Skip to comments.How to Cool the Globe
Posted on 10/24/2007 8:44:33 PM PDT by neverdem
DESPITE growing interest in clean energy technology, it looks as if we are not going to reduce emissions of carbon dioxide anytime soon. The amount in the atmosphere today exceeds the most pessimistic forecasts made just a few years ago, and it is increasing faster than anybody had foreseen.
Even if we could stop adding to greenhouse gases tomorrow, the earth would continue warming for decades and remain hot for centuries. We would still face the threat of water from melting glaciers lapping at our doorsteps.
What can be done? One idea is to counteract warming by tossing small particles into the stratosphere (above where jets fly). This strategy may sound far-fetched, but it has the potential to cool the earth within months.
Mount Pinatubo, a volcano in the Philippines that erupted in 1991, showed how it works. The eruption resulted in sulfate particles in the stratosphere that reflected the suns rays back to space, and as a consequence the earth briefly cooled.
If we could pour a five-gallon buckets worth of sulfate particles per second into the stratosphere, it might be enough to keep the earth from warming for 50 years. Tossing twice as much up there could protect us into the next century.
A 1992 report from the National Academy of Sciences suggests that naval artillery, rockets and aircraft exhaust could all be used to send the particles up. The least expensive option might be to use a fire hose suspended from a series of balloons. Scientists have yet to analyze the engineering involved, but the hurdles appear surmountable.
Seeding the stratosphere might not work perfectly. But it would be cheap and easy enough and is worth investigating.
This is not to say that we should give up trying to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Ninety-nine percent of...
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I get the impression that the author is serious.
Holy Acid Rain, Batman, do you think they’ve thought this through?
I’ve always said this. Even if everything that Al Gore says about anthropogenic global warming is true, fixing it is just an engineering problem.
Dismantling the world’s economy to lessen global warming is like amputating your hands to stop smoking.
Or insane. All we need is for some looney tune to actually CHANGE our climate. Ice Age, anyone?
I think I have the solution to “cooling the earth”..everyone on earth should leave their refrigerator doors open..the cold air will so cool this helpless planet..Do I have to think of everything?????
Ninety-nine percent of the $3 billion federal Climate Change Technology Program should still go toward developing climate-friendly energy systems.
I suggest ceasing federal funding to the global warming we are all going to die industry and we'll probably find the idea of throwing soot into the atmosphere to block the sun is a really unnecessary idea.
Why does it have to be one or the other. Why not both?
Or we could nuc Iran big time...the resulting particulates would cool things for a while. Or maybe the SST puting particulates in the upper atmosphere was not a bad idea.
Maybe we could cremate a lot of liberals and scatter their ashes via rockets...the ideas are endless.
Aren't these the same dumb-shits who caused glo-bull warming when they over-corrected for their "coming ice age" in the 1970s...
The only problem is, some weather scientists think we may be on the cusp of an ice age.
Do we really want to toss a bunch of stuff into the stratosphere and then find out a few years down the line that, oops, we really screwed up and it’s getting very cold?
It’s like all the PC types saying that we need to control overpopulation, spreading free condoms throughout the world with your tax dollars, and then suddenly noticing, about 20 years too late, that populations are imploding and there aren’t enough workers to support the old folks, not to mention a hundred million Chinese males who will never have wives.
Oops, back to the drawing board.
I’m sure a scientist could come up with environmentally friendly chemicals that would cool the atmosphere. But that takes all the good stuff away from the global warming hysteria like all the harsh regulations, higher taxes, socialism, etc.
we’ll probably find the idea of throwing soot into the atmosphere to block the sun is a really unnecessary idea....
I vaguely remember back in the seventies that some scientists hysterical about the coming ice age proposed covering the poles in soot to retard the spread of glaciers, what is this fixation on soot?
Actually Edward Teller, the scientist behind the H bomb and SDI, came up with that idea many, many years ago. Military airplanes have been dumping Al2O3, and other, particles into the stratosphere for some 20 years now. Since this is a “black” program, we’re not told the results, if any, from man’s tiny attempts to alter the earth’s weather, global warming or not.
I think the author has been breathing too much carbon monoxide. Maybe a little lead was in that air, too. Something just ain’t right in his head.
I don't think the great ecologist is proposing sulphuric acid, maybe sodium sulphate or calcium sulphate.
We already make man-made clouds via waste heat at factories, jet aircraft, and ocean ships. We can cheaply make more. Why cool the whole planet when we just need to cool the narrow latitude where the temperature is 32 degrees Fahrenheit. Glaciers and polar ice cannot melt a drop if the temperature is a fraction below 32 degrees.
This is the right track. Instead of endless debate about what’s causing the planet to warm up, it’s way past time to shift the focus to learning how to control it, in both directions. I”ve seen the particle idea before, but alongside another, safer sounding suggestion to put some large reflector structures into orbit. The obvious relative benefit here is that such structures could easily be moved or brought back down again, if and when they were not getting the desired results. Collecting zillions of little particles would be a heck of a lot harder.
Do I have this right? Now, air pollution is good?
Yeah, that .117% of newly generated CO2 each year made by man is just terrible. /s
SIMPLE SOLUTION TO GLOBAL WARMING:
NUCLEAR ENERGY. LOTS OF IT.
I know lets stop giving paper bags at stores and switch to plastic. That will save the trees. Then we can sink a whole bunch of old tires into the ocean and it will form a new coral reef. Then we stop controlled burns because that just pollutes the environment and kills plants.
Yes envirowacko ideas work all the time.
and they interfere - then another Volcano lets loose and we're plunged into a 2-3 year ice age of failed crops etc...
Leave things be! The earth - and the sun, which has the most effect of what happens down here - has been adjusting and readjusting for millions of years - cycles within cycles - and doing a far better job that man does at anything...especially government.
Government screws up everything it touches - these nuts have to be corralled
We would need to ‘cool’ the Earth if we could determine what the actual temperature of Earth was supposed to be.
I’m sure somewhere Nostradamus or Da Vinci or De Sade wrote down the exact ideal temperature of the entire Earth and we’ll only need to adjust it to get back to that point.
I sure hope it wasn’t the perfect temperature back in the 1600s because it was really, really hot back then.
Do we really want to toss a bunch of stuff into the stratosphere and then find out a few years down the line that, oops, we really screwed up and its getting very cold?
there’s a part of me that says “better to get a bit too cold than continue to let Al gore push new taxes to screw the economy forever.” I mean, just end the issue now and say goodbye to gore.
This is not to say that we should give up trying to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Ninety-nine percent of the $3 billion federal Climate Change Technology Program should still go toward developing climate-friendly energy systems.
why???????? why if you admit it won’t make a dent?
Because. Must. Worship. Gore.
Must. Screw. Economy.
And we’re taking the sulfer out of diesel.
And yet the most accurate data shows that the Earth hasn't warmed since 1998.
If carbon dioxide has driven and caused the past warming and it's "increasing faster than anybody had foreseen" why aren't we in the midst of runaway global warming?
Just one of several thousand things the global warming religion can't explain.
My first thought was, 'Let me guess this idiot is going to want us to start tossing ice into the ocean to cool it off.'
Here, I'll put on my own mad scientist hat, here's my cure to global warming:
A Cure To Global Warming
Place all the nuclear weapons on the planet at a central location near the equator. I'll let the politicians squabble on the specific location. When the Earth's rotation is such that the weapons are in direct alignment with the sun, detonate them. The tremendous force will push Earth out of it's current orbit, resulting in a new orbit further from the sun. Hopefully the location isn't too far away. If it's a bit too far away we can always toss out the Kyoto protocol and rewarm the atmosphere enough the good old-fashioned way.
Conservative analysis that CO2 historically follows, not precedes warming = total heresy and unacceptable climate impacts.
Liberal activist nutjob climate mongering = can't fail - let's do it now - A-OK.
These people are dangerous and insane.
How about if we just spend the 1%, and save the rest for feeding people who are starving due to ethanol production.
I really don't think they have, and this sort of plan sounds VERY dangerous. The liberals are going to get us all killed...and if it isn't terrorists it'll be them throwing junk up into the sky.
Ironically, they’ve already tested the theory of high-altitude particulates causing “global cooling” ......
Measurements of average temepratures in wide areas between 9/11-9/12-9/13 2001 when aircraft were shutdown showed a measureable RISE in earth’s temperatures of about 1/5 of one degree:
Thus, we are ALREADY combatting the 1/2 of one degree global warming by using jet airplanes to artifically cause cooling that opposes the warming. At a profit.
Good Night. Too much of this stuff could send the earth spiraling into a irrecoverable cooling cycle that we could not recover. As more ice forms, sunlight is reflected out of the atmosphere causing increased cooling. This cycle could surpass the natural equilibrium that CO2 and other greenhouse gasses provide to keep the earth warm.
Air trends ‘amplifying’ warming
Reduced air pollution and increased water evaporation appear to be adding to man-made global warming
Air trends ‘amplifying’ warming (Oh crap...cleaner air causes global warming)
LOL of course not. If, if, if...
...ah, the good old ‘new’ Tom Swift series...I read them voraciously in my formative years... the clean, crew cut Tom with his sidekick Bud Barclay...and what was the fat cook’s name that hung aroung with them...my favorite was the one about the ‘rare earth’ holmium objects that were discovered in Africa, and how nefarious forces were going to use them to cause global damage...they don’t write ‘em like that anymore...
This reminds me so much of the Global Cooling scaremongers in the 70s ... they really have become a parody and a comedy show. Of course they keep trying to deny any mainstream scientists were part of that scaremongering, but I was at university real science seminars that schemes such as this one were discussed then by real scientists, not media sillies, so don’t believe the denials.
These idiots might bring on the next ice age if they were successful.
It only works if everyone's refrigerator has been retrofitted with a CFL bulb. You don't want people blindly taking steps to address a perceived problem without first verifying the technology and then validating its application - do you?