Posted on 10/30/2007 5:19:20 AM PDT by Esther Ruth
What is Robert Schuller 'rethinking'?
Crystal Cathedral conference accused of twisting biblical Christianity
Posted: October 30, 2007 1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
Crystal Cathedral
It's an all-star conference set for the Crystal Cathedral in Garden Grove, Calif., Jan. 17-19.
Former President George H.W. Bush will speak.
Chuck Colson will make a presentation.
Larry King will be there.
Rupert Murdoch will address attendees.
Ben Stein will appear.
And Kay Warren, wife of Saddleback Church mega-pastor Rick Warren, will join Robert Schuller, the white-haired, bespectacled purveyor of "possibility thinking."
What could such a diverse group have in common? What's the topic?
Well, it's a little vague.
It's called the "Rethink Conference," and Schuller promises 30 "Aha!" moments from the 30 different speakers confirmed for the event.
Not everyone is thrilled about this meeting of the minds. Some, including Christian author and former New Age devotee Warren Smith, suspect an agenda to subvert the church – to take the focus off biblical truth and absolutes.
"From my perspective as a former New Age follower, I believe that Robert Schuller's mission has always been to 'rethink' and 'change' biblical Christianity into something 'new' – as in New Age/New Spirituality," he says.
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Crystal Cathedral conference accused of twisting biblical Christianity
Hey!
Even Evel Knievel is gonna be there!
Christ established his Church on Earth to change people's lives; not change itself to suit people's lives.
I was never fond of Shuller’s style, he always played on the emotions.
If you really know where things are going, are you really sure you wanna get there first?
Sure...if your salvation is unimportant to you.
Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect
I completely agree with Mr. Smith's statement above. This is not a diverse group at all, their intention is to destroy the church as we have known it. Their intention is to destroy the religious right. These people are all global elitists & that ain't a good thing.
Evel Knievel is not a global elitist!
The idea of this conference couldn’t be anymore vague. WTH are they going to discuss?
Ben Stein is one?
That would be a good guess.
Well I guess we will have to wait and see what is being "rethought". We are told the whole world will wonder after the 'instead-of-christ' except for the elect. Most do not even know who the 'instead-of-christ' is. Some do not think they will get left behind when the 'instead-of-christ' gets tossed upon earth. Then again this maybe an election year play to get out the vote. Could be an anti-war rally or a global warming crusade.
Unfortunately, many who proclaim themselves Christian fail to recall these passages in their quest for the ‘big tent’ philosophy of Christianity.
They will get their due in the end. And I believe it will be quick and substantial. After all, they’re subverting others into a mock Christianity. So sad for those subverted; so despicable for those who subvert them.
Robert Schuller, as well as the many other “Word Faith” Ministers teaching the “Gospel of Success”, the “Gospel of Positive Thinking”. have been leading people astray for many years.
Here is a quote of Schuller, “If you lead people to believe that by the power of their mind they can become rich and change their life, and if in fact that doesn’t happen, not only are they going to feel frustration but also more guilt for not having enough faith”.
I have heard for myself out of the mouth of one of our Seattle area Word Faith ministers, Casey Treat, say this, “The more rich you are, the more blessed by God you are.” and then he went on to say that if you are not rich, if you are struggling with your finances, you better examine your relationship with God.
Exactly, and worse - they are telling all the world the biggest lie of all - that all ways, all roads, all gods, all paths lead to God. The eternity that they are leading/pointing them to is an eternity in hell with satan and his.
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Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
1Cr 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Probabaly "Jesus Christ and Him Crucified". Such archaic concepts are negative and divide people, don't you know!
just in case: /s
Ben Stein is supporting Al Franken.
Amen!
Wonder how much Scripture he can jump over?!?!?!?
Now that's a good one!
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Day doesn’t seem to go by that there is not some conference, meeting, apostate ecumenical compromising junk going on some where on the planet with “used to be Christians” and elite one world universalists.” We are there.
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Hell is real and eternity forever and those without Jesus Christ, those who have not called on His name, those who have not been born again - that is where they will be without Christ.
Yes, true, however, Christ said these things 'need be', and still further Paul says that because "with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this *cause* God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:..."
IF these fit this scenario there is nothing that anyone can or will do to remove that strong delusion, yet we are told to test the fruit to discern whether they bear good fruit. The devil decided he was god, look what he offered Christ if Christ would bend His knee to the devil. Only the individual through their independent repentance comes out of that worldly deception and that is through Christ.
That word born *again* actually is born from *above* a requirement that all souls be born of woman into this flesh age. There are some that refused and they have received along with the devil the death sentence. Christ came into this world in like manner born of woman... The devil will never have that opportunity as he has already been sentence to death.
That’s a pretty scary guest list, particularly Mrs. Warren, Larry King, and Murdoch.
It’s too bad Garner Ted Armstrong isn’t still around; he always could give a great presentation!
This is as bad as it gets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No one has mentioned the “First Daddy”
Here is a quote of Schuller, “If you lead people to believe that by the power of their mind they can become rich and change their life, and if in fact that doesn’t happen, not only are they going to feel frustration but also more guilt for not having enough faith”.
I am not a fan of Schuller at all, but that quote sounds more like a criticism of "Word Faith" thinking.
And the traitor himself?...
Schuller comes out of the Dutch Reformation movement, his protoge being Norman Vincent Peale. Peale popularized 'the power of positive thinking'.....Schullers' schtick was change to 'the power of posibility thinking'.
Schuller is a dangerous man. What would have been declared by the church as a message of heracy 30 years ago, is now embraced as self esteem (Pride). Jesus Himself said in Matthew 24.....there would be wars, rumors of wars, pestilence, famines in diverse places....nation against nation,.....BUT before he warned of any of these things, he warned....BEWARE THAT YOU BE NOT DECEIVED. (Get a Strongs Concordance and exegete deceive, deception, deceiver....it will be astonishing how it applies today).
You’re preaching to the choir. I have good insight into how it applies today.
WOW, I had no clue, so this guy is Biblically ignorant or filled with strong delusions....
Isaiah 64:4 For since the *beginning* of the world 'men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O GOD,(Elohim) beside Thee, what He hath prepared for him that waiteth for HIM.' (quoted in ICor.2:9)
verse 6 then says "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away."
As Christians they need to “find out where we’re going?”
I’ve had no use for Schuller since he wrote, “The Be-Happy Attitudes”. A SS class we visited was studying the book, based (VERY loosely) on the beatitudes from the Sermon on the Mount. Somewhere between heresy and idiocy.
He’s just going through a cycle. (cymbal crash)
That recent commercial of his son is hilarious.
What about Osteen? comments?
It really doesn't matter what Stein says. What he DOES is support radical left wing candidates with his money.
Published October 30th, 2007 by Ken Silva in Seeker Sensitive, Apostasy, False Prophets, New Evangelicalism
Here is Robert Schuller from his travesty of a book Self-Esteem: The New Reformation:
If only we could love ourselves enough to dare to approach God, what constructive dreams he would give us! What noble possibilities God wants to reveal to us–possibilities that would offer stimulation plus real security in service. But we feel too unworthy. So one layer of negative behavior is laid upon another until we emerge as rebellious sinners. But our rebellion is a reaction, not our nature. By nature we are fearful, not bad.
Original sin is not a mean streak; it is a nontrusting inclination. The core of original sin, then is LOT–Lack of Trust. Or, it could be considered an innate inability to adequately value ourselves. Label it a "negative self-image," but do not say that the central core of the human soul is wickedness. If this were so, then truly, the human being is totally depraved. But positive Christianity does not hold to human depravity, but to human inability. I am humanly unable to correct my negative self-image until I encounter a life-changing experience with nonjudgmental love bestowed upon me by a Person whom I admire so much that to be unconditionally accepted by him is to be born again. (66,67, emphasis mine)
(above excerpt taken from www.christianresearchnetwork.com)
Given Schuller's outright heresy, why would any Christian leader associate with him?
Thought Partners??? - Did someone somewhere decide already and announce it on the nightly news that we are all in need of Thought Partners now? Are Thought Partners included in the registration fee or do they cost extra and how much for the trade marked Thought Partner Brain Chip? Installation?
So Schuller denegrates the Martyr Latimer who was burned alive at the stake for Christs'sake and says the Reformers were wrong...Sola scriptura was inadequet....we need a new reformation of self esteem, self agrandizement, self actualization, and I say self ad nauseum. Jesus said SELF was the very problem. But Schuller and his tribe offer a new reformation, an improved reformation, a delusion of Self idolotry. God have mercy on this country, born from the caldron of the reformation, only to turn to idols. It is an all too familiar refrain.
SOLA SCRIPTURA, Sola CRIST.
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