 Saddened, deeply saddened . . .
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Bu-bye, ar$ehole!!
Posted on 10/26/2007 6:40:59 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush
Bronxville, N.Y. - In yet another sign of trouble for Al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden publicly conceded that his like-minded militants in Iraq "made mistakes." In an audiotape broadcast by Al Jazeera this week, he sounds deeply anxious about the survival of Al Qaeda in Iraq – a group that is largely independent of his own organization but adheres to a similar ideology. Al Qaeda's top leader appealed to Sunni Arab tribes and other armed Iraqi Sunni groups to stop fighting Al Qaeda members and unite against the real enemy – the US-led coalition.
Al Qaeda in Iraq faces growing indignation from fellow Sunni Iraqis fed up with its indiscriminate killing of civilians and its Taliban-like religious laws. In the past year, Sunni tribes and fighters have risen against Al Qaeda's branch in Iraq and, working jointly with US troops, killed and expelled scores of its militants from their neighborhoods, particularly from Anbar Province. Besieged both internally and externally, Al Qaeda in Iraq struggles to survive and absorb these catastrophic military setbacks.
Coming to the rescue of his followers in Iraq, Mr. bin Laden lays his personal authority and credibility on the line. In a rare moment of self-criticism, he advises "himself, Muslims in general, and brothers in Al Qaeda everywhere to avoid extremism" and put the interests of the ummah (universal Muslim community) above those of tribe, party, and nation.
True to form, bin Laden stops short of saying exactly who speaks for the ummah and how the interests of this imagined ummah can override those of separate nation states and special groups.
Never before had bin Laden, ambitious and media-savvy, gone so far in airing Al Qaeda's dirty linen in public. In the past, he and his second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, had privately...
(Excerpt) Read more at csmonitor.com ...
The second half of this article contains new information (at least to me) about muslim clerics who previously were aligned with al Qaeda.
List of places where Al Qaeda has gotten their posterior kicked: Afghanistan, Somalia, Lebanon, Iraq. All they have left is their audio and videotapes to try to rally the goobers of the Muslim world.
They are probably most dangerous now that they are near defeat. But that period of danger won’t last long.
But bin Laden's troubles transcend Iraq. Prominent clerics and former militants call into question the very legitimacy of bin Laden's authority as a spokesman for Islam and Muslims. And last month, one of bin Laden's most prominent Saudi mentors, the preacher and scholar Salman al-Odah, wrote an open letter reproaching him for "fostering a culture of suicide bombings that has caused bloodshed and suffering and brought ruin to entire Muslim communities and families."Bin Laden's Al Qaeda was dealt another shattering blow from within when one of its top theorists, Abdul-Aziz el-Sherif, renounced its extremes, including the killing of civilians and the choosing of targets based on religion and nationality. In the past few months, Mr. El-Sherif – a longtime associate of Zawahiri, who crafted what became known as Al Qaeda's guide to jihad – called on militants to desist from terrorism and authored a dissenting rebuttal against his former cohorts.
In early October, Abdulaziz al-Ashaikh, the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia, issued a fatwa prohibiting Saudis from engaging in jihad abroad and accused both bin Laden and Arab regimes of "transforming our youth into walking bombs to accomplish their own political and military aims."
The guy hiding in the cave knows he is losing this war, a dramatic change from just six months ago as it relates to Iraq.
And he’s gotten his ass kicked repeatedly in the arena he personally choose, Afghanistan.
After the massive ‘culling’ of fanatics since 9/11, whats left is a growing number of muslims that are realizing this guy doesn’t have the balls to strap on a bomb belt and lead an attack himself. That goes directly to ‘respect’ which is huge among the tribal chieftains, not just in Iraq but also Afghanistan.
He’s in the same general situation the Japanese found themselves in after mid 1943. He knows he’s lost the initiative, and is now forced to play ‘defense’.
Thats a losing gambit, as any military expert will tell you, from any era.
Muslims in general, and brothers in Al Qaeda everywhere to avoid extremism
Let’s hear it for extremism!!!
Ping
Democrats are DEEPLY SADDENED !!
When is the last time the media asked George Bush what mistakes he has made?
Factually incorrect. Al Qeda means the base. It was set up to bring together various terrorist groups and provide them training and resources. They are all part of a decentralized organization. This is just more of the usual Leftist claptrap about Iraq put out by the Unchristian Monitor to perpetuate the Democrat National Committee directed myth that Iraq and the WOT are separate wars. No they are not.
Today, Al Qaeda in Iraq possesses limited options, and is trying to buy time. But while entrapped and weakened, Al Qaeda is far from dead. Bin Laden's brief moment of self-criticism shows that, although he listens, it's difficult to keep a ship from sinking after being thrown overboard.
Huh?
Saddened, deeply saddened . . .
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Bu-bye, ar$ehole!!
Perhaps Osama is trying to move into a “statesman” phase, a la Yassir Arafat.
Can we trust the information on the Saudi clerics (and others) renouncing suicide bombing and turning against Al Qaeda?
If so, then this is a significant development.
Seems Bin Laden is losing his theological fight in addition to losing his military one.
This is actually the most dangerous part. If Bin Laden could unite the Muslim world against the West, we would be in serious trouble.
Instead, some of the fringe elements of Islamic Fundamentalism went too far in attacking fellow Muslims.
Similar to Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.
Global Warming must have gotten to Bin Laden too! Damn.
Osama is afraid Obama or Clinton won’t win the presidency.
“List of places where Al Qaeda has gotten their posterior kicked: Afghanistan, Somalia, Lebanon, Iraq. All they have left is their audio and videotapes to try to rally the goobers of the Muslim world.
They are probably most dangerous now that they are near defeat. But that period of danger won’t last long.”
Also Tunisia, Indonesia, Morocco, Pakistan, Philippines.
Pretty much where ever they show up the locals soon tire of them. While people living there maynot be madly in love with America, but neither do they want to live in the 11th century.
I can’t provide any links, but I think some of the information on the ‘clerics’ has seeped its way into other stories in recent weeks. Some bits of what is written in this article sound familiar.
Now, whether the ‘clerics’ mean it is a different matter.
We should deliver that pig-effer a thermobaric alarm clock.
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| Fracture of Central Authority Even by 820 CE, the Samanids had begun the process of exercising independent authority in Transoxiana and Greater Khorasan, the Shia Hamdanids in Northern Syria, and the successive Tahirid, Alid and Saffarid dynasties of Iran. By the early 10th century, the Abbasids almost lost control to the growing Persian faction known as the Buwayhids that replaced the Samanids as the Buwayhids were quietly able to assume real power in the bureaucracy at Baghdad.[1] All these autonomous provinces slowly took on the characteristic of de facto states with hereditary rulers, armies, and revenues and operated under only nominal caliphal suzeranity, which may not necessarily be reflected by any contribution to the treasury.[2] The eventual rise of the Ghaznavid Empire and the Seljuks to displace all these factions marked the end of Abbasid political dominion over the area. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abassid |
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| Revelation 17 [Context] [Commentary] [Map] Biblical Art and Illustrations 16. And the ten horns which thou sawest, and the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and shall burn her utterly with fire. |
Al Qaeda hasn’t done so well in Kosovo and Chechnya, either. Nor well in Libya or Liberia.
And Al Qaeda has been absolutely face-whacked in Egypt. Heck, the freaking **palestinians** don’t even want them.
Don’t hear much about Al Qaeda in Kashmir any more, either.
Now, with al Qaeda being defeated in Iraq and the growing number of even Islamists, who are rejecting him. You know, cosmicly, it may have been better for Osama to survive. Imagine that we nailed Osama at Tora Bora. He would have become a martyr, who would have gained some sort of purity. The mistakes and brutality of his followers would not have stuck on Osama. Today, Osama is being stuck with his failures, with his brutality, with the disaster of enforcing religious laws, so ultimately he’s going to be totally discredited. No one’s going to be sorry, when he’s finally nailed.
I had to read that twice also.
He means that bin Laden has been rejected (thrown overboard) so he will find it hard to stear the ship from the water.
I asked his staffer, "when will Senator Durbin admit that we are winning in Iraq?"
The staffer replied sarcastically, "Uh, when we actually start winning in Iraq."
I said, "Well let's see, we have reports in the media that we're winning in Anbar, we're winning in Dyala, the Sunni tribes have joined up with us, we're defeating the Shiite fighters, and even Osama Bin Laden is admitting that he's losing in Iraq. My question to you is, what are the criteria that Senator Durbin uses to determine whether we're winning or losing in Iraq?"
Silence on the other end of the phone.
"How does Senator Durbin define victory in Iraq?"
More silence.
"Surely, in order to say whether we're winning or losing in Iraq, Senator Durbin must have some standard that he uses to judge whether we're winning or losing?"
More silence.
"Or does it just depend on how he feels on any particular day?"
More silence.
"I'll tell you what, you think about it for a while, and let me know when you come up with an answer"
Okay.
"I'll call you tomorrow, to see if you have an answer by then"
Alright.
They didn't intend to get themselves mostly wiped out by US forces?
I can believe it!
KEEP UP THE PRESSURE on these creeps !!
Thanks!
guinnessman, you rock!
Thanks!
It’s always fun to confront liberals with logic, and see their reaction.
Unfortunately, like in Afghanistan V1.0, Iraq has trained up another generation of Jihadis.
That’s not to say we shouldn’t go after enemies. We all agreed Saddam needed to be taken out. Just that after winning in Iraq, we’ll get a Jihadi diaspora that will kick off Round 4.
That sucks, and can’t be avoided, and means we can expect to hear from AQ and their equivalent for a few more decades.
Buy ammo, oppose their every move, and maybe in my granchild’s adulthood, we’ll have them done for.
Amazing stuff. Not a word in the drive-bys.
That is classic, and effective. Imagine if these calls start pouring into all the democrat Senators offices. It might force their six-month old cache of information about Iraq to be flushed and they might have to re-query the server. We should at least try and get them to come up with a new storyline.
Nothing is blowing up. Nothing to report.
Got word through my wife that one of her friend’s sons is in Iraq-—and he’s bored to tears. His job is clearing IEDs/land mines. Hasn’t had a “job” in many days. Nothing to do.
My niece's husband is heading over to Iraq shortly and will be in charge of around 50 guys. His job will be escort for convoys from Kuwait. So information like this is music to my ears. Any idea where he is in Iraq?
Hmmm. Next year's Nobel Peace Prize laureate?
Bin Laden's Al Qaeda was dealt another shattering blow from within when one of its top theorists, Abdul-Aziz el-Sherif, renounced its extremes, including the killing of civilians and the choosing of targets based on religion and nationality....adding, "for now."
The Sunnis and some Sunni Sheiks who once fell for the propaganda from Al Queda - that they needed to join forces to fight “the occupiers” - saw first hand in Falluja and other places in Anbar province just what Al Queda victories meant - Al Queda terrorism to “purify” their own people.
They (Iraq’s Sunnnis) could have taken the conditions in the Taliban state of Afghanistan before 2001 as a warning of the style of governance that Al Queda sought, and now they can take their own lessons learned from fighting back against Al Queda to help other Muslims defeat them.
The clerics that were “former” supporters of Osama bin Laden and now rebuke him have only one critique of Osama - his means, but not the ends he seeks - a Caliphate.
What they are disturbed about is that their common aims - achieving the Caliphate - is hurt by the public relations damage that the terrorism has caused. They much prefer the Saudi royal’s methods - purchasing subversion in the west.
I emailed the Washington (Com)Post ombudsman yesterday asking her when that paper would begin to report the good news coming out of Iraq. She said she asked their war editor, they are waiting until after the October numbers are in, they would have a report early next month.
I can’t wait to see how they try to spin it.
Amazing! Surprising and fascinating, too!
Thank you for posting this article.
And, thank you for the ping.
“Al Qaeda in Iraq faces growing indignation from fellow Sunni Iraqis fed up with its indiscriminate killing of civilians and its Taliban-like religious laws. In the past year, Sunni tribes and fighters have risen against Al Qaeda’s branch in Iraq and, working jointly with US troops, killed and expelled scores of its militants from their neighborhoods, particularly from Anbar Province. Besieged both internally and externally, Al Qaeda in Iraq struggles to survive and absorb these catastrophic military setbacks.”
Soon the only support for these Islamofascist Serial Killers will be the traitor rats in congress and George $oreA$$’s hired minions.
To use the caveman's own analogy:
Something about "strong horse, weak horse..."
political infighting at al Quaeda is further evidence of that it’s a spin-off of the same left wing that emails a daily planner to the Democrats in the US. /s (or not).
The civil war has become that between our enemies and the enemies of most of the people of Iraq.
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