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1 posted on 11/01/2007 8:26:07 AM PDT by ventanax5
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The good Doctor never disappoints:

>>In the name of non-discrimination, the French government failed to discriminate properly: and proper discrimination is, or ought to be, practically the whole business of life.<<

How refreshing to hear a scholar state the truth!


2 posted on 11/01/2007 8:55:42 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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An excellent apologia for what is, after all, merely common sense. The notion that congruence implies equivalence is the recourse of the intellectually lazy. For example, Christians and Borneo headhunters both believe in the existence of a spiritual source for their moral behavior. That does not make the two religions (or the behaviors, for that matter) identical. To criticize both on the same basis (as do both Dawkins and Hitchens) is useful rhetorically but useless logically. And without a logical case against religion they have no case at all.

I must gently dissent from Dalrymple's assertion that Iraq is a sideshow compared with the Danish cartoon debacle, although I do concur with him that in the latter both American and European journalistic communities failed their parent societies badly. In fact both are facets of precisely the same challenge, and it is difficult to address militancy in any form as long as it is successful in all its forms. Islamic militancy has failed in Iraq. That single datum has shaken the entire edifice of Islamism just as defeat in the 1967 and 1973 wars put paid to Arab nationalism. One cannot claim an Allah-given sanction for victory from a position of defeat. Iraq will help empower Europe to fight back should its citizens decide to do so.

Some may. It is dismaying but predictable how vulnerable militant secularism has left those for whom it is less an intellectual position and more a substitute religion, to the inroads of self-assured Islamism. The tendency to mis-identify that threat as that of a nascent Christian theocracy is the sign of cowardice and denial - it is in nominally Christian countries that atheist treatises are attaining the rank of best-sellers, after all, and not in Muslim ones. That alone ought to cause "thinking" secularists to, well, think a bit more about lumping religionists together.

As for the non-thinking sort, those are the ones who meet Dalrymple's suggestion that religion plays a part in social cohesion with accusations of theocratic fascism and I'm not entirely certain they're susceptible to reason in the first place. It isn't the Christians or Jews or Buddhists who intend to supplant that with force. The Islamists do.

3 posted on 11/01/2007 9:36:27 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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Here is a link to Dalrymple’s review of the atheist books referred to in this follow-up article. Published in City Journal: “What the New Atheists Don’t See.”

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_4_oh_to_be.html

4 posted on 11/01/2007 10:01:03 AM PDT by mojito
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Thanks for the post.

Agree with him or not, Dalrymple is always worthwhile.

5 posted on 11/01/2007 6:54:12 PM PDT by okie01
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