12:46 PM PDT by RockinRight (The Council on Illuminated Foreign Masons told me to watch you from my black helicopter.)
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To: balch3

It would benefit the Creationists greatly if they got off of this “young earth” kick.
Say “yes” to micro-evolution, (adaptation within a species).
Say “Nonsense” to macro-evolution, (a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy)
Pretending to be able to add up the life-spans from Begats and add the “7 days” of Creation, is as obtuse as pretending to be able to distill Revelations.
Challenge the evolutionists to defend the theories they pretend are science.
There is no need to pretend that you ‘do’ have the answers, beyond citing Creation.


148 posted on 10/23/2007 8:15:00 PM PDT by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: GSWarrior

Oh yea, I always enjoy my Span with racially insensitive overtones. ;)

149 posted on 10/23/2007 8:23:42 PM PDT by kAcknor ("A pistol! Are you expecting trouble sir?" "No miss, were I expecting trouble I'd have a rifle.")
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To: balch3

I believe that the fish don’t know they’re wet, even the fish with science degrees!


150 posted on 10/23/2007 8:28:56 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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