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Felons buying deer hunting licenses even though they can’t own guns
New Richmond News ^ | 10-31-07

Posted on 10/31/2007 4:47:59 PM PDT by SJackson

At least 77 felons bought Wisconsin deer hunting licenses last year even though it’s illegal for them to ever have guns.

The actual number is probably a lot higher.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel says only one in five hunters allow their names to be released, which means the paper could only check the criminal records of a relative few.

The Department of Natural Resources picks up few of those felons. Only about 20 were caught last year.


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1 posted on 10/31/2007 4:48:00 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson

Maybe they bowhunt? I think a felon can own a bow...........


2 posted on 10/31/2007 4:48:53 PM PDT by Panzerfaust
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To: SJackson

Photoshoot.


3 posted on 10/31/2007 4:49:28 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: SJackson

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4 posted on 10/31/2007 4:51:14 PM PDT by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: SJackson

sounds like a re-sell operation..........


5 posted on 10/31/2007 4:51:59 PM PDT by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: Iowa Granny; Ladysmith; Diana in Wisconsin; JLO; sergeantdave; damncat; phantomworker; joesnuffy; ..
If you'd like to be on or off this Upper Midwest/outdoors/rural list please FR mail me. And ping me is you see articles of interest.

As usual, someone on FR will probably know, but this doesn't smell right to me. I was under the impression that the databases were already connected, and that a felon could no more buy a license than someone who hadn't attended hunting school. Maybe that's only when they set up the initial account with the DNR.

The more serious crime is firearm possession, not the license purchase, if this really is a problem the state can take $500m from somewhere else.

The complete article, turns out I didn't need to excerpt.

At least 77 felons bought Wisconsin deer hunting licenses last year even though it’s illegal for them to ever have guns.

The actual number is probably a lot higher.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel says only one in five hunters allow their names to be released, which means the paper could only check the criminal records of a relative few.

The Department of Natural Resources picks up few of those felons. Only about 20 were caught last year.

At least 600 felons were documented to buy sporting licenses, which may or may not involve the use of guns.

It’s not against the law for felons to get gun-deer licenses, but it is a crime to use them.

Armed robbers and rapists were among those in the woods last year, creating possible tension and maybe violence.

Rep. Terry Musser, R-Black River Falls, agrees. He says he’ll introduce a bill next month to require criminal background checks for the hundreds of thousands who buy deer licenses.

A similar effort failed six years ago when the DNR said it would have cost a half-million dollars just to upgrade the necessary computers.

6 posted on 10/31/2007 4:52:20 PM PDT by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: SJackson

Don’t need firearms to hunt deer, although a license is necessary.


7 posted on 10/31/2007 4:52:31 PM PDT by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: SJackson
"The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel says only one in five hunters allow their names to be released"

I bet that ratio changes now this article's out.

8 posted on 10/31/2007 4:52:46 PM PDT by joebuck
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To: SJackson

hmmm, could they just buy the deertag and then have someone else shoot it.....I mean the tag really is just a harvest tax.


9 posted on 10/31/2007 4:53:36 PM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: SJackson

I think in most states felon can hunt with black powder


10 posted on 10/31/2007 4:54:53 PM PDT by sure_fine (• " not one to over kill the thought process " •)
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To: SJackson

he’ll introduce a bill next month to require criminal background checks for the hundreds of thousands who buy deer licenses.

Why stop there?
There certainly must be criminal fisherman too!
/x


11 posted on 10/31/2007 4:55:26 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Panzerfaust

Some of depends on the state and the level of the felony. Non-violent felons can in some cases use long guns for hunting after a certain amount of time has passed after they serve their term. (I believe in TX it’s 5 yrs after the completion of all the term, parole probation etc.) They must apply to the state for the exception. I am unsure if they can own the guns or just possess them for hunting purposes.

I am going on memory from an obscure reference to the Penal Code when I was in the Academy, so I may be wrong.


12 posted on 10/31/2007 4:56:03 PM PDT by 5Madman2 (There is no such thing as an experienced suicide bomber)
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To: Kakaze
hmmm, could they just buy the deertag and then have someone else shoot it.....I mean the tag really is just a harvest tax.

Unless group hunting, (eye contact, strictly defined in WI), you can't use someone elses tag, they'd both be violators. And felons are barred from purchasing the tag to begin with.

13 posted on 10/31/2007 4:56:26 PM PDT by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: SJackson
They have it backwards. I could understand them revoking the privilege of hunting, not the right of owning a gun. Thats for another thread.
14 posted on 10/31/2007 4:59:42 PM PDT by BGHater (Lead. The MSG for the 21st Century.)
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To: Panzerfaust

Maybe not. Felons on parole or probation are not allowed to have a “weapon”. That includes knives and clubs. Bows could be included.


15 posted on 10/31/2007 5:00:10 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Panzerfaust
Maybe they bowhunt? I think a felon can own a bow...........

That's a different tag, there are two, archery and gun, not interchangeable. I don't know if felons can buy a bow tag in WI.

16 posted on 10/31/2007 5:01:10 PM PDT by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: Kakaze

Should have added that a felon can’t participate in a group hunt, even if an unarmed driver.


17 posted on 10/31/2007 5:02:03 PM PDT by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: RightWhale
Don’t need firearms to hunt deer, although a license is necessary.

A reminder of some old threads.

Good luck--Ancient Spear Weapon OK'd For Deer Hunt in Pennsylvania

Spare deer from spears, state panel urges [Pennsylvania]


18 posted on 10/31/2007 5:03:51 PM PDT by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: BGHater

The way I see it is...if they still can’t be trusted with a firearm after serving their time and paying their debt to society, they should either serve another term or be executed.


19 posted on 10/31/2007 5:04:18 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
I think I follow: Those who are going to commit another felony with a gun will find a way to get one. Those who aren't...

...was it not the case that until 1968(?) that ex-cons could own guns?

20 posted on 10/31/2007 5:10:23 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: SJackson; LibreOuMort
Thanks for the links! I thought that might be an atlatl.

It's hard enough as it is to get near enough to deer to get a clear shot with a rifle, muzzle loader or bow and arrow. Stalking deer, among the spookiest of God's creatures, and getting close enough to toss an atlatl at one is going to prove to be almost impossible.

Not in my front yard! They move away if I throw a few stones at them, but otherwise they keep munching on the roses.

Hmmm... venison, right from the front garden...

And no newly-semi-rural liberal neighbors upset by the sound of gunfire. *\;-)

21 posted on 10/31/2007 5:15:06 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: SJackson

Buying a license contributes to the entire hunting cause. Nothing wrong with buying a license, imo, unless you see some sinister effect. Some of these felons have to be mainstreamed back into civilized society.


22 posted on 10/31/2007 5:22:46 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: sionnsar

Get a large dog...something high strung and wiry and a strong instinct for game...like a german shorthair or a viszla, a coonhound, or mountain cur. Then whenever you see the deer, let the dog out. It’ll chase the deer for about a quarter mile before the deer get bored and decide to lose the dog. Personally, I’m partial to red colored dogs. I’d go for a Viszla, or a redbone coonhound. I currently have a red lab. She loves to chase the deer out of my yard.


23 posted on 10/31/2007 5:36:19 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: tet68

“There certainly must be criminal fisherman too!”

They’ll get my rod when they pry it from my cold, slimey, dead hand!


24 posted on 10/31/2007 5:36:33 PM PDT by Roccus (Someday it'll all make sense.....maybe.)
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To: LibreOuMort
Hmmm... venison, right from the front garden...

Can I put an atlatl on my Christmas list? Not very Scottish, but it beats golf clubs... *\;-)

25 posted on 10/31/2007 5:38:57 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: SJackson
At least 77 felons bought Wisconsin deer hunting licenses last year even though it’s illegal for them to ever have guns.

If they had evil intent then they wouldn't have bought the licenses........

I feel strongly that if anyone has served their time then they should be afforded the same rights they had before they committed their crime. If you want to deny them their rights then you keep them behind bars............

My opinion is based on my neighbor who is the greatest neighbor in the world and one of the nicest guys you would ever meet. He is also a convicted murderer who served his time...........

26 posted on 10/31/2007 5:49:19 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I could be Agent "HT")
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To: SJackson

I think it’s because they know the ranger just checks their license, and doesn’t run anything for wants & warrants.


27 posted on 10/31/2007 5:54:35 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I happen to know a few felons and I believe their rights should be fully restored when their time with “The System” is completed.


28 posted on 10/31/2007 5:54:47 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: SJackson
IMHO there are many different classes of felons.

It should be decided by the Judge and Jury at conviction if the crime would ever exclude them from using a gun for hunting purposes.

In many areas hunting is a big part of mainstream life and shouldn’t be used to exclude a nonviolent person that has payed their debt and is trying to rejoin society.

29 posted on 10/31/2007 5:57:14 PM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: SJackson
...rapists were among those in the woods last year, creating possible tension and maybe violence.

not to mention, ruining the meat.

30 posted on 10/31/2007 5:59:28 PM PDT by kaboom
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To: sure_fine
I think in most states felon can hunt with black powder

And let's not forget bow hunting

31 posted on 10/31/2007 6:02:58 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty)
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To: Beagle8U
In general I'd agree with you. While I'm OK with denying gun ownership to violent felons, maybe forever or for a period of time, they pose a societal risk of violence, many felons don't. Ideally there'd be a review, which many states have, but I understand federally that's been shut down since early in the Clinton years.

Here in Illinois, if you check in for inpatient drug or alcohol rehab, for a month or a day, you lose your gun rights for five years. They can be recovered through an appeal process, but talk about a disincentive for getting treatment.

32 posted on 10/31/2007 6:03:21 PM PDT by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: Panzerfaust

Yep that is true. Whoever posted this should have looked into that. A bow is not considered a firearm.


33 posted on 10/31/2007 6:04:29 PM PDT by lndrvr1972
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To: sure_fine
I think in most states felon can hunt with black powder

Not in Wisconsin, that requires a gun tag.

34 posted on 10/31/2007 6:08:42 PM PDT by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: mamelukesabre

I agree the 2nd ammendment says nothing about being a felon and owning a gun. I admit a convicted felon could mean anything. There are plenty of felonies that are committed that do not involve a firearm. So here is a scenario I just stole several thousands from a retirement fund but no weapons was used am I excempt from owning a firearm?
But if I rob a bank,convenient store yes I should be prohibited from owning one.


35 posted on 10/31/2007 6:10:39 PM PDT by lndrvr1972
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To: SJackson

The point is...anyone can buy a black powder firearm. THere are no background checks. THere is no waiting period. THere is no license or permit required. I think a sixteen year old can purchase a black powder colt navy revolver. They don’t check your reccord. Therefore, if a felon is buying a gun tag for deer and hunting with a black powder firearm, he may or may not be breaking any rules.

If anyone can buy a black powder firearm, shouldn’t anyone be allowed to hunt with black powder? If not, there appears to be a contradiction in the rules of purchase vs the rules of use. Do you agree?


36 posted on 10/31/2007 6:24:11 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: purpleraine
Photoshoot.

No license required.

37 posted on 10/31/2007 6:27:05 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: 5Madman2
Non-violent felons can in some cases use long guns for hunting after a certain amount of time has passed after they serve their term. (I believe in TX it’s 5 yrs after the completion of all the term, parole probation etc.) They must apply to the state for the exception. I am unsure if they can own the guns or just possess them for hunting purposes.

Federal law prohibits them from owning or possessing, regardless of state law.

See NRA Federal Gun Law summary

The following classes of people are ineligible to possess, receive, ship, or transport firearms or ammunition:

* Those convicted of crimes punishable by imprisonment for over one year, except state misdemeanors punishable by two years or less.
* Fugitives from justice.
* Unlawful users of certain depressant, narcotic, or stimulant drugs.
* Those adjudicated as mental defectives or incompetents or those committed to any mental institution.
* Illegal aliens.
* Citizens who have renounced their citizenship.
* Those persons dishonorably discharged from the Armed Forces.
* Persons less than 18 years of age for the purchase of a shotgun or rifle.
* Persons less than 21 years of age for the purchase of a firearm that is other than a shotgun or rifle.
* Persons subject to a court order that restrains such persons from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner.
* Persons convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.

Persons under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for more than one year are ineligible to receive, transport, or ship any firearm or ammunition. Under limited conditions, relief from disability may be obtained from the U.S. Secretary of the Treasury, or through a pardon, expungement, restoration of rights, or setting aside of a conviction.

Note: "punishable by", not "punished by". Actual sentence doesn't matter, only maximum allowable.

38 posted on 10/31/2007 6:38:51 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Beagle8U
In many areas hunting is a big part of mainstream life and shouldn’t be used to exclude a nonviolent person that has payed their debt and is trying to rejoin society.

Gun grabbers don't care about any of that. Most of 'em find hunting abhorrent anyway. They probably think it's a nice side effect of gun grabbing.

39 posted on 10/31/2007 6:41:28 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

I just think that there are felons that wouldn’t be a problem hunting.


40 posted on 10/31/2007 6:47:36 PM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: lndrvr1972
Yep that is true. Whoever posted this should have looked into that. A bow is not considered a firearm.

The same notion is buried in the article. But some states deny "weapons", which a bow is, not just firearms. Don't know about this one. Some also define certain non-firearms to be firearms for the purposes of the law. IIRC some states do that for crossbows for example.

41 posted on 10/31/2007 6:50:00 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: SJackson

Maybe they’re shooting a friend’s gun. Is that legal?


42 posted on 10/31/2007 6:51:49 PM PDT by meyer (Illegal Immigration - The profits are privatized, the costs are socialized.)
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To: SJackson

43 posted on 10/31/2007 6:55:23 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Beagle8U
I just think that there are felons that wouldn’t be a problem hunting.

I agree, although I'd make it all of them after they'd served there full sentence given by judge or jury. Some of that could be on probation of course, but still after they've successfully completed it, rights should be restored, all of them. If a person is so dangerous they can't be trusted with a firearm, they shouldn't be out walking around, and if they are, a law against them having guns is not going to stop them from having them.

However, the feds disagree with both of us.

44 posted on 10/31/2007 6:55:42 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: meyer
Maybe they’re shooting a friend’s gun. Is that legal?

First I'm not a lawyer, but no, to shoot a deer in Wisconsin you have to have a deer tag, which a felon can't purchase. The firearm isn't the issue. Whether a felon can posess a firearm in Wisconsin, I don't know, my guess is he can't.

In Illinois, forget felon, if you don't have an FOID, are a registered firearm owner, pick a firearm up, you've committed a crime in most circumstances, perhaps a felony if a handgun.

45 posted on 10/31/2007 6:57:22 PM PDT by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: meyer
Maybe they’re shooting a friend’s gun. Is that legal?

If they can shoot it without possessing it, I suppose, it would be. But even renting a gun for use only in the particular indoor range renting it to them is interpreted as "possessing" it by our FRiends at the BATFE.

46 posted on 10/31/2007 6:58:09 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato; Beagle8U
I agree, although I'd make it all of them after they'd served there full sentence given by judge or jury. Some of that could be on probation of course, but still after they've successfully completed it, rights should be restored, all of them. If a person is so dangerous they can't be trusted with a firearm, they shouldn't be out walking around, and if they are, a law against them having guns is not going to stop them from having them.

Given recidivism rates, I'd disagree. Serving a couple years for bouncing checks or embezzlement is, imo, quite different than 20 years for attempted murder, in terms of the risks to society. I do think the system should have a process for regaining gun rights, it could be a function of sentencing, but I'm ok with barring a violent criminal from gun ownership. Of course now we bar everyone.

47 posted on 10/31/2007 7:02:10 PM PDT by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: SJackson
I think that is why in my first post on this I said it should be determined by the judge and jury if the crime fit barring all future gun and hunting rights.
48 posted on 10/31/2007 7:10:52 PM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: sionnsar
and getting close enough to toss an atlatl at one

Huh? Ya hold the atlatl, it's the spear that goes downrange...

Unless you are in Australia, then you hold the woomera and launch the spear...

49 posted on 10/31/2007 7:22:21 PM PDT by null and void (First reporter of the great (5.6) San Jose 'quake of '07...)
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To: SJackson
Felons buying deer hunting licenses even though they can’t own guns

Maybe they use tasers instead.

Don't tase me, bro!
50 posted on 10/31/2007 8:09:14 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Pelosi--pissed off Turkey, supported SCHIP, really jerky, and full of sh|t)
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