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Mike Huckabee Under Fire for Referring to Abortion Deaths as "Holocaust"
Life News ^ | 10/31/07 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 10/31/2007 4:02:09 PM PDT by wagglebee

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee is under fire from Jewish groups after a speech he gave at a pro-life event the weekend before last. In the address to the Family Research Council, the former Arkansas governor referred to the deaths of 45-50 million unborn children from abortion as a holocaust.

In the speech, he linked the issues of abortion and illegal immigration -- saying the destruction of tens of millions of unborn children has left the U.S. with a worker shortage.

“Sometimes we talk about why we’re importing so many people in our work force,” Huckabee said in the speech.

“It might be for the last 35 years, we have aborted more than a million people who would have been in our work force had we not had the holocaust of liberalized abortion under a flawed Supreme Court ruling in 1973," he explained.

Following the speech, the Anti-Defamation League called on presidential candidate Mike Huckabee to refrain from invoking Holocaust imagery in future comments on the campaign trail.

In a letter to Governor Huckabee, ADL National Director Abraham H. Foxman said: "The Holocaust was a unique tragedy in human history."

"We find the use of analogies to the Holocaust in other contexts deeply painful, disturbing and offensive," Foxman said. "Such analogies can only trivialize and diminish the horror, and cause further pain to Holocaust survivors and to those alive today who lost friends and loved ones."

But pro-life advocates have now come to Huckabee's defense saying that his use of the term was not meant as an offense to Jewish people but to underscore the equal tragedy in the destruction of human life.

Kristi Hamrick, a spokeswoman for the Campaign for Working Families, told The Jewish Daily Forward, “I’m surprised that it’s considered controversial when that is a common reference."

“Among pro-lifers, both events are seen as tragic, but the death toll now from abortion is between 40 and 50 million in the United States since 1973," Hamrick explained. "Now that’s a huge number of people who are dead and gone.”

Asked if he approved of Huckabee’s use of the word “holocaust,” Marvin Olasky, a conservative columnist and onetime Bush adviser, told the newspaper, he believed the word was “objectively” accurate.

Olasky said Huckabee used the term “honestly and respectfully" but he is generally “subjectively uncomfortable” with the word’s adoption by those who oppose legalized abortion.

Huckabee has been picking up more support lately in the polls, in part because some of the pro-life advocates who had been in Sam Brownback's camp shifted to him.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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If murdering over 3500 people a day for over three and a half decades isn't a holocaust I don't know what is.
1 posted on 10/31/2007 4:02:11 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 10/31/2007 4:02:42 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 10/31/2007 4:03:15 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

He shouldn’t worry. More people will vote for him for that position than will vote against him. I never understand why the Jewish community votes overwhelmingly Democrat.


4 posted on 10/31/2007 4:04:58 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: wagglebee
It's an American Holocaust. It shames us all.
5 posted on 10/31/2007 4:05:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: wagglebee
If murdering over 3500 people a day for over three and a half decades isn't a holocaust I don't know what is.

Its an understatement....

6 posted on 10/31/2007 4:06:18 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: wagglebee

Of all the reasons to put fire on the Huckster, THIS is not it.

Abortion in America has killed so many people I’ve lost count.


7 posted on 10/31/2007 4:07:17 PM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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To: Don Corleone

Don’t call it a Genocide. We’ll get the Turks mad at us.


8 posted on 10/31/2007 4:07:45 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: wagglebee

“Holocaust”

As horrible as the Holocaust was, it pales in comparison to the 50 million plus babies murdered in America since Roe v. Wade.


9 posted on 10/31/2007 4:09:23 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: wagglebee

It is especially ridiculous when one considers that the term ‘Holocaust’ was not coined for what the Nazis did. It is from the Bible and refers to the pagan practice of sacrificing children to their gods! Strictly speaking it is more appropriate for the abortion holocaust than for the Nazi holocaust.


10 posted on 10/31/2007 4:12:06 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Ron Paul Criminality: http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/10/paul_bot)
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To: wagglebee

He’s absolutely right. If we actually had all those aborted children with us now, we wouldn’t have a thing to worry about from the Muslims. In fact, even immigration wouldn’t be a problem, because we would have enough people to do our jobs.

Under-population is a far greater problem for a country than overpopulation, and in fact was probably one of the things that led to the fall of Rome.


11 posted on 10/31/2007 4:12:31 PM PDT by livius
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To: wagglebee

Have to say I agree with Huckabee on this. The deliberate extermination of millions of people qualifies as a holocaust in my book. I don’t think that fact diminishes the Jewish experience during WWII at all.


12 posted on 10/31/2007 4:12:36 PM PDT by ODC-GIRL (Proudly serving our Nation's Homeland Defense)
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To: wagglebee
Your comment pretty much sums it up...literally. 3500 unborn children/day X 365 days/year x 35 years = >44,000,000 pretty much as many as were killed in WWII including the Jews in death camps, and the number killed by Stalin.

Or another way of expressing it, more thatn 7 times the number of Jews killed during the Holocaust.
13 posted on 10/31/2007 4:12:58 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Liberals love "McCarthism," they just believe he was targeting the wrong side.)
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To: wagglebee

Jews don’t own the word “holocaust”.

Nobody does.

Back off my First Amendment rights, or try to back up the claim with force, because whining means nothing to me.


14 posted on 10/31/2007 4:15:50 PM PDT by jeffers
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To: Sudetenland

And nominating Rudy is a vote for continuing the holocaust. No thank you. Rudy needs to be flushed from the Republican party, before he flushes it.


15 posted on 10/31/2007 4:17:16 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Sudetenland

Actually, there has been about a 20% drop in abortion since the early 1990s (I have a feeling that women born in the late 1960s and early 1970s began realizing how lucky they had been and wanted to extend the same gift of life to the next generation), so the true number very close to 50 MILLION (in fact it will probably hit 50 million early next year, right around the 35th anniversary of Roe).

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/abortionstats.html


16 posted on 10/31/2007 4:18:34 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: jeffers

The more Orthodox Jews generally prefer to call it Shoah.


17 posted on 10/31/2007 4:19:33 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: neodad
"I never understand why the Jewish community votes overwhelmingly Democrat."

Me neither. One of the enduring mysteries.

18 posted on 10/31/2007 4:20:43 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: wagglebee

btt


19 posted on 10/31/2007 4:21:44 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: jeffers

Jews don’t own the word “holocaust”.

Yes they do.
And if you deny it, you’re an anti-semitic nazi!


20 posted on 10/31/2007 4:22:36 PM PDT by djf (Send Fred some bread! Not a whole loaf, a slice or two will do!)
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To: livius
In fact, even immigration wouldn’t be a problem, because we would have enough people to do our jobs.

The nearly 50 MILLION future TAXPAYERS we killed are the reason Social Security is about to collapse.

From a purely socioeconomic and demographic standpoint, deciding to murder a generation less than a decade after the biggest population boom in world history was a recipe for disaster.

21 posted on 10/31/2007 4:23:14 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jim Robinson

This attack is wholly unreasonable and I have no reason to criticize Huckabee on this.
This on the other hand, seems pretty “darning”:
language warning for the rest of the site.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/245152.php


22 posted on 10/31/2007 4:24:51 PM PDT by Uriah_lost ("I don't apologize for the United States of America," -Fred D Thompson)
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To: wagglebee
Huckabee is correct, both objectively and subjectively.

We have passed the point of absudity when Abe takes offense at the characterization of the murder of 50 million babies or so as a holocaust.

Which is why I no longer take Abe Foxman seriously at all.

23 posted on 10/31/2007 4:28:05 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Jim Robinson
And nominating Rudy is a vote for continuing the holocaust.

Not to mention sticking We the People with the bill for it.

24 posted on 10/31/2007 4:30:50 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Has somebody patented and trademarked and copyrighted the term ‘Holocaust’? It’s a word, was a word before, and cannot be branded although perfectly good words have been so denatured before and will be again.


25 posted on 10/31/2007 4:30:59 PM PDT by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: wagglebee

I have absolutely no problem with calling a horse a horse.

mrs


26 posted on 10/31/2007 4:31:17 PM PDT by proudmilitarymrs (It's not immigration, it's an invasion!)
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To: wagglebee
If murdering over 3500 people a day for over three and a half decades isn't a holocaust I don't know what is.

BTTT

27 posted on 10/31/2007 4:33:23 PM PDT by A message
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To: proudmilitarymrs

Nothing irritates these people as much as the truth.


28 posted on 10/31/2007 4:36:43 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

It’s a Greek word and does not appear in the KJV. It might appear in the Septuagint since that was in Greek, and might appear in the NT Greek versions.


29 posted on 10/31/2007 4:36:44 PM PDT by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: wagglebee

Murdering babies. What would anyone else call it?????


30 posted on 10/31/2007 4:36:48 PM PDT by cubreporter ( Rush has done more for this country than any other politician ever! He's the man!!!!)
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To: wagglebee
What else could it be called?
31 posted on 10/31/2007 4:37:24 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Alouette

Sorry, I meant to ping you.


32 posted on 10/31/2007 4:39:03 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Holocaust has transformed as a word these days, so has the word racism.

But, the original meaning is to sacrifice by fire.

33 posted on 10/31/2007 4:45:45 PM PDT by BGHater (Lead. The MSG for the 21st Century.)
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To: wagglebee
Since 1973 we have aborted nearly as many children as Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot killed in total. The Holocaust in Germany pales in comparison. The key difference is that abortion is an equal opportunity killer. It isn't focused on any particular racial, ethnic or religious group.
34 posted on 10/31/2007 4:46:35 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: wagglebee

Foxman is an embarrassment to Jews who have better things to do than spend their days trolling for slights.

The Holocaust is a term with specific meaning. The word “holocaust” is generic, and Huck crossed no line by using it. Huck certainly did not offend me, and I am as Jewish as Foxman.


35 posted on 10/31/2007 4:53:20 PM PDT by freespirited (I'm voting for the GOP nominee.)
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To: Myrddin

By the end of next week, more Americans will have died in abortuaries in 2007 than have died in every American war COMBINED.


36 posted on 10/31/2007 4:53:50 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
If murdering over 3500 people a day for over three and a half decades isn't a holocaust I don't know what is.

Sounds like the shoe fits.

I don't recall Foxman having a trademark for use of the word.

"We find the use of analogies to the Holocaust in other contexts deeply painful, disturbing and offensive," Foxman said. "Such analogies can only trivialize and diminish the horror, and cause further pain to Holocaust survivors and to those alive today who lost friends and loved ones."

Foxman should count his lucky stars that there are people who find a pattern of dehumanizing people, subsequently creating an industry of death, killing people on a mass scale and finally using what is left of the corpses for furthering dehumanization (think lampshades made from the skins of Jews).

37 posted on 10/31/2007 4:58:55 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Foxman should count his lucky stars that there are people who find a pattern of dehumanizing people, subsequently creating an industry of death, killing people on a mass scale and finally using what is left of the corpses for furthering dehumanization (think lampshades made from the skins of Jews).

Very true and it's worth noting that embryonic stem cell research on the corpses of slaughtered infants is just as macabre and inhumane as Dr. Mengele's gruesome experiments.

38 posted on 10/31/2007 5:03:33 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Very true and it's worth noting that embryonic stem cell research on the corpses of slaughtered infants is just as macabre and inhumane as Dr. Mengele's gruesome experiments.

I knew you would make the connection.

39 posted on 10/31/2007 5:06:59 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: wagglebee

And where exactly is he incorrect???? Millions since 1973. Millions more to come. What a waste.


40 posted on 10/31/2007 5:34:58 PM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: wagglebee

Abortion is the Holocaust of an entire generation.


41 posted on 10/31/2007 5:45:58 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: cubreporter

You are So Right! God Bless you. I have seen first hand the mass murder that Saddam was guilty of in Iraq but that pales to the infantacide our system is currently guilty of. God help us.


42 posted on 10/31/2007 6:11:31 PM PDT by jesseam (Been there and done that!)
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To: RightWhale
Yes, it is Greek, and related forms occur in the Septuagint.

Greek holos means "whole" or "entire." Greek kaiein means "to light," "to set on fire," "to burn up," or "to burn." Kaustos means "burnt" or "red-hot."

A number of words combining the two roots (more often without the s before the t) are found in pagan authors at least as early as Xenophon, as well as in the Septuagint and in Josephus.

In Exodus 10.25, Moses tells Pharaoh "Thou must give us also sacrifices and burnt offerings, that we may sacrifice unto the Lord our God"--the Greek word for "burnt offerings" is holokautomata.

Leviticus 6 lays down the law for burnt offerings. For example, at 6.23 (6.16 LXX) it says "for every meat offering for the priest shall be wholly burnt; it shall not be eaten"--the Greek for "wholly burnt" is holokautos.

43 posted on 10/31/2007 6:20:08 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Petronski

Somewhere around 45 million little babies murdered since Roe v Wade was approved by the Supremes. Oh, and Hitlery is fully in favor of these murders and just said so again. Think of her in the WH again! GAG!


44 posted on 10/31/2007 6:20:51 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: wagglebee

Abortion can be compared to slavery, the Holocaust, and genocide. Each of these things discriminated/discriminate against a particular group of people for arbitrary reasons. Slavery discriminated based on skin color, the Holocaust discriminated on faith, and genocide dicriminates people based on the national, ethnical, racial, or religious group people belong to. The unborn are discriminated against and declared not worthy of life because of their size and location.


45 posted on 10/31/2007 6:22:23 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Duncan Hunter 2008 - Protecting and Restoring America)
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To: wagglebee

The response form the ADL illustrates Ann Coulter’s point in her new column exactly.

And no, Mr. Foxman, the Holocaust was not a unique event in human history. It is one of many Holocausts, some known and many unknown, as long as man as been on the earth.

I surprised Mr. Foxman has trademarked “The Holocaust”TM.

And yes, 55 million children eradicated in 35 years come January is one hell of a pile of blood.

It is a Holocaust in every sense of the word.


46 posted on 10/31/2007 6:26:05 PM PDT by exit82 (I believe Juanita--Hillary enabled Juanita's rapist.)
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To: djf

A holocaust is a mass slaughter, i.e. done “in mass”. Abortions are individual offenses done one at a time, by people with no connection to one another. I think that is what they mean.


47 posted on 10/31/2007 6:30:30 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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B1 Bob Dornan...had the best line, and it sticks with me to the day (although not verbatim), “...I can be right or wrong on a lot of issues, but when I get to the pearly gates, I know I can’t be wrong on abortion.”


48 posted on 10/31/2007 6:32:32 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: neodad
I never understand why the Jewish community votes overwhelmingly Democrat.

The same reason they object to anyone applying the term 'holocaust' to the murdered unborn, they are pro-abortion and don't believe that the fetus is a human life.

49 posted on 10/31/2007 6:33:20 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: wagglebee
This has nothing to do with the sheer number of people killed. For Foxman, it's nothing more than a threat to his continued employment, as well as a bludgeon he uses against those he smears.

I'm Jewish, and I am in 100% agreement with Huckabee on this issue. On the other hand, I don't recall Foxman getting his nose out of joint when others, like Jackson or Sharpton used the exact same term for slavery and Jim Crow, as well as their perceived "racism" today. Though Foxman did get upset when PETA compared the poultry industry to the murder machine that was NAZI Germany... So I guess this does prove that even a broken clock can be right once a day...

Mark

50 posted on 10/31/2007 6:33:27 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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