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Iraqi Islamic Party says, “Al Qaeda is Defeated.” [Yon]
Michael Yon Online ^ | 11/1/2007 | Michael Yon

Posted on 11/01/2007 1:15:48 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush

“Al Qaeda in Iraq is defeated,” according to Sheik Omar Jabouri, spokesman for the Iraqi Islamic Party and a member of the widespread and influential Jabouri Tribe. Speaking through an interpreter at a 31 October meeting at the Iraqi Islamic Party headquarters in downtown Baghdad, Sheik Omar said that al Qaeda had been “defeated mentally, and therefore is defeated physically,” referring to how clear it has become that the terrorist group’s tactics have backfired. Operatives who could once disappear back into the crowd after committing an increasingly atrocious attack no longer find safe haven among the Iraqis who live in the southern part of Baghdad. They are being hunted down and killed. Or, if they are lucky, captured by Americans.

Colonel Ricky Gibbs, the American brigade commander with responsibility for the Rashid District in south Baghdad today told me, “So goes South Baghdad goes Baghdad.” General Petraeus had told me similar things about the importance of South Baghdad. In fact, Rashid is quickly developing into what might be one of the final serious battlegrounds of the war.

During the meeting, another member of the Iraqi Islamic Party said that al Qaeda has changed its strategy now that fomenting civil war between Sunni and Shia has backfired. Al Qaeda has shifted targets, now trying to generate friction between tribes. This time, however, the tribes are onto the game early, and they are not playing.

Sheik Omar, who has gained the respect...

(Excerpt) Read more at michaelyon-online.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaedainiraq; iraq; michaelyon; victory; yon
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1 posted on 11/01/2007 1:15:50 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush
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To: jveritas

ping


2 posted on 11/01/2007 1:16:15 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

We should declare Victory in Iraq soon, and take the fight to Iran already!


3 posted on 11/01/2007 1:19:36 AM PDT by SolidWood ("I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.")
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Yon is awesome as always


4 posted on 11/01/2007 1:19:44 AM PDT by SShultz460
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To: SolidWood
We should declare Victory in Iraq soon, and take the fight to Iran already!

Al Qaeda is wiped, but the Mahdi Army still needs to be closed down.

But then, that does point to Iran.

5 posted on 11/01/2007 1:22:43 AM PDT by Allegra (Greetings from a kinder, gentler Iraq. God bless US and Coalition Forces.)
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To: Allegra

Yes, by Iran I mean also Iranian bots in Iraq. The JaM thugs need the same treatment AQ received.


6 posted on 11/01/2007 1:25:23 AM PDT by SolidWood ("I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.")
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Now that Iraq is in line, it’s time to think about Congress.

Al Qaeda hasn’t been defeated there!

Okay, I’m half kidding...


7 posted on 11/01/2007 1:26:53 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (We yen to be numba one. We find Crintons to be vewy good people. Worth every penny.)
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To: DoughtyOne

>> Congress... Al Qaeda hasn’t been defeated there! Okay, I’m half kidding...

You’re not kidding as much as I wish you were. It’s embarrasing and disgusting that our Congress poses a tougher problem for our servicepeople than the real enemy does.


8 posted on 11/01/2007 2:12:50 AM PDT by Nervous Tick
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To: Nervous Tick

Couldn’t agree more...

Some of those folks are lucky I wasn’t President, because I would have had my Justice Department draw up criminal indictments.


9 posted on 11/01/2007 2:15:14 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: DoughtyOne
"...those folks are lucky I wasn’t President, because I would have had my Justice Department draw up criminal indictments.

Long, long overdue. By overlooking these crimes, we weaken the law. What will it mean for treason then, if treason is acceptable behavior?

It will mean that prosecutions for treason are then always prosecution of acceptable behavior, and always therefore are, at base, poltical.

The ultimate victim of such nonsense is our nation and our civilization.

10 posted on 11/01/2007 2:30:34 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: John Valentine

I agree John. Thank you.


11 posted on 11/01/2007 2:33:55 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: DoughtyOne

The Democrat party and the DBM were always the greatest danger in Iraq...


12 posted on 11/01/2007 2:34:45 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: DoughtyOne

you’d need your AG nominated first


13 posted on 11/01/2007 3:03:54 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: ari-freedom

nominee approved


14 posted on 11/01/2007 3:04:26 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

No doubt about it, President Bush is the first important historical figure of the new millennium.


15 posted on 11/01/2007 3:05:05 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: SolidWood
We should declare Victory in Iraq soon, and take the fight to Iran already!

I believe that Iran will be taken out through an air campaign before President Bush leaves office.

I hope General Petraeus will seal the Iraq-Iran borders before going after JaM and the snake's head, al Sadr that is.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1917509/posts?page=33#33 It's imperative that al Sadr and his lieutenants don't escape to Iran.

When we defeat the JaM, it will signal the end of most of the US military heavy lifting and taking out Iran will quiet the ME almost immediately.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1917509/posts?page=33#33

16 posted on 11/01/2007 4:05:11 AM PDT by melancholy (Beware of Ho Chi Minh's offspring, Ho She Marx , invading the WH.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

This guy is a gem, and 100% reader supported. What a wonderful and invaluable pursuit he’s doing and I hope he gets a big job when he comes home. I just donated $25.


17 posted on 11/01/2007 4:29:29 AM PDT by Uncledave
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Interesting article. I had not read Michael Yon before.

Two comments: (1) It is very encouraging to see Iraqis starting to reject Al Qaeda, taking an active role in pushing them out. I agree with a comment Neal Boortz made that I’ll believe Muslims are serious about opposing terrorism when they are out in the streets tracking down these instigators. So perhaps a ray of hope.

(2) I don’t expect to see this sort of news being printed in the New York Times or broadcast on NPR/BBC types. And we know why it won’t...


18 posted on 11/01/2007 4:29:35 AM PDT by Rickster Norfolk VA
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Interesting report.

I think it was inevitable that they’d turn on the outsiders eventually, mostly Saudis and North Africans.

The bigger question is whether this indicates a genuine pacification among Shi’a and Sunni or if they’re merely clearing away the terrorist middlemen for an upcoming fight between the major tribal/religious factions in Iraq.

I hope they set aside their differences and concentrate on rebuilding Iraq. Its oil wealth, properly exploited, can make a good life for all in this misfounded relic of the British empire.


19 posted on 11/01/2007 4:43:17 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: George W. Bush
The bigger question is whether this indicates a genuine pacification among Shi’a and Sunni or if they’re merely clearing away the terrorist middlemen for an upcoming fight between the major tribal/religious factions in Iraq.

We can play a large part by signaling that we'll protect the Sunni and Kurdish minorities. After winning in Iraq, taking our Iran's Military infrastructure, navy, air force and nukes, the outside threat will diminish, except for working out Kurdish problems with Turkey.

By protecting our new, hopefully not temporary, Sunni allies, there will be no reason for outside interference by Sunni Arab countries (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Golf States, Jordan and Egypt.

The sooner internal peace is established in Iraq, the faster we leave.

20 posted on 11/01/2007 4:59:52 AM PDT by melancholy (Beware of Ho Chi Minh's offspring, Ho She Marx , invading the WH.)
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To: melancholy

Golf —————> Gulf

LOL


21 posted on 11/01/2007 5:00:52 AM PDT by melancholy (Beware of Ho Chi Minh's offspring, Ho She Marx , invading the WH.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

How about that my FRiend, that is the most excellent news indeed :)


22 posted on 11/01/2007 5:12:27 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: ari-freedom; Bahbah; Blood of Tyrants; Boundless; bray; BuffaloJack; Bulldawg Fan; Cementjungle; ...

Yon ping.


23 posted on 11/01/2007 5:17:10 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
It is not defeated. Just ask ANY MARXIST DIMOCRAT and they will tell you WE ARE LOSING. Their pals at Al Qaeda are winning. They know, because Hillary told them so. /sarcasm aflame
24 posted on 11/01/2007 5:19:15 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (The Marxist's Dimocrat Party: Party for and by terrorists, Marxists, Socialists and Homos.)
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To: melancholy
I believe that Iran will be taken out through an air campaign before President Bush leaves office.

I hope General Petraeus will seal the Iraq-Iran borders before going after JaM and the snake's head, al Sadr that is.

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The problem is I'd expect a big Iranian human wave into Iraq as a response to a bombing
25 posted on 11/01/2007 5:26:14 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
I remember when times were really bad in Iraq and the bad guys were active every where. I told some folks that the only way we could win there was for the Iraqi people to finally get fed up with AL Q and the other terrorists and start turning them in. I told them that since AL Q was mostly foreigners that there was no way they could operate from these neighborhoods without the Iraqis knowing who they were.

Well, after thousands of innocent Iraqis have been killed or injured by these terrorists the Iraqis have turned on them and are reporting them and even killing them themselves. Now we can see things turning around and the bad guys are losing. Of course at the time no one believed me. During the Vietnam war the VC hid amongst the populace the same as Al Q is doing but in the case of Iraq the ocean is drying up and there is no place to hide anymore.

26 posted on 11/01/2007 5:31:09 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
"Or, if they are lucky, captured by Americans."

LOL!

27 posted on 11/01/2007 5:33:48 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Rickster Norfolk VA

There are a number of stories on his blog that are must reads. I strongly recommend taking time to browse through.


28 posted on 11/01/2007 5:35:01 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: ducks1944; Ragtime Cowgirl; Alamo-Girl; U S Army EOD; ziggy_dlo; TrueBeliever9; maestro; TEXOKIE; ..

Iraqi Islamic Party says, “Al Qaeda is Defeated.” Michael Yon Bump!


29 posted on 11/01/2007 5:36:23 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: ari-freedom
The problem is I'd expect a big Iranian human wave into Iraq as a response to a bombing

There was none from Iraq, which was subjected to an invasion and years of terrorism, that killed and injured thousands of civilians a month.

With an air campaign that avoids civilian targets and no invasion, I don't think a human tragedy will occur.

If the Mullahs fall, then any and all humanitarian aid will be pouring in from everywhere to prevent any large-scale civilian suffering.

30 posted on 11/01/2007 5:39:42 AM PDT by melancholy (Beware of Ho Chi Minh's offspring, Ho She Marx , invading the WH.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
So much so, that Jabouri tribal leaders have decided they would “kill their own sons” if any aided al Qaeda. Wonder what Yaaawn Kerry thinks of that??

The Surge has Worked and Victory is at Hand in Spite of the Rats.

Pray for W and Our Victorious Freedom Fighters

31 posted on 11/01/2007 5:41:31 AM PDT by bray (Think "Betray U.S." Think Democrat)
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To: melancholy

no I’m talking about an Iranian military response to an air war-they’ll go into iraq in large numbers and mess everything up


32 posted on 11/01/2007 5:44:41 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: George W. Bush
The bigger question is whether this indicates a genuine pacification among Shi’a and Sunni or if they’re merely clearing away the terrorist middlemen for an upcoming fight between the major tribal/religious factions in Iraq.

The fault lines are not really as simple as people have made them to be between Shia, Sunni, and Kurd. I doubt you will see a real fight of significant magnitude. I think people are too consumed with trying to get on with their lives.

33 posted on 11/01/2007 5:55:14 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Uncledave
I think he's planning to head back to Afghanistan. He sees trouble brewing there.

(http://michaelyon-online.com/wp/the-perfect-evil-coming-to-roost.htm)

34 posted on 11/01/2007 5:58:16 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: ari-freedom

This is what the air campaign is for to start with. The Iranian army bases and infrastructure will be wiped out. Any Iranian army units that dare to advance towards Iraq in open desert will be wiped out from the air.

I don’t think that human waves a la the Iran-Iraq war will materialize because most of the Iranians hate the Mullahs. If that happens, however, we’ll get the chance to annihilate the Jihadi part of the population and give them their martyrdom on a lead platter.


35 posted on 11/01/2007 5:59:44 AM PDT by melancholy (Beware of Ho Chi Minh's offspring, Ho She Marx , invading the WH.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
The fault lines are not really as simple as people have made them to be between Shia, Sunni, and Kurd. I doubt you will see a real fight of significant magnitude. I think people are too consumed with trying to get on with their lives.

I agree with you. In addition, in the absence of al Qaeda, al Sadr and other agitators with foreign agendas, it’s highly unlikely to get into a civil war.

36 posted on 11/01/2007 6:03:43 AM PDT by melancholy (Beware of Ho Chi Minh's offspring, Ho She Marx , invading the WH.)
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To: melancholy

you can’t just bomb people from the air with no ground presence. they will constantly try to infiltrate and severely test the border. I don’t think they are that stupid to just line up for our bombs


37 posted on 11/01/2007 6:19:44 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: ari-freedom
The problem is I'd expect a big Iranian human wave into Iraq as a response to a bombing

That might just unite the Iraqis more than anything we could do. I say, let 'em come on over... we have plenty of cluster bomblets.

38 posted on 11/01/2007 6:25:51 AM PDT by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: ari-freedom
I don’t think they are that stupid to just line up for our bombs

They lined up for Saddams army in the 80s.

As I mentioned in an upthread post, we should seal the Iraq-Iran border before we start anything against Iran.

39 posted on 11/01/2007 6:26:41 AM PDT by melancholy (Beware of Ho Chi Minh's offspring, Ho She Marx , invading the WH.)
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To: melancholy

yes it has to be a prereq and changing iran’s regime must be a prereq before leaving iraq.


40 posted on 11/01/2007 6:36:23 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

I guess it’s too late to call quagmire?

Lol


41 posted on 11/01/2007 6:39:37 AM PDT by wastedyears (One Marine vs. 550 consultants. Sounds like good odds to me.)
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To: ari-freedom
"The problem is I'd expect a big Iranian human wave into Iraq as a response to a bombing"

Iran couldn't beat Saddam Hussein's army, and they fought for 10 years (losing 1 million men on each side).

Iran uses the same air defense systems as does Syria...which can't stop Israeli jets from bombing anywhere inside.

Basically, Arab and Persian dictators seem to have egos that can't be matched by their armed forces.

42 posted on 11/01/2007 6:45:59 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Tennessean4Bush; Dog; LS; jveritas
“Al Qaeda in Iraq is defeated,” according to Sheik Omar Jabouri, spokesman for the Iraqi Islamic Party and a member of the widespread and influential Jabouri Tribe."

Al Qaeda is broken, and not just in Iraq. Al Qaeda can't strike Israel...can't hit the U.S. again...can't do squat in Egypt...lost Somalia...lost Afghanistan...lost Lebanon...lost Liberia...lost Libya and its WMD programs, etc.

43 posted on 11/01/2007 6:48:18 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: wastedyears
yes it has to be a prereq and changing iran’s regime must be a prereq before leaving iraq.

More or less, now, we're on the same page. LOL

If the regime isn’t axed by some disgruntled generals and the population, it will be powerless for years to come. However, I don't think it'll last that long.

IMO, the Mullah's fall isn't a prerequisite. Remember Iraq, it was intact and "ready" for us when we invaded. It didn't make any difference.

Of course, I'm not saying that we're going to invade Iran to change the Mullah regime. It can stay, impotent and powerless.

44 posted on 11/01/2007 6:50:04 AM PDT by melancholy (Beware of Ho Chi Minh's offspring, Ho She Marx , invading the WH.)
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To: Southack

I’m not talking about tanks and planes. Iran knows they can’t beat us there. But they can make Iraq a very nasty place for our troops after a massive infiltration


45 posted on 11/01/2007 6:51:02 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: wastedyears; ari-freedom

I’m sorry, wastedyears, #44 was for ari-freedom. :-)


46 posted on 11/01/2007 6:52:32 AM PDT by melancholy (Beware of Ho Chi Minh's offspring, Ho She Marx , invading the WH.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

“Operatives who could once disappear back into the crowd after committing an increasingly atrocious attack no longer find safe haven among the Iraqis who live in the southern part of Baghdad. They are being hunted down and killed. Or, if they are lucky, captured by Americans.”

A little warning for the elite left wingers in Congress, America and Europe, who have supported the Islamofascist Serial Killers, aka al Qaeda. You may be hunted down and brought to Iraq in the future for your War Crimes.


47 posted on 11/01/2007 6:53:09 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!"- Jim Robinson, Sept, 30, 2007))
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To: melancholy

we invaded iraq. they didn’t fall just because we had a bombing campaign


48 posted on 11/01/2007 6:53:13 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
Al Qaeda hasn't consulted with me on this! It's not been approved by myself or Nanner.


49 posted on 11/01/2007 6:57:05 AM PDT by eyedigress
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To: ari-freedom
we invaded iraq. they didn’t fall just because we had a bombing campaign

I already addressed this in #44, the one you're answering. Powerless regimes are powerless to do anything including ordering their people to commit suicide en masse!

It’s not necessary to invade Iran and/or drop the regime. It’s necessary to de-claw it, though!

50 posted on 11/01/2007 6:59:26 AM PDT by melancholy (Beware of Ho Chi Minh's offspring, Ho She Marx , invading the WH.)
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