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LA fire started by boy with matches
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Posted on 10/30/2007 10:11:26 PM PDT by Santa Fe_Conservative

Edited on 10/30/2007 10:38:14 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

SANTA CLARITA, Calif. - A boy playing with matches started a fire in north Los Angeles County that consumed more than 38,000 acres and destroyed 21 homes last week, authorities said Tuesday. Sheriff's Sgt. Diane Hecht said she did not know the boy's exact age, but she believed he was younger than a teenager.

The boy, whose name and age were not released, was interviewed a day after the Buckweed Fire was sparked Oct. 21, said sheriff's Sgt. Diane Hecht.

"He admitted to playing with matches and accidentally starting the fire," said Hecht said in a statement.

The boy was released to his parents, and the case will be be presented to the district attorney's office, Hecht said.

The 60-square-mile fire began in an area near Agua Dulce and quickly spread by fierce desert winds. It was among more than a dozen major wildfires that killed 14 people and blackened 809 square miles from Los Angeles to the Mexican border.

Authorities arrested five people for arson during that period, but none have been linked to any of the major blazes.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: boy; buckweedfire; fires; socal; wildfires
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That kid sounds like he's in BIG trouble.
1 posted on 10/30/2007 10:11:27 PM PDT by Santa Fe_Conservative
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To: Santa Fe_Conservative

Parents too...


2 posted on 10/30/2007 10:15:15 PM PDT by DB
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To: Santa Fe_Conservative

The lil terrorist lit that lit up LA.


3 posted on 10/30/2007 10:16:13 PM PDT by rineaux (How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
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To: rineaux

The lil terrorist that lit up LA. not lit lit, LOL. Less he lit a few matches.


4 posted on 10/30/2007 10:17:18 PM PDT by rineaux (How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
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To: Santa Fe_Conservative

Well, there goes those folks retirement.


5 posted on 10/30/2007 10:18:59 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Santa Fe_Conservative

I can understand not releasing the boy’s name, but I sure would like to know his age.


6 posted on 10/30/2007 10:22:41 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: Santa Fe_Conservative

10 minute timeout for YOU!


7 posted on 10/30/2007 10:23:33 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Santa Fe_Conservative

I feel for the boy.

I burnt my house down to the ground when I was 4 in December of ‘58 playing with matches. All 5 kids, ages 1 month through 8 years, and mom made it out.

They didn’t know what happened until I confessed about three days later. I think the enormity of the guilt was killing me. Thankfully my dad was in a very forgiving mood otherwise I would not be posting this.

Remember it like it was yesterday.

Hang in there kid.


8 posted on 10/30/2007 10:23:39 PM PDT by DogandPonyShow (America, the Light of the World.)
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To: Santa Fe_Conservative

Given the Ivy League’s propensity to fawn over terrorists, looks like this kid needs to change his name to Mohammed and claim the fire was part of jihad. Or he can join GreenPeace and assert the fire was designed to point out the dangers of urban sprawl. He’ll be inundated with scholarship offers.


9 posted on 10/30/2007 10:23:49 PM PDT by peyton randolph (tag line taking a siesta)
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To: DogandPonyShow

Unless he’s up around 15 or older, I say, he’s just a kid. No guilt necessary. And unless his parents were criminally neglecting him in some way, same to them. We can’t start expecting kids to have adult capacity all of sudden. They simply don’t have it.


10 posted on 10/30/2007 10:28:36 PM PDT by Marie2 (I used to be disgusted. . .now I try to be amused.)
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To: Santa Fe_Conservative
It does not say how old the boy is.

Young Boy Started Buckweed Fire With Matches

"..Sheriff's Sgt. Diane Hecht said she did not know the boy's exact age, but she believed he was younger than a teenager.."

I have also seen other articles that say this is a teen.

11 posted on 10/30/2007 10:30:09 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: DogandPonyShow

Parents try to kid-proof the house, but you can’t remember everything. It’s very hard to keep kids out of everything as well.

The matches shouldn’t have been available to this kid. Lighters, matches, oven lighters, all should be locked away to prevent kids from their natural inclination to discover what fire is all about at the expense of the family or community.

Young kids do not understand the ramifications of their acts. As long as the kid doesn’t have a long standing problem involving a number of incidents where he was playing with fire and it cause problems, it’s probably a one time mistake.

Some kids do have a propensity to play with fire. And those kids need to work through it if possible with a professional.

I’m glad things turned out well for you.


12 posted on 10/30/2007 10:30:24 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We yen to be numba one. We find Crintons to be vewy good people. Worth every penny.)
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To: DoughtyOne

The matches shouldn’t have been available to this kid. Lighters, matches, oven lighters, all should be locked away

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Yeah that is soooo easy to say, but my 6 year old boy is smarter at finding and unlocking everything I try to keep away from him than I am at hiding it and the key, as I was, I was about 8 when my brother and I caught the field behind the house on fire, luckily the FD was only 1/4 mile away and it only singed less than an acre


13 posted on 10/30/2007 10:41:44 PM PDT by rontorr (It's just my opinion, but I am RIGHT!)
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To: Santa Fe_Conservative

Throw the kid and parents in jail. The parents should financially pay for it as well. They should have been supervising and watching the kid. They have parental authority and are reponsible for the welfare of the child. If they don’t want the responsibility or can’t handle it, then they shouldn’t have kids.


14 posted on 10/30/2007 10:46:19 PM PDT by racing fan (Go Buckeyes!!!!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Young kids do not understand the ramifications of their acts. As long as the kid doesn’t have a long standing problem involving a number of incidents where he was playing with fire and it cause problems, it’s probably a one time mistake.
What, you're not in favor of the death penalty in this case? /sarc

Kids have been making mistakes for a long time.

Maybe it was a kid who discovered fire. You don't suppose he got his butt beat by his dad. lol

15 posted on 10/30/2007 10:47:02 PM PDT by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
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To: rontorr

Nobody said it was easy. I just said it’s important. If you have to lock items in a cupboard and keep that key on you at all times, then that’s what you have to do.

One fire can destroy your future and the future of everyone in your family. Whether anyone dies or not, the loss of your home would set you back years if not decades. And if someone does die, the kid will carry it with them for the rest of their life.

I’m just raising the issue. It’s not my intent to offend anyone.


16 posted on 10/30/2007 10:51:09 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We yen to be numba one. We find Crintons to be vewy good people. Worth every penny.)
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To: racing fan
Throw the kid and parents in jail. The parents should financially pay for it as well. They should have been supervising and watching the kid. They have parental authority and are reponsible for the welfare of the child. If they don’t want the responsibility or can’t handle it, then they shouldn’t have kids.

Mistrust those in whom the urge to punish is strong.
17 posted on 10/30/2007 10:54:33 PM PDT by microgood
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To: 21stCenturyFreeThinker

I think the kid probably discovered fire when he and dad had that little talk out back of the blackened woodshed.

Yes, kids screw up. You just hope they won’t kill someone in the process.


18 posted on 10/30/2007 10:56:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We yen to be numba one. We find Crintons to be vewy good people. Worth every penny.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Guess you don’t have children, eh?


19 posted on 10/30/2007 10:57:05 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Cobra64

I raised two of them. I did take the responsibility of making certain things unavailable to them.


20 posted on 10/30/2007 11:00:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We yen to be numba one. We find Crintons to be vewy good people. Worth every penny.)
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To: Santa Fe_Conservative

I think the MSM needs to determine whether the kid is a future Democrat or Republican..... if a Republican, crucify him. If a Democrat, well of course he meant well and only wanted to demonstrate the eviiiiillll nature of the Bush admin. /s


21 posted on 10/30/2007 11:01:37 PM PDT by Enchante (Democrat terror-fighting motto: "BLEAT - CHEAT - RETREAT - DEFEAT")
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To: racing fan

egads. Didn’t you ever screw up when you were a kid? I left a pitchfork out and my horse stepped on it. It came up and slapped him on the fanny. He came down on the handle at the groin. $1200 later, the horse was okay, but I felt like dog food myself. My parents were understandably angry and I had to stay up with the horse for two days to make sure he peed. But my parents couldn’t be there every second. You just pray you do the best you can and the kid doesn’t kill someone just for being a kid. This whole story is a real sad situation for the kid, the parents, the families that lost their homes. I can’t think of one person, and I know a couple, that lost everything or were evacuated, that would have a kid playing with matches punished like that. That certainly wouldn’t bring back their house. It would only make me feel worse. What makes me feel better is how those neighborhoods including mine have rallied to get those people new clothes, kitchen ware, blankets, whatever they need.


22 posted on 10/30/2007 11:04:37 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult)
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To: DoughtyOne

My dad raised 13 of us. None of ever burned down the house, but man o man, it was close a couple of times. And he’s an AF colonel. Not one to brook disobedience. You’d almost rather fall on your sword.


23 posted on 10/30/2007 11:08:03 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult)
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To: rontorr

One thing that seemed to help with my older son was that I said he could light matches as long as I was around. So if he felt that he wanted to do this he could just ask me. This probably wouldn’t work with every kid.


24 posted on 10/30/2007 11:09:47 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: DogandPonyShow

There was a house fire down the street from me. I went down to look just as a man with his arm around a sobbing boy of about 10yrs. old was walking toward me. He was telling the kid, “Just tell the truth and everything will be o.k.” The kid must’ve had the whole world on his shoulders.


25 posted on 10/30/2007 11:13:31 PM PDT by WSGilcrest (I'm beginning to realize I don't realize what I'm saying.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I think the kid probably discovered fire when he and dad had that little talk out back of the blackened woodshed.
I was thinking of the original discovery of fire. I can imagine a cave father being irate at having to find a new cave.
26 posted on 10/30/2007 11:13:37 PM PDT by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
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To: Santa Fe_Conservative

Where’s the torches and pitchforks gang calling for the kid’s beheading?


27 posted on 10/30/2007 11:14:10 PM PDT by wardaddy (This country is being destroyed by folks who could have never created it.)
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To: Hi Heels

I’ve often wondered how certain kids survive childhood. My eldest comes to mind...

But, he’s now a good husband, a proud Dad twice over, and a solid soldier in the U.S. Army.

For all the stuff he broke, some of it other people’s, and quite expensive, and for the couple of times he danged near killed himself, I guess it could have been worse. My heart goes out to all the families affected by this horrific tragedy.


28 posted on 10/30/2007 11:15:11 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: Santa Fe_Conservative

But the MSM said GLOBAL WARMING caused the fires!! I expect a full retraction and public apology from them!

(need I say sarc?)


29 posted on 10/30/2007 11:15:34 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Hi Heels

LOL, I hear ya. We had weapons leaning in the corner near the front door. I wouldn’t have touched one of those for anything. My grandfather was an honery old cuss, and he would have lit my backside on fire for sure.


30 posted on 10/30/2007 11:15:55 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We yen to be numba one. We find Crintons to be vewy good people. Worth every penny.)
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To: DogandPonyShow

Oy. This is why “regulation” is first step in discipline. If the children can’t get them (matches) , they cant make trouble. Especially at 4 years of age.


31 posted on 10/30/2007 11:16:52 PM PDT by bbruit
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To: 21stCenturyFreeThinker
That’s funny. For some reason I didn’t catch your drift on that. Good call.

I can envision a bunch of different scenarios, some funny, some not so funny.

32 posted on 10/30/2007 11:18:25 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We yen to be numba one. We find Crintons to be vewy good people. Worth every penny.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Oh, my dad was NRA champion. We were all taught to shoot. My 7 year old sister accidently pointed a pistol at me her first time out after careful instruction. She has yet to touch a weapon. Period.

Now, let me tell you about her cooking. Dad hated her cooking. So when we all gathered for the holidays, I had to cook. We went out one day to go shooting. When we came back, my sister had cooked these beautiful 1" thick pork chops without benefit of spices, coverage, etc. They were hard as rocks. My dad was furious. Threw her out of the kitchen. Made me cook an "emergency" pot of spaghetti, which I did. Next morning, we went target shooting. Skeet. First up, me. PULL. Across the back forty flies two 1" pork chops. I was laughing so hard I nearly missed them. He's yellin' "shoot shoot damnit or I'll kick your a$$". I loved my dad. He was great.

33 posted on 10/30/2007 11:29:15 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult)
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To: microgood
Mistrust those in whom the urge to punish is strong.

you could not have said it better.

34 posted on 10/30/2007 11:29:36 PM PDT by vikzilla
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To: DogandPonyShow

My son was 7 when he found some wooden matches in his dad’s work clothes pocket in the laundry basket that had survived the wash. He struck one in his bedroom to see if it would still light, and set the place on fire when it burned his fingers and he dropped it near the bedspread.

He then went outside, filled his red wagon with water, and started down the hall to put it out. A squeaky wheel gave him away, and fortunately we got the fire out before the rest of the house went up. The fire Dept. then showed up and really messed up the place with axes and their water hoses.

I know he never forgot it, and we never had another problem with him and matches. But there was the time he got his arm stuck in the claw machine at the market when it broke and wouldn’t return his quarter, and they called the fire Dept. to get him loose, but that’s another story...


35 posted on 10/30/2007 11:35:20 PM PDT by Mjaye (Some folks close their mouth only long enough to change feet.)
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To: microgood

That is just lovely.


36 posted on 10/30/2007 11:37:20 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult)
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To: BlessedBeGod
Sure you can understand not releasing his name. So can I.

What a remarable thing it would be if his name happened to be ''Hispanic'', eh?

37 posted on 10/30/2007 11:39:28 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: Hi Heels

Your poor sister.

One of my best friends can’t cook an egg without it turning black. (But, she has the sweetest heart in the world.)

I hope your sister can afford to eat out or have meals delivered.


38 posted on 10/30/2007 11:40:56 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: SAJ

I spend nearly every third weekend protesting the Home Depot lounges and assorted other hideouts that plague LA County. There is 70 Billion dollars a year spent by our government to house, heal and educate illegals and I think that’s awful. In fact, I will vote for the sole candidate that addresses this. However, I think this post is a bit on the over the top side. Just my opinion, but not all hispanics are illegal. And not all hispanics are neglectful parents. Just sayin’.


39 posted on 10/30/2007 11:48:46 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult)
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To: DoughtyOne

Very admirable job. Well done.


40 posted on 10/30/2007 11:48:57 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: DoughtyOne

Very admirable job. Well done.


41 posted on 10/30/2007 11:49:24 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: yorkie
she's an RN. They eat out. She's just DETERMINEd to cook Thanksgiving every year. I've heard horror stories. Smoked stuffed turkey with oysters, pumpkin pie with cayenne by accident instead of nutmeg.....

We go out of town.

42 posted on 10/30/2007 11:50:56 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult)
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To: DoughtyOne

My God, how about teaching children right from wrong and consequences. You cannot hide everything from a child or they will not be able to function in the adult world once they reach it.

Stop dumbing down our children, make them functional.


43 posted on 10/30/2007 11:51:57 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit ((Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding))
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To: DogandPonyShow

When I was a child I set a National Forest on fire by building a “camp fire” in a rotted hollow in a dead log, a really big dead log. I thought I had put it out, but it was smoldering and that was something I had no clue about at the time. It was a small fire when it was discovered and only consumed a few acres before it could be put out. Lucky for me it was not dry or windy when I set this fire. I think I was about 8 or so, and other than lectures from Forest Rangers and being yelled at by my parents no other actions were taken. At one time we really did believe children were children in this country and did not get over board when things like this happened.

It really seems odd to me that in the past everyone was expected to take responsiblity for their actions, and now they are not really- excuses abound. Yet now when fires are accidentally set or set by children many think someone should pay. I do of course think in a case of actual arson someone SHOULD pay.


44 posted on 10/31/2007 12:00:36 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: ican'tbelieveit
Stop dumbing down our children, make them functional.
Some risks are just to expensive to take a chance on. Fires in a place like Southern California are one of them.

There's a reason young children can't drive cars, not that they don't try it sometimes. There's no shortage of mistakes for them to make. They should be protected from the worst of them.

45 posted on 10/31/2007 12:04:00 AM PDT by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
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At one time we really did believe children were children in this country and did not get over board when things like this happened.
Good post. Children are gifts from God and should be treated as such. Imperfect as they are. That goes for the Hispanic ones as well.
46 posted on 10/31/2007 12:10:46 AM PDT by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
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To: Hi Heels

LOL, I guess you learned the hard way.

I do feel for your sister though. I’m sure she was trying to please her dad.


47 posted on 10/31/2007 12:11:08 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (We yen to be numba one. We find Crintons to be vewy good people. Worth every penny.)
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To: Cobra64

Thanks. You do what you can and hope for the best.


48 posted on 10/31/2007 12:12:26 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (We yen to be numba one. We find Crintons to be vewy good people. Worth every penny.)
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To: 21stCenturyFreeThinker

Not teaching a child to function in society and around dangers is the greatest risk of all; one that is too great to take a chance on.

Of course, maybe you need someone to raise your children for you, like a village... or Hillary.

But, personally, I raised my kids to know that there are rights and wrongs, and when you commit a wrong, you will pay, usually pretty swiftly with a swat to the hand.


49 posted on 10/31/2007 12:13:27 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit ((Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding))
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To: ican'tbelieveit

You teach your kids right and wrong with things that don’t cause fatalities. I don’t have a problem with teaching right from wrong, but some things you don’t mess around with.


50 posted on 10/31/2007 12:14:04 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (We yen to be numba one. We find Crintons to be vewy good people. Worth every penny.)
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