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Anti-Drug Air Base Pact To Be Ended (Ecuador)
The Washington Times ^ | Oct 30, 2007 | not specified

Posted on 10/30/2007 8:49:18 AM PDT by RDTF

QUITO, ECUADOR — The Ecuadorean government on Friday insisted on ending a cooperation agreement with the United States that allows the U.S. military to use a coastal air force base for anti-drug operations in the Andes.

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...Galo Mora, a representative of Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa, told participants at a solidarity forum with Cuba.

The 10-year agreement, signed by the United States and Ecuador in 1999, allows Washington to deploy up to 475 military personnel in Manta in support of counternarcotics operations.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: andes; cia; communists; cuba; dea; drugwar; ecuador; idiotpostfest; narcoterrorism; wod; wodlist; wodwodlist
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1 posted on 10/30/2007 8:49:19 AM PDT by RDTF
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To: RDTF
Presidente Correa is evidently good for something.

On another note, many members of New Jersey's large Ecuadorian community are trying like hell to get into Spain and Italy, so that they can earn their under the table money in Euros.

2 posted on 10/30/2007 8:53:43 AM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: RDTF

Ecuador is slowly going the way of Venezuela. Maybe deporting the 400,000 Ecuadoran illegals here could make a difference.


3 posted on 10/30/2007 8:54:51 AM PDT by Parmenio
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To: RDTF

With the recent election of Rafael Correa, Ecuador has joined the “Axis of Hugo.”


4 posted on 10/30/2007 8:55:03 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: RDTF

End the Drug War. NOW. To everyone who complains that the Democrats are so draconian in their philosophy, I would remind you that you lost more rights in the drug war than any Democrat has ever taken from you through taxes, legislation, or executive power.


5 posted on 10/30/2007 8:55:51 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: RDTF

Sounds like a really good idea for them economically, trade a little of the US military money for whole bunch of drug money.


6 posted on 10/30/2007 8:58:38 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: RDTF
Ecuador - just another Rice foreign policy success story to go along with her prior successes in Venezuela, Nicaragua, and Brazil.
7 posted on 10/30/2007 9:01:15 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: domenad

I can’t even comment on how ridiculous your post is


8 posted on 10/30/2007 9:05:10 AM PDT by RDTF ("Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear". Mark Twain)
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To: domenad

I agree.


9 posted on 10/30/2007 9:06:47 AM PDT by Taylor42
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To: RDTF

That’s the kind of thing a person without the intellectual cajones for a coherent argument would naturally say. I can easily defend my statement. Can you?


10 posted on 10/30/2007 9:07:55 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
The official currency of Ecuador is the U.S. Dollar and there is little if any production of cocaine in Ecuador.
11 posted on 10/30/2007 9:08:05 AM PDT by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: RDTF
I can’t even comment on how ridiculous your post is...

Ahem...

12 posted on 10/30/2007 9:11:05 AM PDT by JRios1968 (Faith is not believing that God can. It is knowing that God will. - Ben Stein)
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To: domenad

absolutely, and I would never post what or how in a public forum, pal.


13 posted on 10/30/2007 9:12:24 AM PDT by RDTF ("Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear". Mark Twain)
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To: PAR35

Blame Rice™?


14 posted on 10/30/2007 9:17:53 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: RDTF
A sad reality is that our emphasis in Latin/South America has declined over the years while our adversaries have largely united and gained in momentum with a reemerging Russian bear standing behind them. But none of this is news worthy, EXCEPT if they can twist this into being because of Iraq and Bush’s fault; then MSNBC or CBS might run a story.

Politically the “domino theory” may it be in South East Asia after we withdrew from Vietnam, the Middle East today, the fall of the wall in 1989 and the shattering of the East block, the breaking apart of the former Soviet Republics, or South America; it holds true! Cuba, Venezuela, and the dynamics of a more affluent, more aggressive Russia change the dynamics in South America and like domino's, the smaller fringe states quickly align themselves with “whomever” they see as being the power brokers because they want regime preservation and are largely buy-able and corrupt at the most senior levels to almost unimaginable degree.

15 posted on 10/30/2007 9:20:53 AM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: Cindy

ping to losing advantageous location where we have based some of our fight on terrorism and it’s financial support. Announced at a pro Cuba rally.


16 posted on 10/30/2007 9:26:27 AM PDT by RDTF ("Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear". Mark Twain)
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To: 1rudeboy
Blame Rice™?

She'd get credit for the successes (were there any) so she should get blame for the failures (which are many).

17 posted on 10/30/2007 9:26:57 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

She’s an employee. That’s like saying a bank teller should get credit for your low interest rate.


18 posted on 10/30/2007 9:37:15 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: domenad
I can easily defend my statement

I'd agree with ending the WOD. I don't know how you could support the rest of your statement

19 posted on 10/30/2007 9:43:43 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: domenad
You are a certifiable idiot.

Turn off the drug war and regions of South America will turn into anarchy. It is exactly things like School of the Americas, our DEA and DoD efforts in Columbia, financial aid packages to some of these governments that is keeping a resemblance of normalcy and some stability in some of these places.

20 posted on 10/30/2007 9:55:11 AM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: paul51

It’s very simple. Under the cloak of the War on Drugs, men have been imprisoned unjustly. Money and property has been confiscated without due process. Civil liberties have been routinely violated. An entire generation of men and women have been turned into criminals because a government entity wants to dictate what they can and can’t put into their bodies. Their livelihoods are often stripped from them. Billions of your tax dollars go down a hole in Columbia. An entire plane of NUNS was shot down in the jungle because it was mistaken for a drug runner plane. For a fraction of the money we spend interdicting other countries, we could treat victims of drug addiction and reduce drug use by the same amount that enforcement currently does without the attendant abuse. The drug war is an infrigement on the liberties of every single American. I don’t know any piece of Democratic legislation to compare to it.


21 posted on 10/30/2007 9:58:35 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: domenad
We just need to execute drug dealers as they cross into this country. No big war... just dead mules.

LLS

22 posted on 10/30/2007 9:59:25 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Red6
http://www.sptimes.com/2007/09/20/Pasco/Pain_patient_hopes_fo.shtml

Here's another idiot - a man in terrible pain, arrested, put in jail, and deprived of his life. You ever need pain management my friend? You know how difficult it is to get pain medication, or to even get a pain management specialist to prescribe it? Know why that is? They're terrified that their licenses will be revoked by some scumbag DEA agent who is looking to make his quota. People don't seek treatment because of the stigma attached to illegal drugs. People are in pain and suffering because of the war on drugs, just another facet of its injustice.

If ever I hated being conservative, it is the rife hypocrisy that goes unnoticed. South America will turn into anarchy? So what? And what does that say of your opinion of the people down there? We can handle freedom up here, but down there, they need a little nudge eh? Nice. I thought we were about limited government. Are we, as conservatives, serious about that or not?

23 posted on 10/30/2007 10:11:51 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: RDTF

Why not? You hittin’ the herb? Any day of the week, the only thing turning up in my blood work is iron and Jack Daniels. How about you?


24 posted on 10/30/2007 10:13:02 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: domenad

ZOT ALERT!

you need to find another forum, I can’t believe you have existed this long on here


25 posted on 10/30/2007 10:16:37 AM PDT by RDTF ("Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear". Mark Twain)
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To: domenad

So if you legalize drugs, who gets to sell it?


26 posted on 10/30/2007 10:19:59 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: RDTF
Boy you really can't put together any type of argument, can you? "Hey, admins, I can't defend myself, can you please ban this guy?"

That's okay. I won't tax your...ahem....intellect any more.

27 posted on 10/30/2007 10:22:30 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

That’s a whole other thread, wouldn’t you say? They seem to have figured out a system in Amsterdam. Couldn’t we?


28 posted on 10/30/2007 10:27:40 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: Red6
You are a certifiable idiot.

Turn off the drug war and regions of South America will turn into anarchy. It is exactly things like School of the Americas, our DEA and DoD efforts in Columbia, financial aid packages to some of these governments that is keeping a resemblance of normalcy and some stability in some of these places.


Rather than debasing yourself by resorting to ad hominem attacks on your opponent (which make you look childish and unprepared to actually argue your points), perhaps you can enlighten us by expounding on your theory.

Exactly which regions of South America "will turn into anarchy" if the United States "turn[s] off the drug war"? How much does it cost the US taxpayer annually to prevent anarchy in these specific regions? And why do you suppose that it is the responsibility of the US taxpayer to prevent anarchy in South America?

Should we suppose that you are not so much anti-drug as anti-anarchism? Do you support anti-anarchist spending across the rest of the world? Zimbabwe is currently anarchic, as is Somalia to name only two countries. Should the US military be involved in both of these countries too? What about anarchic regions within countries?

Can you think of any reason why the United States government should not try to police the entire world to prevent anarchy?

Also, you meant "semblance" not "resemblance."

jas3
29 posted on 10/30/2007 10:34:27 AM PDT by jas3
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To: domenad

As far as I know they allow pot and hash, but are even rethinking that. I’m pretty sure they don’t allow sales of coke, heroin, meth., etc.


30 posted on 10/30/2007 11:14:39 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: jas3

You’re clueless and a waste of my time.

If you don’t know anything about the narco traffickers/cartels, Soviet influence in the past and Russian present, if you have no concept of US dependence on this region economically or the drugs that are produced there, you’re beyond the point where you’re salvageable.

” Also, you meant “semblance” not “resemblance.” “ But you make a good point! That’s a good argument right there, good reasoning.

There are better web-site more suited for people like you. Try:

http://www.democraticunderground.com
http://www.dailykos.com
http://www.moveon.org

There you can find many likeminded people who think that sticking ones head in the sand is an answer; or that if we just ignore Islamic threats, ignore a revitalization of former Soviet threat pictures, just ignore the influx of drugs, and ignore banana republics upon which we are dependent in economic aspects, we’ll be OK.

Maybe look for a misspelling, that’ll prove your point.


31 posted on 10/30/2007 2:26:29 PM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: domenad
I would like to add to your post that the War on Drugs also serves to keep an very inflated cost on drugs which only serves to easily enrich the drug cartels by providing maximum profit per goods sold.

The WOD should be eliminated. We have pharmaceutical drugs, booze, homegrown meth, and homegrown marijuana. There is no reason to be in other countries worrying about what they produce. The WOD only serves to make the business highly profitable.

It's a bit dishonest to have politicians, e.g., "Patches" Kennedy and his Uncle Teddy all boozed up and on meds while passing drug laws. It's ridiculous. And has it stopped cocaine, heroin, and marijuana? Nope. It's only driven profit up for the cartels.

32 posted on 10/30/2007 2:37:29 PM PDT by avacado (Republicans Destroyed Democrats' Most Cherished Institution: SLAVERY!)
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To: VeniVidiVici

I’m willing to start anywhere, at any place. Pot and hash, whatever, something needs to change. But the status quo is not acceptable.


33 posted on 10/30/2007 3:00:47 PM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: Red6
Do you have anything to say to the Americans in pain who cannot get sufficient medicine because of the WOD? Do you have anything to say to the victims of cancer who must make arduous trips to their pain managment specialist because they cannot get a script for more than 30 days? Do you have anything to say to the individuals who are helped by Hospice who are persecuted and relentlessly dogged because they use pain meds to ease the suffering of the terminally ill? Do you have anything to say to the cop who takes a fatal bullet over arresting a guy for smoking a joint? Do you have anything to say to the student who cannot go to college or get financial aid because he was caught with marijuana as a teen?

Do you have anything to offer other than the status quo? My guess is the answer to every question is a resounding "No."

34 posted on 10/30/2007 3:05:01 PM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: Red6; domenad
You’re clueless and a waste of my time.

If you don’t know anything about the narco traffickers/cartels, Soviet influence in the past and Russian present, if you have no concept of US dependence on this region economically or the drugs that are produced there, you’re beyond the point where you’re salvageable.

” Also, you meant “semblance” not “resemblance.” “ But you make a good point! That’s a good argument right there, good reasoning.

There are better web-site more suited for people like you. Try:

http://www.democraticunderground.com http://www.dailykos.com http://www.moveon.org

There you can find many likeminded people who think that sticking ones head in the sand is an answer; or that if we just ignore Islamic threats, ignore a revitalization of former Soviet threat pictures, just ignore the influx of drugs, and ignore banana republics upon which we are dependent in economic aspects, we’ll be OK.

Maybe look for a misspelling, that’ll prove your point.


I was simply responding to your insulting reply to domenad on post 20.

Sadly for you, I am not clueless. In fact I have challenge you to expound on your assertions, and you once again had to resort to personal attacks. This time you attacked me instead of domenad.

One wonders why people like you bother to post on public forums that are designed to encourage debate at all. Do you mistakenly believe that the sole purpose of FreeRepublic is to insult other posters? Regardless, I'm sure your mother would be extremely disappointed in your manners.

I do agree that I am a waste of your time. In fact any attempt at rational discourse seems to be a complete waste of your time.

Since you suggested the contrary, I will tell you that I am quite familiar with Russian history. I am less familiar with "US dependence on this region economically." Remind me of what significance Columbia and Ecuador are to the United States, if you can find the time to type a few rational thoughts between your personal attacks.

Back to your last post: yes, I am quite familiar with the drugs that are produced there, and in Afghanistan, and in Baja, and in Seattle, and in Thailand, and all over the world. Fortunately, by your definition, this makes me salvageable.

Also, you meant “semblance” not “resemblance.” “ But you make a good point! That’s a good argument right there, good reasoning.

I typed the comment on your misuse of the English language as a reminder that words have meaning and as a caution to you to be more careful with your posts.

Thank you for your list of web-site[s] that are more suited for people like me. Do you always hyphenate the word website? Based upon your poor etiquette, poor spelling, inadequate use of language, and your inability or unwillingness to provide an argument for your juvenile claims, I assure you that you would find the sites on that list far more to your liking than I. Most of the posters there are prone to emotional outburst and refuse to actually debate any issues logically, very much like yourself. Any attempt to actually engage in dialog is usually met with emotional claims that one is a certifiable idiot, clueless, or a waste of time, much as you have done on this thread.

This statement: There you can find many likeminded people who think that sticking ones head in the sand is an answer; or that if we just ignore Islamic threats, ignore a revitalization of former Soviet threat pictures, just ignore the influx of drugs, and ignore banana republics upon which we are dependent in economic aspects, we’ll be OK. is so off target, perplexing, irrational, and ill worded, that I'll leave it for a later reply. As for now, you have yet to answer any of my questions in post 29.

If you so emotionally belive that the United States taxpayer should be preventing anarchy in South America, lets start with the basics. When the United States withdraws from Ecuador, as it must by international treaty, what areas specifically do you expect "will turn into anarchy"?

As an exercise in self control try to write a complete post in response without attempting to insult anyone.

jas3
35 posted on 10/30/2007 3:20:22 PM PDT by jas3
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To: Red6

lol - just enough rope and they hang themselves, all you have to do is sit back and enjoy.


36 posted on 10/30/2007 3:21:40 PM PDT by RDTF ("Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear". Mark Twain)
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To: jas3

February 20, 2006 - Ecuadorian troops clashed with Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) guerrillas Feb. 18 in Ecuador's northeastern province of Sucumbios. Ecuador had declared neutrality in the conflict between the Colombian government and FARC and had refused to brand the guerrillas as a terrorist organization.

This is the first time under the current administration that the Ecuadorian army has clashed directly with FARC guerrillas who settled in its territory. This confrontation was in the same area where Colombia's air force has made at least three raids against FARC since November, with the most recent raid generating a diplomatic spat between Quito and Bogota.

The Colombian army's expeditions were a response to the Ecuadorian government's lack of recognition of FARC camps on its side of the border.


37 posted on 10/30/2007 9:16:11 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: VeniVidiVici
So if you legalize drugs, who gets to sell it?

This is a question that does really need to be answered. I've flirted with both extremes of the WOD/legalization issue, and while I agree that a lot of the excesses of current drug policy are draconian and unnecessary (people do not need to go to jail for years for posessing some dope, something which I am sure many of us have done at some point), libertarian-minded people tend to view the world like any good theorist would. The problem is, utopian theories don't work in practice, because human nature is predispositioned toward the basest behavior.
38 posted on 10/30/2007 9:50:22 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Conservative til I die
Of course it would be regulated and taxed. Essentially the government would become a dope-pusher, interested in hooking more addicts in order to raise revenue.
39 posted on 10/30/2007 9:53:50 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Conservative til I die
This is a question that does really need to be answered.

You're absolutely right. And I can never get a really good answer for it.

The problem as I see it is that they may eventually go so far as to legalize pot and hash. So then where does one go to buy it? 7/11? Over the counter? Prescription?

People abuse prescription drugs now. They buy it and sell it on the street. Even though they are legal.

7/11? So then people will steal it and sell it on the streets. Mainly because HUGE taxes will be levied on it so people can then go to "government treatment centers" promised to them by the legalizers.

Anyhow, the taxes will cause a large black market will begin. Which will be filled by (gangs, terrorists, your mom, fill in any name here) who will get top dollar to plow back into their sales of illegal drugs: heroin, cocaine, meth, etc.

You want to end the war on drugs? Fine. Sell it all. Don't regulate it and don't pay for rehab. You have a tweeker family member that gets hooked on the legal meth; pay for rehab yourself.

Maybe if we don't pay for any of it once people start dying in huge numbers because the government is not paying for their rehab, they'll think it's not a good idea and drug use will drop.

Hey, this could work to lower drug use!!

40 posted on 10/30/2007 10:27:14 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Of course it would be regulated and taxed. Essentially the government would become a dope-pusher, interested in hooking more addicts in order to raise revenue.

Or just let Phillip Morris or Bayer sell it over the counter (or maybe at the register with the gum and candy bars), hence legitimizing it in addition to legalizing it. Not sure which would be worse.

I'm a bit rusty on my WOD politics...do libertarians also push legalization as a way to lower drug use, or do they admit that it would only increase drug use and abuse?
41 posted on 10/30/2007 10:45:41 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Since you posted no comments with your text, I fail to see how these areas "will turn into anarchy". These areas are already largely anarchic, and a 400 man airbase in Ecuador has failed to keep them from the FARC or the drug lords.

You also didn't explain why these areas are of critical economic importance, which you claimed in your earlier post.

The Unites States has no business fighting civil wars in Ecuador in economically irrelevant backwaters. I will be glad to see the airbase closed. I hope the FARC loses (although they are only moderately worse than the Morales government), but unless the United States plans to send boots on the ground into South American jungles, there is nothing the United States military can do about it.


42 posted on 10/31/2007 5:33:45 AM PDT by jas3
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To: jas3

Venezuela - Oil
Panama - Strategic canal
Chile- Copper
Brazil Sugar Cane – ethanol fuel/sugar…….

Do you know why we went into Grenada, where a huge runway paid for by the Soviets was being built? Do you think that runway largely built by Cuban workers and DDR (East German engineers) was for tourism and commercial use? Do you realize the Marxist aligned Nicaragua (Sandinistas) were backing the Marxist regime in Grenada?

Do you know why we had a missile crisis years ago with Cuba; what kinds of missiles were being emplaced?

Let’s talk trade; can you grasp the concept that after the US, Brazil is the largest economy on either side of the canal to whom we export 15+ billions dollars worth per year?

Monroe already understood the importance and in 1923 the “Monroe Doctrine” was declared. There has never been a time, not even before the declaration of independence when the US existed in a vacuum. South America is our backyard. What happens there affects us. Others have influence there and when we ignore this part of the world, powers that are not allied with us reach their arms into this region and fill the vacuum. It has always been that case.

Today the spot light is on Islam and the Middle East. Our backyard is nonetheless significant and disengagement will only net worsen our situation. Taking off the pressure from drug cartels that hire mercenaries, a nation from which near ¾ of the worlds cocaine originates, will allow well financed and ruthless thugs to threaten a democracy that even with our financial aid, with our military and DEA assistance, intelligence via CIA/NSA and NIMA (It’s been renamed) still has to have secret courts and judges deliver verdicts from behind mirrored bulletproof glass since sentencing a cartel member often equates to a death sentence for the judge. Do you know what a “Columbian necktie” is?

As I wrote before- Politically the “domino theory” may it be in South East Asia after we withdrew from Vietnam, the Middle East today, the fall of the wall in 1989 and the shattering of the East block, the breaking apart of the former Soviet Republics, or South America; it holds true! Cuba, Venezuela, and the dynamics of a more affluent, more aggressive Russia change the dynamics in South America. Even China has a larger influence in this part of the world than ever before. Like domino’s, the smaller fringe states quickly tend to align themselves with whomever they see as being the power brokers. The rise of Russia, Cuba, and Venezuela in this region is no positive trend. Do you know who the FARC are in bed with? Do you know where a lot of their money comes from?

Those who argue for disengagement are idiots.


43 posted on 10/31/2007 6:37:16 AM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

He’s all about polemics. All form, no function. As I mentioned, a waste of time.


44 posted on 10/31/2007 6:42:46 AM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: Red6
Venezuela - Oil

Are you aware that Venezuela is already run by a communist dictator? Venezuela is an insignificant trading partner with the US, despite the large heavy crude deposits there. What in the world would an anti-drug air base have to do with oil in Venezuela?

Panama - Strategic canal

Is your theory here that the Panama Canal is protected by an anti-drug airbase? Are you not aware that the United States protects the canal with other assets? Wouldn't the assets wasted in Ecuador be better used in Panama anyhow?

Chile- Copper

Please, there is ZERO effect on global copper production impacted by this air base.

Brazil Sugar Cane – ethanol fuel/sugar…….

Hahhahahaha. Brazilian sugar cane production is thousands of miles away and is economically unimportant to the US anyhow. You might as well argue that Antarctic guano production facilities could be impacted by this air base.

Do you know why we went into Grenada, where a huge runway paid for by the Soviets was being built? Do you think that runway largely built by Cuban workers and DDR (East German engineers) was for tourism and commercial use? Do you realize the Marxist aligned Nicaragua (Sandinistas) were backing the Marxist regime in Grenada?

Yup. And I supported Reagan in that action. That has nothing to do with an anti-drug airbase in Ecuador.

Do you know why we had a missile crisis years ago with Cuba; what kinds of missiles were being emplaced?

Yup. And once again, that has nothing to do with an air base in Ecuador or the drug war.

Let’s talk trade; can you grasp the concept that after the US, Brazil is the largest economy on either side of the canal to whom we export 15+ billions dollars worth per year?

Yes I can. And an anti-drug air base in Ecuador will have zero impact on securing Brazilian trade, the importance of which you overstate. $15 billion is not even 1% of US national product. If Brazil disappeared off the face of the earth tomorrow, the US economy would not miss a beat. You are pretending it is as important as Canada, which it is not. Brazil is largely irrelevant.

Monroe already understood the importance and in 1923 the “Monroe Doctrine” was declared. There has never been a time, not even before the declaration of independence when the US existed in a vacuum. South America is our backyard. What happens there affects us. Others have influence there and when we ignore this part of the world, powers that are not allied with us reach their arms into this region and fill the vacuum. It has always been that case.

I was unaware that the Monroe Doctrine was declared quite so late after Monroe left office, but thanks for the history lesson. After you research the Monroe Doctrine a little more to get your date right, you might consider that not existing in a vacuum does not require useless air bases in unfriendly countries. Further, not having an air base in Ecuador does not equate to ignoring the rest of the world.

Today the spot light is on Islam and the Middle East. Our backyard is nonetheless significant and disengagement will only net worsen our situation. Taking off the pressure from drug cartels that hire mercenaries, a nation from which near ¾ of the worlds cocaine originates, will allow well financed and ruthless thugs to threaten a democracy that even with our financial aid, with our military and DEA assistance, intelligence via CIA/NSA and NIMA (It’s been renamed) still has to have secret courts and judges deliver verdicts from behind mirrored bulletproof glass since sentencing a cartel member often equates to a death sentence for the judge. Do you know what a “Columbian necktie” is?

Ecuador is not "our backyard". It is not even in the same zip code. Tell me why the people and government of a democratically elected Ecuadorian government want the US to leave? You seem to hold out democracy as the goal but refuse to accept that the people do not want the US military on their soil. Leaving the air base and withdrawing 400 staff does not equal disengagement.

As I wrote before- Politically the “domino theory” may it be in South East Asia after we withdrew from Vietnam, the Middle East today, the fall of the wall in 1989 and the shattering of the East block, the breaking apart of the former Soviet Republics, or South America; it holds true! Cuba, Venezuela, and the dynamics of a more affluent, more aggressive Russia change the dynamics in South America. Even China has a larger influence in this part of the world than ever before. Like domino’s, the smaller fringe states quickly tend to align themselves with whomever they see as being the power brokers. The rise of Russia, Cuba, and Venezuela in this region is no positive trend. Do you know who the FARC are in bed with? Do you know where a lot of their money comes from?

Those who argue for disengagement are idiots.


What about those who think that the United States is a colonial power? Are they "idiots" too? What about people who are unable to distinguish betewen removing an air base and disengagement? Are they idiots? What about people who think that the government of Evo Morales is not already a domino that has fallen? Are they idiots?

jas3
45 posted on 10/31/2007 7:08:50 AM PDT by jas3
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Whatever,

I don’t have the time to waste.


46 posted on 10/31/2007 8:11:52 AM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: Red6
Whatever,

I don’t have the time to waste.


I'm sure you'll be spending your time researching the 1923 Monroe Doctrine and how anti-drug air bases in Ecuador can be used to defend vital interests of the US, like Brazilian sugar cane production.

Good luck to you, sir, and thanks for playing. Please feel free to try again at a later date.

jas3
47 posted on 10/31/2007 8:27:10 AM PDT by jas3
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1. I'm not the person you were originally posting to. I just wanted to give you some of the information you asked for.

2. Morales is the Chavista in power in Bolivia, not Ecuador.

3. We already have boots on the ground in Colombia. South American stability is of crucial importance to the national security of the United States of America. It is absolutely unacceptable to allow South America to be taken over by communist narco-terrorists.

You will be glad to see the airbase closed? So will all the communist terrorists in South America. If you want the US out of South America, then you should support Hugo Chavez and all the communist terrorists in South America who want the same thing as you do.

48 posted on 10/31/2007 11:54:37 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: jas3
What about those who think that the United States is a colonial power? Are they "idiots" too?

No they are liars known as communists.

49 posted on 10/31/2007 11:55:52 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Conservative til I die
do libertarians also push legalization as a way to lower drug use, or do they admit that it would only increase drug use and abuse?

They really don't seem to care. The libertarian attitude is, if you want to poison yourself, go right ahead.

You put your finger on it when you pointed out the utopian nature of libertarian philosophy. Like liberalism, it only works in theory, not in practice. Libertarians are also much like liberals in that they do not recognize or acknowledge the terrible unintended consequences that result from their naive good intentions.

50 posted on 10/31/2007 12:01:38 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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