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Great Britain: Production of Show Boat is sunk after race row over 'blacked-up' actors
The Daily Mail (U.K.) ^ | October 23, 2007

Posted on 10/23/2007 5:29:14 PM PDT by Stoat

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To: muawiyah; Stoat

Jerome Kern ....
What is he? Chopped liver? He was Jewish too


21 posted on 10/23/2007 6:43:32 PM PDT by dennisw (Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: Stoat

22 posted on 10/23/2007 6:49:12 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (What did Rather know and when did he know it?)
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To: Argus
http://www.bbc.co.uk/videonation/articles/c/cumbria_elmina.shtml

Guy's a Moslem ~ the Jewish angle is paramount in his statement.

23 posted on 10/23/2007 6:52:48 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: texpat72
I don’t recall the ‘n’ word being in any of those songs!

The verse to 'Old Man River', in the version I heard went:

'Darkies all work on the Mississippi,
Darkies all work while the white folks play
'

I suspect it originally used the 'n' word, but the only way you would here it would be if you had access to the original cast recording from the original production. I'd love to hear it with Robeson and the great Helen Morgan (singing 'Bill')

24 posted on 10/23/2007 7:18:42 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (No Covenant with Death: Giuliani Shall Not Pass!)
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To: texpat72
I checked Wiki, and they say, referring to William Warfield, who did the role after Robeson:

'The section that Warfield omitted begins:

N-gg-rs all work on de Mississippi,
N-gg-rs all work while de white folks play...

In the 1936 film, the word "n-gg-rs" was changed to "darkies". Ever since the 1946 revival, the term has been changed to "colored folks", although there have been revivals that change the line to 'Here we all work on de Mississippi.'

25 posted on 10/23/2007 7:29:57 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (No Covenant with Death: Giuliani Shall Not Pass!)
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To: Stoat
"It's ridiculous," she said. "We're a small town, there aren't any black actors here."

Good thing Laurence Olivier isn't around doing 'Othello' any more, I guess.

26 posted on 10/23/2007 7:34:01 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (No Covenant with Death: Giuliani Shall Not Pass!)
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To: Stoat

The folks I’ve talked with prefer “colored person”.


27 posted on 10/23/2007 7:36:04 PM PDT by wolfpat (If you don't like the Patriot Act, you're really gonna hate Sharia Law.)
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To: popdonnelly

Wasn’t Paul Robeson a singer? Wasn’t he accused of being a communist?


28 posted on 10/23/2007 7:39:29 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Stoat

I liked the 1929 version of the film starring Joseph Schildkraut.


29 posted on 10/23/2007 7:54:38 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Stoat
Whoa! Did not... see that coming!

We... are so confused!

30 posted on 10/23/2007 8:09:31 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: ladyjane

Paul Robeson, an all-American football player from Rutgers University, began a career as an actor and popular singer in the 1920’s, which lasted into the 1950’s. He was especially known for his deep baritone voice.

During the 1930’s, Robeson became active in left-wing causes, became an outspoken, hard-core Stalinist, and wound up as the Stalin Peace Prize laureate for 1953.

My record collection includes a recording from 1928 of him singing “Old Man River,” backed by Paul Whiteman & His Orchestra, as well as two Soviet patriotic songs from the 1940’s, “Shiroka Strana, Moya Rodnaya” (Vast Nation, My Homeland) and Ot Kraya i do Kraya” (From Border to Border), each sung in Russian and English.


31 posted on 10/23/2007 8:29:19 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: B-Chan
Imagine if we German-Americans freaked out every time a Hogan's Heroes rerun came on.

Ja, ja... especially with all that martial music. :-)

Say, that reminds me... one of the funniest stage productions I've ever seen was The Sound of Music performed as a comedy. Imagine the "gazebo dance" with Liesl played by the oldest women in the cast, and Rolfe by a young skinny black guy (who also appeared later as the goatherd).

And they say Germans are humorless. Why, I didn't even reach for my Luger once.

32 posted on 10/23/2007 8:30:27 PM PDT by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: Stoat

Millom is in one of the least-known corners of England, the coastal strip which fringes the Lake District to the West and South. The area had a thriving economy based on coal and iron until the latter half of the 20th century, but has been severely depressed since the collapse of those industries, its dereliction the more striking because if its close proximity to some of Europe’s most beautiful countryside. Recently there has been some success in the economic regeneration of the area, with a lot of EU regional development money pouring in. Doubtless this gentleman is involved with one of these schemes, which from my own experience are often stifled by bureaucracy but sometimes produce startling impressive results. The local community website, www.millom.org.uk , tells a generally positive story. From my own experience I can also say that this is one of the parts of England where you are least likely to see a face other than white, so it’s not surprising that people hereabouts are a little, shall we say, confused about these matters.


33 posted on 10/24/2007 1:25:24 AM PDT by Winniesboy (Caution: Occam's razor carelessly applied can cut your own throat.)
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To: Fiji Hill

I’m always learning something here on FR. Thank you.

I had no idea that Robeson was a big time football player - and a popular singer.

He must have done well - at least for a while - because he had a big estate outside of Hartford, CT at one time. Later he was boycotted because of his connections with communism.


34 posted on 10/24/2007 6:00:31 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: wolfpat
The folks I’ve talked with prefer “colored person”.

That's interesting and good to know, thank you.

35 posted on 10/24/2007 6:45:21 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Winniesboy
Millom is in one of the least-known corners of England, the coastal strip which fringes the Lake District to the West and South. The area had a thriving economy based on coal and iron until the latter half of the 20th century, but has been severely depressed since the collapse of those industries, its dereliction the more striking because if its close proximity to some of Europe’s most beautiful countryside. Recently there has been some success in the economic regeneration of the area, with a lot of EU regional development money pouring in. Doubtless this gentleman is involved with one of these schemes, which from my own experience are often stifled by bureaucracy but sometimes produce startling impressive results. The local community website, www.millom.org.uk , tells a generally positive story. From my own experience I can also say that this is one of the parts of England where you are least likely to see a face other than white, so it’s not surprising that people hereabouts are a little, shall we say, confused about these matters.

That's very interesting, thank you very much for your thoughtful and informative post.  It appears to be a lovely area from the photos at the page that you kindly provided the address to,...a place I certainly would enjoy visiting one day

I can only recall two other recent news stories that I've posted pertaining to the Lake District, and oddly enough one of them has to do with race issues as well.

Lakeland walkers 'wrong colour'(British Park to axe program because it attracts white people)

Great Britain Top Lakeland restaurant serves up Peking duck-style squirrel pancakes

 this is one of the parts of England where you are least likely to see a face other than white, so it’s not surprising that people hereabouts are a little, shall we say, confused about these matters.

And in such areas it's also commonplace to hear particularly strident voices when issues of race do pop up.  To say that Show Boat "has no place in modern society" is a bit much.

36 posted on 10/24/2007 7:04:26 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: BenLurkin

A fine point, and one almost universally overlooked by the race-baiters who would eviscerate our history (both cultural and political) to suit their own prejudices.


37 posted on 10/24/2007 7:57:10 PM PDT by Tenniel2 (Borders, language, culture. In that order.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; texpat72; Stoat
Oh, it gets better. That song opens the show, and those lines open the first verse. So the very first human utterance that the Broadway audience heard after the curtain went up -- this in December 1927 -- was "n*gg*rs," twice in rapid succession and with the full emphasis of the downbeat:

DEE-da-da dee da-da dee-dee-DEEE-dee,
DEE-da-da dee da-da dee-dee-DEEEEE ...

Despite this sign that the evening might not be the frothy mindless musical romp they were expecting, the opening-night theatergoers did not walk out in protest. They left quietly (Jerome Kern hadn't written any exit music, and he and Hammerstein agreed that there would be no curtain calls), and then woke up to reviews confirming the arrival of a most palpable hit. It's a critical axiom now that American musical theater can be divided into two eras: pre-Show Boat and post-Show Boat.

38 posted on 10/24/2007 8:38:56 PM PDT by Tenniel2 (Borders, language, culture. In that order.)
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To: Tenniel2
And the next major change also involved Hammerstein, with Richard Rodgers, with Oklahoma. The next was Sondheim and Bernstein's West Side Story.
39 posted on 10/24/2007 8:50:50 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (No Covenant with Death: Giuliani Shall Not Pass!)
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To: Scarchin
Today Monty Python would be off the air after one episode - they did gay jokes and used black face etc.

The Thought and Speech Police continue to make strides...

YouTube - Monty Python's Bruce Sketch

40 posted on 10/24/2007 9:31:24 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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