Skip to comments.Everything that is was created 6,010 years ago TODAY!
Posted on 10/23/2007 3:07:36 PM PDT by balch3
How old is the world?
Most people would say: "Nobody knows."
But the author of the book frequently described as the greatest history book ever written, said the world was created Oct. 23, 4004 B.C. making it exactly 6,010 today.
In the 1650s, an Anglican bishop named James Ussher published his "Annals of the World," subtitled, "The Origin of Time, and Continued to the Beginning of the Emperor Vespasian's Reign and the Total Destruction and Abolition of the Temple and Commonwealth of the Jews." First published in Latin, it consisted of more than 1,600 pages.
The book, now published in English for the first time, is a favorite of homeschoolers and those who take ancient history seriously. It's the history of the world from the Garden of Eden to the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70.
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Of course, there will be those who disagree with Ussher's calculations of time especially evolutionists who need billions of years to explain their theory of
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I’ve got an old family Bible from the 1800’s, written in English. It does have dates in the margin, with Genesis starting in 4004 B.C. There is no day however. It has Chapter 2 of Matthew being 4 B.C. — again no day. The Crucifixion is set in A.D. 33.
I don’t see that it is an Ussher Bible though.
I've always read "22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elects sake those days shall be shortened", meaning not that the individual days would be shortened, but that if it weren't for Christ coming back when he does, calling a halt to the natural outcome, everyone would perish.
That is how I've always read it. I haven't studied the passage in actual Greek or Hebrew, so I don't know what actual words are used, which could reveal what was really intended.
Translations from Greek or Hebrew to English, can be so lacking at times.
I don’t believe this is metaphorical. Rather it attests to the fact that God is transcendent. He exists outside of time and space, therefore, since he created time it has no constraining influence upon Him. As a matter of fact, in Revelation where John states that he was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day many believe that refers not to Sunday which was not referred to as the Lord’s Day until a couple hundred years after John wrote, rather it refers to the “Day of the Lord”, the most commonly used prophetic term in all of Scripture. John was literally transported forward in time and viewed those events which have not yet occurred in our space-time continuum as they were occurring.
Don't tell Ken Ham that. Screws with his whole Genesis theory.
Yes, but Khan will steal Genesis unless you speak in coded transmission where hours may seem like days . . .
16 hour days would not make the year shorter. A year is the time it takes the earth to orbit the sun. All 16 hour days would mean is that a year would be roughly 548 days long.
Im sorry but I dont believe any of it. I believe in scientific evidence, anything else is open to interpretation. The bible can say anything you want it to say, especially when it comes to the creation of the universe.
I have a question then. According to the Bible, people used to live to be hundreds of years old, especially Methuselah. Are those ages also subject to interpretation? After all, scientists don’t believe it is possible for man to live that long.
To me it indicates that the physical conditions of those times were very different than today.
"Matthew 24: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elects sake those days shall be shortened"
"Isaiah 24:20: The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard."
"Revelation 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise."
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Looks like the first (ex nihilo) stoichiometry problem. Wait... isn't that an oxymoron? And why is The Far Side coming to mind?
What in God's great Book is your source for that?
And on the 7th day, the 7th 1000 year period, we get our rest, when Lord Jesus returns.
Again, is there a source for this, or is it sheer speculation?
I suspect we are very close to our 6000th year, but not quite.
Taking the scriptural genealogies at face value, we're at least at 6,110 years, plus fractions of years (unless everyone had kids exactly on their birthdays).
You would have to leave 7 years out for the tribulation, so at the very very latest, we could be in the year 5993, by Gods reckoning.
Thus demonstrating the fallacy of your entire idea.
Notice that during the tribulation, the Bible teaches that the days will be shortened by a third, which means that instead of a 24 hour day, we will have 16 hour days.
That's a truly bizarre interpretation.
Oh well, in a couple hundred more years all this end-times hysteria might fade away (although I doubt it). It's the Christian version of eco-alarmism: it's all going to happen, just around the corner. Except it never does...although to be precise, it once did, in 70 AD.
I didn’t say it was metaphorical. It is hyperbole just like the 2 Peter verse. Scripture use metaphors in other places. While I believe we should strive to understand the literal message of scripture I don’t believe we should take hyperbole, and metaphors at face value.
***Oh good. Let’s take the world of an alchemist as proof Ussher was right. ***
I think Newton was more than just an alchemist. How about Mathmatician. Many of his formulas for math ate in use today.
Since when has one day, not been one day? If you really believe in the Bible, not man’s science, when God created the sun, there was day and night, and this was the first day. God set it all in motion from the beginning, it hasn’t changed. It says a day, it means a day.
Dramatic chipmunk alert!
As for the movement of the earth closer to the sun, into a tighter orbit, there is quite a bit said—
Isa 24:20 “The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
The earth is currently upside-down. If you go due north, you will hit the constellation of Draco, the dragon. When Jesus returns, His enemies are “placed at His feet”. The earth will be righted, moved out of its orbit, and moved closer to teh sun. At first, the earth will be scorched, in fact the Bible talks about the seas literally boiling, and evaporating. But this is part of God’s plan and with the universe repaired, the laws of physics altered and the vapor canopy, the firmament reinstated, we will enjoy quite a better world. After all, the sun is symbolic of God in the Bible, and we have moved away from Him. When He returns, we will be brought closer. Physically, as well as symbolically.
Absolutely friggin’ hilarious. This sort of thing is the number one reason lefties laugh at us - they think the majority of conservatives believe this kind of nonsense.
you’ll notice that in the article it states that they haven’t been “born” yet. This is typical. Scientists WANT, they NEED to see stars being born, so they say, oh, the interstellar nurseries are gas and dust, and our technology can penetrate to see first hand, but believe us! I repeat, no star has ever been observed to form. Science is all about observation. The Bible says that the universe has been subjected to futility. We know this. Entropy. Death. I repeat- we are running on fumes.
No, I really can’t agree this can be interpreted as hyperbolic. Clearly, both verses are stated as pertaining in God’s sight. God’s tanscendence is noted thoughout Scripture, therefore, for a transcendent God our concept of time is meaningless, and that’s exactly what these verses state. These verses then are literally true in God’s sight, there is no difference between a day and a thousand years when you are not bound by time.
I forgot to add this part. When taken in context that verse means nothing what intelligent design people want it to. Simply put, Peter is calling for patience. We humans have no patience and our timetables and desires are not the same as Gods. Please read:
2 Peter 3
The Day of the Lord
1Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you. I have written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking. 2I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles.
3First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
8But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
Really?!? I never knew.....
The point is he was also an alchemist, so I'm going to err on the side of caution and not take his word on philosophical matters as fact. Anybody that believed that bunk had to have more than one screw loose
Oh, and also, this is funny. Just using the conservation laws, momentum for example, that we know to be true, if you take a several light year-across collection of gas and dust, and crush it inwards into a stellar-sized object like our sun, if you do the math, when it is about the size of our sun, it would be rotating at 8 or so times light speed. Like a skater pulling in her arms. That’s some rotation.
Can you name a sect of Judaism that believes the world is 6,000 years old?
The majority of Christians also do not hold that view, most hold with the Thomas Aquinas philosophy about the intersection of Scientific data and matters of faith.
“The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”
Saint Thomas Aquinas
All this is available in an introductory level Physics book. Check out your local library.
You do realize that sufficient sun heat to boil the oceans would much more quickly burn up everything on land, including all the people, don’t you?
Why cannot these verses be interpreted figuratively, as any rational person would assume when reading them?
Is the great flood metaphor?
What about Lots wife being turned to salt?
How about the pillar of fire and cloud leading the Israelites out of Egypt?
What about the death of Christ?
What about the resurrection?
What about Christ's claim to deity
What is literal and what is metaphor?
Do we claim something is a metaphor simply because we as men can't understand or explain something to our own comprehension?
You haven’t read about the plagues in the Bible, that seem an awful like like radiation sickness, and that when Jesus returns people are hiding in caves (to block the radiation)? And also that when Jesus returns a man will be “rarer than fine gold?” Yes, most humans will be killed off. Jesus will return to an almost empty planet. That’s why the Bible says that 7 women will encircle a man and beg him to be their husband. The Bible also says that the sun will burn “seven times as brightly” as it does now. And then, the moon will be like the sun is now. Not a lot for the imagination. That’s pretty clear.
Thanks for the response.
Can you name a sect of Judaism that believes the world is 6,000 years old?
it is the mainstream Orthodox view (not necessarily modern orthodox)
***The point is he was also an alchemist, so I’m going to err on the side of caution and not take his word on philosophical matters as fact. Anybody that believed that bunk had to have more than one screw loose.***
Why not just lump Newton with Pascal and Galileo and declare them all to be know nothings.
and most scientists are liberals and believe in Glorebal (sic) warming so you have to err on the side of caution when it comes to accepting their words as fact.
Oh, and also, you’ll notice that for the last 3 1/2 years of the tribulation, no rain falls on the earth. So that water is being evaporated to reform the firmament. God will be rebuilding the earth. Earth will be sharply rotated, jolted, so that the mountains will be broght low and the valleys raised up (from the rotational forces, the earth will be flattened to prepare it for world-wide agriculture). The earth is going to be made into a giant garden. In order to do that, everything has to change. With the vapor canopy, the firmament reinstated, radiation from the sun will be partially blocked so that people’s life spans will be muchg greater than they are now. The Bible says that a sinner will die at the age of 100 and be called a child. One of the reasons we die so young, is because we have a very thin atmosphere, and pukey ozone layer. Our shields are almost down. Like I said, the “curses” of the tribulation are just God’s way of turning the earth back into a garden. The seas will vanish, as John said there were no more seas. A LOT of landmass is going to be freed up. We will no longer need the seas, which are salt water (antiseptic) to filter our air and water, the earth will be in perfect balance and that will no longer be needed.
A little knowledge can make one sound very stupid.
No problemo, I figured you would eventually.
Usher did a simple counting of ages of patriarchs who begat patriarchs, assuming that they formed an unbroken line to the beginning of the human race. The genealogy is not so straightforward because it’s clearly evident that a grandfather or more distant ancestor can be considered to have begotten his descendant. Some of the genealogical lists in the Bible have been abbreviated for stylistic or other reasons, thus demonstrating the flaw with Usher’s approach to dating the origin of the human race.
Do you think Revelation should be read literally?
Please read Genesis. The sun was created on the fourth day. Saying that the previous days were 24 hour earth rotation days in relation to the sun is pure speculation.
14 ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
“Since when has one day, not been one day?”
Well, since God invented TIME ITSELF, I believe it mean’t whatever He wanted it to at the “time.”
Genesis was written for humans, not God. The creation account is written in a frame of reference as if a human were atnding on the earth at that time. The creation account of Genesis si exactly what a man would have seen at that time, with human eyes. As God stretched out the heavens (space) He added energy to space (let there be light), and space absorbed that energy and expanded, like a sponge, and reflected excess energy. I suspect this is the “background radiation’s” source. The light at that time may have been so bright, that the light from the sun and stars may have been blocked for a few days, until the light faded and they could be made out.
Wow, amazing to think about things like that. There is simply so much we don’t know
Maybe you should reread the post I responded to.
Evening and morning, the first day. Saying creatures lived millions of years in the day only, or the evening only is the real speculation. The Bible says day, it is a day.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morningthe first day.
the late 1880s, Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch wrote that while he doubted common descent....
“Even if this notion were ever to gain complete acceptance by the scientific world, Judaism in that case would call upon its adherents to give even greater reverence than ever before to the one, sole God Who, in His boundless creative wisdom and eternal omnipotence, needed to bring into existence no more than one single, amorphous nucleus and one single law of “adaptation and heredity” in order to bring forth, from what seemed chaos but was in fact a very definite order, the infinite variety of species we know today, each with its unique characteristics that sets it apart from all other creatures.” (Collected Writings, vol. 7 pp. 263-264).
Sorry, I did react a little fast, without thinking about the sun and the first day, I have to wath myself at times. That being said my previous post to you stands.
Genesis says that a being of infinite MIGHT and MAGESTY took his time and put in the equivalent of a man’s work week to create the universe. He ‘divided light from darkness’ creating the laws of the universe, he brought forth life, and he made humanity and gave them souls after his own image so that they could dwell with him forever in Heaven. Then he rested on the seventh day.
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