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Grim reaper scenario or Rudy, A recipe for disaster!
October 27, 2007 | Ebmiller

Posted on 10/27/2007 2:25:06 AM PDT by ebmiller

There are many reasons a conservative should not vote for Rudy in the Republican primary but I want to emphasize one reason that has not been stated enough on most of the websites I frequent. He will depress the conservative vote, which will impact most other Republicans running for office. That means any close race that a Republican might have won because of the conservative vote, will go down to defeat because enough conservatives stayed home and did not vote. It is a fact that many voters will not come out to the polls if they feel that there is no real choice. When you give the conservative a choice of a liberal New York senator or a liberal New York former mayor for President you will get many conservatives staying home. Whether you think that is good or bad, that is just reality. So say goodbye to closing the gap in the US Senate and could lead to a veto proof majority for the Democrats. Say goodbye to any chance on taking back the House of Representatives. Rudy is a recipe for disaster!


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KEYWORDS: congress; conservatve; giuliani; guiliani; nightmare; rudygiuliani

1 posted on 10/27/2007 2:25:08 AM PDT by ebmiller
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To: ebmiller

Well lets see; How about I vote for Fred instead??

That takes care of all those problems


2 posted on 10/27/2007 2:48:23 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: ebmiller
It is a fact that many voters will not come out to the polls if they feel that there is no real choice.

That is one problem we face. It will turn voters off. Another problem we face will also turn voters off. I am referring to the smearing that is going on in some quarters of the Republican pre-primary campaign. I see a lot of it against Romney. And I see some of it against Thompson. Compare that with the “kid glove” competition going on in the Democratic campaign. If we are to end up united against the Democrats in the final election, I think it would be helpful if we could be more fair and objective in our opposition to particular candidates. Is that too much to expect?
3 posted on 10/27/2007 2:55:07 AM PDT by broncobilly
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To: broncobilly

Agree

No smears, lets just review each candidates record and vote accordingly.


4 posted on 10/27/2007 2:59:49 AM PDT by ebmiller (Not this evangelical!)
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To: ebmiller
In the GROWN UP world we live in, sometimes you have to choose the better of two evils. Taking your ball, quitting, and running home to mommy blubbering, only works up until the age of 5. THAT'S REALITY.

If it comes down to Rudy vs the Evil Witch, I will vote for Rudy absolutely. Matter of fact, if it comes to Rudy vs any of the RAT candidates, I will vote for Rudy. If Satan Incarnate was running against the Evil Witch, I would vote for him, and drag 10 friends and relatives to the polls to do likewise. The perils/harm that would come against this great country if the Evil Witch and her minions came into power, would be staggering.

5 posted on 10/27/2007 3:10:40 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: ebmiller
The Best man will be elected POTUSA.
Here is to President Duncan Hunter.
6 posted on 10/27/2007 3:17:09 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: AmericaUnited

I’m not suggesting in this post to not vote. I’m just suggesting the reality of the depressed vote. It will happen if Rudy is the nominee.


7 posted on 10/27/2007 3:25:15 AM PDT by ebmiller (Not this evangelical!)
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To: ebmiller

“It is a fact that many voters will not come out to the polls if they feel that there is no real choice.”?????

1. Hmmm… Rudy and Hillary are political twins? No.
2. Defeatist attitude is what makes people sit at home.

Right now everyone is motivated. Attacks on Rudy like yours, attacks on Mitt because of his religion, attack on Fred cause he’s not motivated, etc. are all counter productive.


8 posted on 10/27/2007 3:30:29 AM PDT by Bulwinkle
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To: ebmiller

Look guys...the abortion genie is NEVER going back in the bottle. Even were the Court to overturn Wade ninety percent of state legislatures would legalize “choice”. Most women want control over their reproduction lives. I don’t like it either but that’s the fact.

Rudy is smart, he’s tough, he’s mean, and he’s mostly liberal on social issues but he promises another Roberts on the Court. I say...try Rudy, he’s electable, he can beat Hitlery. Let’s win. Let’s keep Bill out of the White House.


9 posted on 10/27/2007 3:36:42 AM PDT by kjo
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To: ebmiller
surveys usually sow there are about 35% conservative voters and about 25 % liberal. If you run a half way decent conservative you usually get enough independents to win. Now polls are showing us losing independents 2-1. That means we lose. We need to appeal directly to moderates and independents this year. Rudy did venture left(he was running in NYC for gods sake) when he was in NYC that is correct. He also appealed directly to the lib’s with symbolism. But, there was a whole host of accomplishments and policy success’s that could fairly be called conservative. He is a mixed bag and was probably the most successful Mayor in American history. I don’t see any of the other candidates as winners.
10 posted on 10/27/2007 3:39:15 AM PDT by bilhosty
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To: ebmiller

“I’m not suggesting in this post to not vote. I’m just suggesting the reality of the depressed vote. It will happen if Rudy is the nominee.”

That is a fair and honest statement. That is something that has to be faced. however, I think most polls show that Rudy is the only one who can win. Unless you want to go to MCCain(shudder). I think most of those people who say they won’t vote for Rudy on this board almost certainly will and since they are telling pollsters that they won’t that is probably another 2-3% that can be added on to his totals.

Thank you, for posting this and I respect your views.


11 posted on 10/27/2007 3:43:47 AM PDT by bilhosty
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To: kjo

When’s the last time you could trust a liberal of either party to keep their word, especially to Conservatives ? The promises of Hillary, Rudy, ‘n Mitt are worthless.


12 posted on 10/27/2007 4:00:21 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I understand your hesitation, I feel it too. Still, he’s our best shot.

Anyone is better then putting the Clinton’s back in.


13 posted on 10/27/2007 4:08:22 AM PDT by kjo
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To: broncobilly

Eighty percent of the media will be against us...factor it in and deal with it.

The MSM is an organ of the DNC.


14 posted on 10/27/2007 4:10:27 AM PDT by kjo
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To: AmericaUnited

I am with you!

The ‘principled’ Christian Righteous are going to gift us with Hilary.


15 posted on 10/27/2007 4:15:05 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: kjo

Actually, he isn’t our best shot. I’ve already seen the polling data. In my now-dependably GOP state of TN, the numbers are pretty clear. Nominate Fred, and he turns out Conservatives. Nominate Rudy, and watch them vanish. Fred leads Hillary by between a dozen to 20%. Rudy is tied or within the margin of error. That’s a fiasco just waiting to happen. And we already know a 3rd party candidate will emerge if he is the nominee.

The funny thing is, I’ve also seen polling data indicating McCain is quite strong (and stronger, in some cases) than Fred, but he is unviable because of his age, clear-cut senility, and serious anger management issues (and that’s before you even get to the position issues). The media would rip him to shreds the day after he was nominated (and you’ve seen the “Heeeeeeeerreee’s Johnny !” pictures).

We have no other option but to support Fred if we don’t want a 3rd party Conservative to come forward.


16 posted on 10/27/2007 4:16:15 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: Nathan Zachary

Good idea! Fred’s got my vote!


17 posted on 10/27/2007 4:18:26 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.youtube.com/CafeNetAmerica)
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To: AmericaUnited
In the GROWN UP world we live in, sometimes you have to choose the better of two evils. Taking your ball, quitting, and running home to mommy blubbering, only works up until the age of 5. THAT'S REALITY.

Ahhh, a reasonable post - - how refreshing.

I continue to be amazed at some of my fellow Freeper's statements about "sitting out," "third parties" and God-knows what else.

There is one simple fact about the 2008 election, if Republicans bolt the party for any reason, they guarantee the election of Hillary Clinton.

Of course, these whiners would then be able to piss-and-moan for the next 8 years, which, I suspect they're all about in the first place.
18 posted on 10/27/2007 4:22:05 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have .chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Well...you have polls, I only have my gut, and it tells me Fred isn’t up to it. In a Fred/Hitlery race I suspect she will pull three hundred plus electoral votes. Just my feeling.

Rudy is the MSM’s worst nightmare. A social liberal who promises conservative government. And he’s mean. This guy took on the Mafia knowing they could kill him at any time.

I see him as a potential Teddy Roosevelt. Independent, smart, and someone terrorists won’t be able to play with. He’ll hit them if they hit us. Hillary never would.


19 posted on 10/27/2007 4:23:10 AM PDT by kjo
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To: ebmiller
When you give the conservative a choice of a liberal New York senator or a liberal New York former mayor for President you will get many conservatives staying home

Giuliani is not my favorite candidate in the race. Im hoping Fred Thompson will win. That being said, if any 'conservative' were to stay home from any election during these times that would be a big loss in political fight against the War On Terror because the conservatives would be sending the message that fighting islamic radicals is just not a priority in the world.

While I am always going to vote for the most conservative on domestic issues as long as that conservative is the one most likely to continue fighting for the survival of western culture I do have a question for those conservatives who would stay home if Rudy was the winner.

What good are your conservative ideas if we lose this war on terror and Sharia Law becomes the law of the land? What good are your liberal ideas if we lose this war on terror and sharia law becomes the law of the land?

Seems like some of the Rudy haters actually hate him more than the idea of being defeated by islamic fascists. I truly believe Rudy has a personal passion to win this war. What good are Rudy's stances on gay issues if we lose this war and the gays are slaughtered after the jews and before us Christians?

Grow up! The enemy (not Rudy) wants to kill your ideas, conservative and liberal. We are at war.

20 posted on 10/27/2007 4:33:59 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.youtube.com/CafeNetAmerica)
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To: kjo
"Well...you have polls, I only have my gut, and it tells me Fred isn’t up to it."

Well, I cite the polls, but I have gut, too, and this gut tells me Fred is the only viable candidate.

"In a Fred/Hitlery race I suspect she will pull three hundred plus electoral votes. Just my feeling."

I guarantee she will get that and more with Rudy as the nominee. Rudy cannot and will not carry a single state that John Kerry won in 2004. There's no rodent-leaning Presidential state that has him ahead. He can't even carry NY. He's going to have to carry the states that Dubya and Fred would have to carry, and with the 3rd party Conservative, those states go bye-bye.

"Rudy is the MSM’s worst nightmare. A social liberal who promises conservative government. And he’s mean. This guy took on the Mafia knowing they could kill him at any time."

How is he their worst nightmare ? A northeastern liberal will personal problems galore. They'll relish ripping into him with gusto. The pics of him in drag, his abhorrant social positions, 3 marriages (including one to a cousin), damaged relationship with his kids. It's funny, for a guy unafraid of the Sicilian Mafia, he was quaking in his boots at the sounds of the pro-abort and pro-gay Mafia. This is a disaster waiting to happen.

"I see him as a potential Teddy Roosevelt. Independent, smart, and someone terrorists won’t be able to play with. He’ll hit them if they hit us. Hillary never would."

TR was a megalomaniacal nut. Had he not made the promise not to run in 1908, it would've been he, and not his cousin Franklin, who would've come close to setting up a dictatorship Presidency, probably well into the 1920s. TR was also a big government guy to the core. He, just like Rudy, will cause a split in the party, just like what happened in 1912, which gave us one of the worst Presidents in the 20th century, Woodrow Wilson.

21 posted on 10/27/2007 4:38:57 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: ebmiller

“There are many reasons a conservative should not vote for Rudy in the Republican primary but I want to emphasize one reason that has not been stated enough on most of the websites I frequent. He will depress the conservative vote, which will impact most other Republicans running for office.”

The author must not read Free Republic then... we have been saying this for months! Ignore the Base, elect the beast... Ignore the Base... elect the beast... Ignore the Base... elect the beast. Hey, it worked for a headache medicine! ;-)

LLS


22 posted on 10/27/2007 4:41:22 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Beckwith

I don’t like irrational/delutional toddlers. Toddlers think that they can cause reality by holding their breath and throwing tantrums. Toddlers think in very self-centered “it’s all my way or no way” thought patterns.


23 posted on 10/27/2007 4:48:59 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: kjo
My sentiments exactly. Fred has been anything but impressive. He's a good man and he has many of the same beliefs that I hold, but he has not risen to the occassion.

Besides that, like it or not, image has a lot to do with winning an election and a 65 year-old man with a three year old son on his knee looks absurd. A 65 year old man with a three year old grandson on his knee looks cute.

I don't begrudge him a thing. As a 55 year-old single man, I would love to have a beautiful intelligent, capable, fortyish (maybe even thirtyish:)) woman as my partner in life, but come on people...65 maybe the new 55, but I would look equally absurd with a 3 year-old child on my lap.

Like it or not, image counts, and a lugubrious old, baggy-eyed codger with a three year-old kid hanging on his pants leg is not a winner.

God Bless him, but Please!
24 posted on 10/27/2007 4:52:46 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Liberals love "McCarthism," they just believe he was targeting the wrong side.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

OK, we disagree. That’s baseball, or whatever...If Fred is the nominee I will certainly support him, what concerns me is that so many on this site seem to have a very immature view of politics...if my candidate doesn’t get the nomination I will stay home or vote third party.

We are dealing with the Clintons here. Everybody on the Right needs to grow up.


25 posted on 10/27/2007 4:58:41 AM PDT by kjo
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To: ebmiller

Make sure you vote in the primary... end of Rooty.


26 posted on 10/27/2007 4:59:14 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: kjo
"OK, we disagree. That’s baseball, or whatever...If Fred is the nominee I will certainly support him, what concerns me is that so many on this site seem to have a very immature view of politics...if my candidate doesn’t get the nomination I will stay home or vote third party."

It's not immature looking at the context of the situation. You've got 3 RINOs (Rudy McRomney) that were annointed by the media, and now they're promoting a 4th (Huckabee), all the while collectively disregarding Fred. I mean, we've witnessed what liberal RINO governance has done at the state level over the past 20 years, to the point that several states have been placed permanently out of reach of GOP Presidential candidates. Show me a state where the party has grown where they've led ? If Rudy were prepared to be this Conservative that he never was during his entire career (save perhaps for law & order, but even that was tempered with the fact that he was a gun-grabber and was a massive squish on illegals), we'd have to be completely fooling ourselves to believe it (ditto with Romney, a chronic and pathological liar and flipflopper). The only thing we get electing RINOs is a lot of heartburn and diminishing returns. His election would be a pyrrhic victory, because it would still be a victory for liberalism... a thoroughly discredited ideology. It's too bad that aside from Fred, and Duncan Hunter, we had some legitimate bonafide Conservatives in the race instead of this Felliniesque sideshow/trainwreck/battle of the RINO ego all-stars we've been watching for this past year+.

"We are dealing with the Clintons here. Everybody on the Right needs to grow up."

We need to stop viewing the Clintoons as the single enemy. It's liberalism and all that it entails that is the enemy, and we need to recognize that. The rodents already have gone to the dark side, so why in the hell are we in such a rush to join them and sell out everything we know to believe is right by supporting candidates that are indistinguishable from them policy-wise in everything but the letter of the alphabet that comes after their name ? I'm a Conservative first. The day the Republican party decides it wants to become the 2nd Socialist party, it's dead to me, and it deserves to be buried.

27 posted on 10/27/2007 5:14:41 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Not sure I am making myself clear, my fault. I certainly want a conservative nominee. What I fear is a movement to a third party. Like Nader in OO, it could cost us dearly.

Sure liberalism is crazy. It IS a mental illness in some cases, it is at least magical thinking; but please, we MUST keep the Clinton’s particular brand of liberalism out. People around them die. These are thugs.


28 posted on 10/27/2007 6:04:46 AM PDT by kjo
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To: ebmiller
Whatever he loses in the fringe right wacko vote he will more then pick up in Ind and Dims who just hate fatso.

Of course if Thompson wins and puts RG on the ticket that would be OK also. In any case I’m voting for the Party nominee because I don’t have a death wish and i do have an IQ that surpasses the moron level.

29 posted on 10/27/2007 6:12:57 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: kjo

No, I do understand what you’re saying. The problem is what are we gaining removing all standards of a candidate’s morality and ideology by nominating a liberal to face Hillary simply to “stop her” ? Frankly, if we’re going to elect a liberal President, just let the rodents have it. A Republican enacting a liberal agenda would be worse than anything a President Hillary could do - since with Hillary there, we can actively oppose her as a united front — with Rudy, it would just be endless internecine battles while the rodents snicker and clean up at the next election. We saw that happen every single time with these RINO Governors in umpteen states weakening the state parties to the point of moribundity (NJ) or total death (MA). Look how bad it has gotten with the GOP having to go up against our current President on shamnesty !


30 posted on 10/27/2007 6:16:21 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: ebmiller

Rudy gets 20% to 25% of the Rep vote {”moderates”] with the rest of the candidates taking the remainder. Rudy won’t get enough votes in the primaries to take the nomination on the first ballot. It will be a brokered convention, which Rudy can’t win.


31 posted on 10/27/2007 6:17:28 AM PDT by kabar
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I guess I just don’t see Rudy the same way you do. He did a great job cleaning up crime in NYC while the liberals called him a fascist. He’s a capitalist. And no matter what you read, no way is Wade going to be overturned; and if it is, the great majority of state legislatures will make it legal.

I see Rudy G., will all his minuses far better than Hillary, Obama, Edwards. The Dems will centainly nominate one of those three, include, maybe Gore.


32 posted on 10/27/2007 6:23:51 AM PDT by kjo
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To: kjo

Listen Freepers

My point was not POTUS! It’s the congress! If Rudy is nominated, we will take a big hit in the Senate and the House! Those of you who are Rudy supporters please defend your man and how he will not hurt are chances in congress!


33 posted on 10/27/2007 6:46:04 AM PDT by ebmiller (Not this evangelical!)
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To: kjo
"I guess I just don’t see Rudy the same way you do. He did a great job cleaning up crime in NYC while the liberals called him a fascist. He’s a capitalist."

He did clean up crime and he made the place safe again. But he also made it safe for the liberals that had made a disaster area out of the city, so they're free to filthy up their nest again. But the issues Rudy had to cover as Mayor and the stands he took were antithetical to the Conservative base. Being a Mayor is not the same as President, nor even Governor. He also wasn't able to do anything to promote and expand good-government Republicanism to other offices under his aegis. The GOP is almost non-existent on the NY City Council (only 3 seats). It's not just good enough we have Conservatives, we have to have people that will either hold a preexisting majority or expand a minority. He simply didn't. In fact, only one candidate did that, and it was unusual for him, because as a Senator and not a member of the elected leadership at that, he kept our seats in the GOP column for the first time ever at reelection, and that was Fred.

"And no matter what you read, no way is Wade going to be overturned; and if it is, the great majority of state legislatures will make it legal."

Roe isn't even Constitutional. We get 1 or 2 more judges and it's finished. Will that stamp out all abortion ? Nope. But it will stamp out an odious and morally abhorrant decision every bit as appalling as Dred Scott.

"I see Rudy G., will all his minuses far better than Hillary, Obama, Edwards. The Dems will centainly nominate one of those three, include, maybe Gore."

I don't from a strategic standpoint. I see 4 years of massive internal party strife -- take a good look at the model of Ah-nold out in CA, he has been a farking disaster, and he doesn't give a damn about Conservatism or much helping the state GOP -- and they're intending to deliver their votes in a manner with which 1 man = 1 vote doesn't apply. A San Francisco liberal's vote is going to be worth many more times the vote of an Orange County Conservative's in how the delegates are awarded. This is the kind of crap that will DESTROY us worse than anything the rodent stooges could do to us from without. Ultimately, it means a strengthened and greatly expanded rodent majority (remember the numbers they had in the '60s and '70s ?), and all but assures the rodents winning the WH in 2012. We can't afford that.

34 posted on 10/27/2007 6:49:22 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: AmericaUnited
At least 15% of our fellow Freepers fall into the category you describe.
35 posted on 10/27/2007 6:53:39 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have .chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: kjo
what concerns me is that so many on this site seem to have a very immature view of politics...if my candidate doesn’t get the nomination I will stay home or vote third party.

What we are seeing here is a fight over the soul of the Republican party. In the past, all serious Republican candidates may have had different governing strategies, but they all toed the line on social issues important to the religious right. Now we are seeing in Giuliani a strong candidate who leans left on social issues. If he is nominated, and wins, the social conservatives, for whom abortion, guns and gays are paramount issues, will have been shown that they have no voice in national politics. This is a tough pill to swallow, and for many people on this forum, more distressing than a second Clinton presidency.

36 posted on 10/27/2007 6:59:48 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68

You are overreacting. There may be a fight for the soul of the Republican Party but that fight, if lost by conservatives, can be won in another four years. Just because we nominate a social liberal this time does not rule out a social conservative next time. It’s not zero/sum.


37 posted on 10/27/2007 7:14:03 AM PDT by kjo
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To: kjo

Listen Freepers

My point was not POTUS. It’s the Congress. If Rudy is nominated, we will take a big hit in the Senate and the House! Those of you who are Rudy supporters please defend your man and how he will not hurt our chances in Congress.


38 posted on 10/27/2007 7:20:17 AM PDT by ebmiller (Not this evangelical!)
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To: kjo
Just because we nominate a social liberal this time does not rule out a social conservative next time. It’s not zero/sum.

Perhaps. If Giuliani is nominated in the primaries and loses to Clinton in the general election, you can bet that the Republican party will not ignore their socially conservative base in the future.

However, if Giuliani wins the presidency, what lesson will be learned from this? What will be learned from a Giuliani victory is that issues that are dearly important to the religious right can be ignored without fear of losing the election. Furthermore, these issues might actually be liabilities for Republicans in that they turn off more moderate voters. The powers that be may interpret a Giuliani victory as saying that for every socially conservative voter who stayed home, they gained socially liberal voters.

For the record, as of this moment I'm predicting that Giuliani wins the Republican nomination but loses the election to Hillary Clinton. However, a lot can change and in politics, things usually do.

39 posted on 10/27/2007 7:44:00 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: kjo

Eighty percent of the media will be against us...factor it in and deal with it.
The MSM is an organ of the DNC.


Actually, I find the MSM rather friendly compared to some post you can find on FR. Fortuanately mostly FR is very good.


40 posted on 10/27/2007 8:03:38 AM PDT by broncobilly
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To: fieldmarshaldj
"The problem is what are we gaining removing all standards of a candidate’s morality and ideology by nominating a liberal to face Hillary simply to “stop her” ?"

That's been my question since RG was 'annointed' as the GOP nom. I just heard a talking head say that Bush's approval rating is 3x that of Congress... so why are Republican's so willing to stomp on conservative candidates??

If there were no Thompson or Hunter in the race, then I'd consider Rudy. You would think the Rep. nom race would be between just those two, with some Ron Paul thrown in for humor. Upside down and backwards, IMHO.

41 posted on 10/27/2007 8:12:03 AM PDT by sweet_diane (We lived our little drama.... and thankfully it is over. Thank you Coach Saban!)
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To: kjo
Rudy is smart, he’s tough, he’s mean, and he’s mostly liberal on social issues

And clearly doesn't understand "Right of The People" and "Shall not be Infringed".

That's my litmus test, and it's in the Constitution. The Constitution is silent on abortion, and many other issues. (Of course that means they aren't the federal government's business). But it's not silent on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. I will not vote for a primary candidate who so clearly does not obey the Constitution.

In general election I might have to hold my nose, once again, and vote for the lessor of two evils, which is still evil. But I'd also like to try to avoid that situation by a proper outcome during the primaries.

42 posted on 10/27/2007 9:17:39 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: kjo
no way is Wade going to be overturned; and if it is, the great majority of state legislatures will make it legal.

Which is the way it was before the Supreme Court stepped in and found another emanation from the penumbra. The states would be very unlikely, well most of them, MA and CA excepted, to continue with the "anything goes" situation we have now. I could even see the actual decision in Roe v Wade being adhered too. No restriction in the first trimester, restrictions but no ban in the second, and an ban in third. They might even look at the true development of the fetus, what we can now see on ultrasounds and even directly in some cases, and make that allowed during the first 8 weeks, maybe only 6, restricted for another 8 weeks, and banned after that. Or some variation of that and varying from state to state.

43 posted on 10/27/2007 9:31:15 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: sweet_diane

It’s crazy, you’re right.


44 posted on 10/27/2007 8:24:19 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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