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The HPV Vaccine: Government Mandates and Parental Rights
Capital Research Center ^ | November 2007 | Jana Erwin

Posted on 11/01/2007 11:02:48 AM PDT by vadum

Parents believe they have the right to decide what medical treatments are best for their children. But state lawmakers think otherwise because of a disease that has become both a feminist and a public health cause celebre. Across America lawmakers want to compel young girls to be inoculated against human papillomavirus (HPV) years before most become sexually active because there is a chance it can cause cervical cancer. Is replacing parental judgment with mandates by lawmakers and courts good for society?......

Legislators in at least 41 states and the District of Columbia have introduced legislation to require, fund or educate the public about the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine. At least 17 states have enacted various HPV measures. The D.C. city council approved an HPV vaccine mandate in April, but council members who took office after the bill was approved are trying to repeal it......

Some conservatives and parents’ rights groups say requiring the vaccine will encourage premarital sex. Moira Gaul of the Family Research Council said her group opposes HPV mandates “because parents have an inherent right to be the primary educator and decision maker regarding their children’s health, we would oppose any measures to legally require vaccination or to coerce parents into authorizing it. Because the cancer causing strains of HPV are not transmitted through casual contact, there is no justification for any vaccination mandate as a condition of public school attendance.”......

State legislatures continue to consider mandatory HPV vaccination bills that intrude on parental rights. Merck’s lobbying efforts are a big part of that campaign. But last February after news reports that Merck was funneling money to an organization called Women in Government (WIG) to serve as the principal advocate for the legislation, the company publicly announced that it would no longer advocate for the mandate......

(Excerpt) Read more at capitalresearch.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: fundedbysoros; gardasil; hpv; mandates; merck; moralabsolutes; opensocietyinstitute; parentalrights; richardhaupt; soros; vd; wig; womeningovernment

1 posted on 11/01/2007 11:02:50 AM PDT by vadum
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To: vadum
There have been deaths from this vaccine. Is that ever discussed?

Will the politicians admit they are in this for the stock they have bought
before forcing it on children without informed consent?

2 posted on 11/01/2007 11:08:42 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: vadum
From the article:

"Among the other donors to WIG are the Annie E. Casey Foundation ($319,001 from 2002 to 2005), the Joyce Foundation ($18,000 in 2005), and the Open Society Institute ($22,809 in 2005), which was created by liberal philanthropist George Soros."



3 posted on 11/01/2007 11:18:05 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*RWVA)
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To: Diogenesis
Here is my Blog Entry on this topic: http://www.naturalfamilyblog.com/archives/001188.html In the fight against cervical cancer, Merck is overwhelmingly winning the war against cancer. Eight girls who were injected with that nasty cocktail of chemicals NEVER have to worry about getting that form of CANCER. Why? Because they are DEAD!!! Anyone checked recently to see how much money Merck has made off the pelvic goldmine around this current vaccine scam? I'm too lazy to go look it up....but I think we can safely guess it is in the hundreds of millions. QUOTE:
"Judicial Watch said it obtained documents from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration under the Freedom of Information Act detailing the new 1,824 cases.
Those cases include as many as eight deaths related to the vaccine, on top of the three deaths reported earlier among 1,637 earlier reports of adverse effects."
It is hard for me to understand, but they are giving this junk to PREGNANT women:
...The flood of adverse reactions during 2007 reported to the FDA through the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, included 347 serious reactions.
"Of the 77 women who received the vaccine while pregnant, 33 experienced side effects ranging from spontaneous abortion to fetal abnormities. Other serious side effects continue to be reported including, paralysis, Bells Palsy, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, and seizures," Judicial Watch said.
And these numbers may not even include all the cases, Judicial Watch said. It filed a lawsuit this week against the FDA for failing to fully respond to its requests for information involving the vaccine.
Specifically Judicial Watch wanted access to correspondence between Merck and the FDA regarding the vaccine, communications between the FDA and GlaxoSmithKline, which is working on a similar vaccine, called Cervarix, and reports by consumers, health professionals and others regarding problems with the HPV vaccine.
When the organization's investigation into the HPV vaccine issue arose, and the first reports starting coming in, Fitton described it as "a catalog of horrors."
One earlier report, No. 275438-1, describes the reaction as coronary artery thrombosis, sudden cardiac death. "Given Gardasil vaccine dose #1 3/12/07. Collapsed and died on 3/26/07… Echocardiogram revealed very enlarged right ventricle, small left ventricle as well as large blood clots within both the right atrium & right ventricle."
Another report noted that the woman was vaccinated and "died of a blood clot 8 hours after getting the Gardasil vaccine."
Officials with the Abstinence Clearinghouse noted in a position paper that groups including the Texas Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, and the American Academy of Environmental Medicine have come out publicly against mandatory vaccination.
"The reasoning of these medical associations is clear. They are not opposed to medical progress, and certainly support all efforts to combat life-threatening diseases. The problem, as these organizations see it, lies in the fact that the drug only went through three and a half years of testing, leaving the medical community somewhat in the dark as to what serious adverse effects might result in the long term," the group said.
"Along with the potential of serious adverse effects is the question of efficacy. There is evidence that after approximately four years, the vaccine's potency significantly declines. The long-term value of the vaccine has yet to be determined; if it wears off within six years, will girls and women need to repeat the battery of injections they originally received?" the organization wondered.
Michigan was the first state to introduce a plan to require the vaccine to be given to young girls, but the proposal failed. Ohio also considered a failed plan in 2006.
Then in 2007, after Merck's aggressive lobbying campaign and contributions to Women in Government, lawmakers in at least 39 states and the District of Columbia worked on sponsoring such plans."
Oh, the wheels of government just roll with the grease from Big Pharma!!! How many young innocent girls will get squashed as that freight train rolls along??? We are at eight....and counting..... Go Merck GO!!! With one of the biggest, most expensive, rollouts in history....this guardasil could easily be called GIRLSweKILL. Hey Politicians....does anybody give a rodents behind that innocent young women are being murdered by yet another bogus pharmaceutical product that they moved heaven and earth to FORCE us parents to give to our children??? The FREE market means that consumers are FREE to purchase those products and services they believe will help and heal children, not kill or permanently maim them with government nannies waiting in the wings to bully them into it. Hey Merck, take you dope and shove it where the sun don't shine. Jenny Hatch
4 posted on 11/01/2007 11:27:17 AM PDT by Jenny Hatch (Mommy Blogger)
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To: Diogenesis
The real issue is that the government is trying to infringe on our parental rights. I for one am getting fed up with these so called politicians with families that scream dysfunctional trying to bypass my rights as a parent to raise my children how I see fit.
5 posted on 11/01/2007 11:31:59 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: vadum; hocndoc

“Because the cancer causing strains of HPV are not transmitted through casual contact, there is no justification for any vaccination mandate as a condition of public school attendance.”

PERIOD.


6 posted on 11/01/2007 11:40:49 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: vadum

Check out this story:

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10167780


7 posted on 11/01/2007 11:44:47 AM PDT by elc
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To: Diogenesis

That’s called bribery. It is a serious felony, but the DOJ refuses to prosecute.


8 posted on 11/01/2007 11:53:03 AM PDT by darkangel82 (And the band played on....)
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To: Jenny Hatch

You do the Natural Family blog? I’ve seen it recommended on several other sites I visit - La Leche, The Babywearer, and MDC.

Very cool. Sorry to read you won’t be doing it anymore. But I’ve it bookmarked now and can at least go back and read some archived stuff.


9 posted on 11/01/2007 12:04:18 PM PDT by elc
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To: Jenny Hatch
"Of the 77 women who received the vaccine while pregnant, 33 experienced side effects ranging from spontaneous abortion to fetal abnormities. Other serious side effects continue to be reported including, paralysis, Bells Palsy, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, and seizures," Judicial Watch said.

According to the Gardasil package insert, vaccination is expressly contraindicated during pregnancy. The manufactur has said all along not to vaccinate pregnant women.

10 posted on 11/01/2007 12:08:10 PM PDT by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: Diogenesis
There have been deaths from this vaccine. Is that ever discussed?

There have been multiple clinical studies of Gardasil published in the peer-reviewed medical literature. They involve many thousands of women. None of them have shown any significant negative side effects. All these stories about deaths, etc. have been anectodal reports in the MSM. None, to my knowledge, have been confirmed.

11 posted on 11/01/2007 12:10:52 PM PDT by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: Diogenesis

VAERS reports related to Gardasil:
“Since the licensure of Gardasil, more than 7 million doses of vaccine have been distributed. As of June 30, 2007, VAERS had received a total of 2531 reports. Nearly 95% of the reports received to date have been classified as non-serious. The number of serious adverse events reported is less then 6% of the total number of reports received. In comparison, the overall average in VAERS for any serious adverse event ranges from 10% - 15%; thus, the percentage of serious reports for Gardasil are less than half of the overall average.”

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/hpv/downloads/hpv-gardasil-gbs.pdf

There have been some adverse reactions, but far fewer than reported for other vaccines. I don’t support manditory vaccination, and obviously this isn’t a good idea for pregnant women. I do think it is safe for the rest of the population. All vaccines and medications have risks, and as cold-hearted as it sounds, there is a level of risk that is considered acceptable. Gardisil is much lower than that level according to the CDC.


12 posted on 11/01/2007 12:17:38 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: elc

That should have it’s own thread.


13 posted on 11/01/2007 12:25:14 PM PDT by VRing (Happiness is a perfect sling bruise.)
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To: ga medic

I’m glad I’m not the only one on these Gardasil threads that cites clinical data, not just MSM scare stories and questionable websites.


14 posted on 11/01/2007 12:38:14 PM PDT by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: EdReform

George Soros? That is all you need to know!


15 posted on 11/01/2007 12:45:00 PM PDT by juliej (Vote GOP!)
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To: Jenny Hatch

And if a booster is required for these 11-15 year olds in 5 years, they will be 16-21. Much more likely to be of accidental childbearing age.
Given the fetal abnormalities, how long will it be before someone brings forth a Gardasil baby?
And the vaccine only protects against the 70% of viruses that cause cervical cancer. If you get cervical cancer after the vaccine, how do you prove its from the 30% they don’t cover or from viral infection before the vaccine (which it doesn’t protect against)?
The vaccine is so limited in scope and duration alone, I wouldn’t give it to my children. The fact that it now kills is a clincher.


16 posted on 11/01/2007 1:00:44 PM PDT by tbw2 (Science fiction with real science - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: juliej

That’s exactly what I thought. That scum bag has his filthy hands into everything.


17 posted on 11/01/2007 1:04:33 PM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*RWVA)
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To: tbw2

It is being pushed on young women in my state.


18 posted on 11/01/2007 1:19:32 PM PDT by juliej (Vote GOP!)
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To: vadum

Virologists first began the study of cervical cancer (CC) in the early 1900’s when an Italian doctor conducted a survey and discovered that CC was more often found among married women than among nuns.

Eager to make a scientific connection between the results of the survey and the disease they quickly postulated that sexual activity was the primary risk factor. Although many sexually transmitted bacteria and protozoans were proposed as causative factors in the disease, it wasn’t until 1966, when virologists, following the isolation of the Epstein-Barr virus
(a strain of the ubiquitous herpes virus), suggested, based on a laboratory study, that a higher percentage of CC patients had previously been infected by the herpes virus than had women without the tumor.

This revelation was quickly followed by the elucidation of both the herpes simplex type 1 virus which causes sores around the mouth; and type 2 which causes sores in the genital area - including the cervix. Virologists quickly proposed that type 2 was the cause of CC,... a supposition that was eventually proven wrong.

Yet this conjecture led to the concept of a “latent” virus which eventually became the key support for the theory that HPV caused CC.

In order to explain how a cervical tumor would appear years after exposure to the herpes simplex type 2 virus, scientists constructed a “new” hypothesis: that is to say that during the primary infection when millions of cells were killed an occasional virus would mistakenly mix with a cell’s DNA (thereby becoming
impotent in the process) mutating the genetic code of a few surviving cells which would eventually grow into a tumor years later.

Unfortunately, for the proponents of this theory, further research demonstrated that approximately 85 % of all American adults have been infected by the herpes virus, many without any outward symptoms,
including millions of women without any hint of CC. Additionally, many women with CC were found to mhave never been infected by the herpes virus.

Even in those women with CC and a history of herpes, the viral fragments left over in the tumor cells were different and inactive indicating that NO particular part of the herpes virus was or could be responsible.

Virologists, however, never allowed these facts to discourage them. In 1983 they proposed a NEW hypothesis; that is to say that the herpes virus was a “hit-and-run” virus which briefly infected the cervix, then mysteriously
vanished never to be seen again. The hypothesis, although ridiculous, actually lasted into the early 1990’s when they quietly retreated from the herpes virus hypothesis altogether.

In 1977, a German herpes virologist, Harald zur Hausen, proposed another virus as the causative factor in the development of CC, the human papilloma virus. He based this on the observation that cervical warts
could occasionally turn into full-fledged cancers.

Utilizing new laboratory techniques in the early 1980’s
zur Hausen was able to isolate small broken left-over pieces of the papilloma virus in the tumor cells of some patients.

However, zur Hausen and his virology colleagues soon discovered that more than one-half of the American adult population (therefore, half of the adult women) had been infected by the virus, but only a very few ever
developed CC. zur Hausen’s theory appeared to violate Koch’s first postulate (Koch’s Laws of Infectious Disease) since at least one-third of all
women with cervical cancer never developed CC. The remaining two-thirds are infected with over a dozen different strains of HPV.

The human papilloma virus tends to infect younger, more sexually active women with an average age of approximately 20 years. CC on the other hand is a disease afflicting older women usually detected between
the ages of 40-70 years. Based on these observations zur Hausen calculated a highly improbable “latency” period of between 20 to 50 years. Additionally, the HPV virus does not reactivate when a tumor appears.

zur Hausen postulated that HPV caused a genetic mutation which eventually produced the tumor. But each leftover piece of the virus caused different irrelevant mutations. In addition, cervical cancer grows from one
single cell which begs the question of why millions of other infected cervical cells never develop into tumors.

HPV causes papillomas (genital warts) on young, sexually active adults. The warts are not malignant and may appear or disappear almost overnight. They typically disappear spontaneously as a result of antiviral immunity.

But cancers, especially solid tumors, usually develop more slowly over time. CC begins as a benign hyperplasia. Most hyperplasias regress and disappear, but occasionally one may develop into a dysplasia, or a larger growth of
abnormal cells. In certain instances a dysplasia may develop into a neoplasia, or cancer. A small percentage of these neoplasias will become malignant and develop into cervical cancer.

It has been proposed that dysplasias may actually encourage the growth of HPV. It is interesting to note that equal numbers of men and women have genital warts, yet penile cancer in men is exceedingly rare.
A cancer virus that infects both men and women equally should produce equal numbers of tumors.

It is thought that the rampant use of oral hormonal contraceptives by females, as well as the documented increase in female smokers, may be factors influencing the development of CC. Oral contraceptives contain
powerful sex steroids that have direct effects upon the function of cervical cells, and may explain the superficial “correlation between CC and the number of sexual contacts a woman has had. Since men do NOT use oral contraceptives it may explain the rarity of penile cancer. Finally, CC is
not contagious.

The study by Merck & Co., Inc., evaluated women between the ages of 9-26 years. Although it is not unheard of that a young woman is diagnosed with CC, it is rare. One would not expect to find women in this age
population developing CC. I am not aware of any valid study which proves conclusively that HPV causes CC.

So, as a parent, if you are worried about your daughter developing genital warts, by all means get the shots. I would not, however, make the assumption at this time that the vaccine will prevent her from eventually developing CC.

Perhaps waiting for further scientific data on efficacy and safety would be prudent. It is, however, the responsibility of each parent to understand and evaluate the risks and rewards with the vaccine.


19 posted on 11/01/2007 1:21:08 PM PDT by Doc Savage (The tree of liberty needs to be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants)
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To: jalisco555

Why look at actual data.

It is clear that George Soros supports this vaccine, to encourage young women to have promiscuous sex. You see, he donated to a foundation, which in turn supports a lobbying group. And, that group has been hired by Merck to solicit congressional support for requiring school age girls to be vaccinated. And, even in the one state that has actually required the vaccination, parents are entitled to opt out of the vaccine. Clearly, George Soros is forcing girls who would otherwise remain virgins to become sexually active or even worse he is killing them./s

Data isn’t nearly this much fun. And, for the record, I don’t support requiring this vaccination for all girls. I did get the vaccination for my daughters though.


20 posted on 11/01/2007 1:21:16 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: Doc Savage

“What causes squamous cells or glandular cells to become abnormal and develop into cancer isn’t clear. However, it’s certain that the sexually transmitted infection called human papillomavirus (HPV) plays a role. Evidence of HPV is found in nearly all cervical cancers. However, HPV is a very common virus and most women with HPV never develop cervical cancer. This means other risk factors, such as your genetic makeup, your environment or your lifestyle choices, also determine whether you’ll develop cervical cancer.”

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cervical-cancer/DS00167/DSECTION=3

HPV has been proven conclusively to cause cervical cancer. Not only has the causal relationship been established, but the strains of the virus which cause the cancer have been identified. The entire process is not entirely understood but HPV produces proteins that interfere with the production of p53, which is a human produced protein which prevents the growth of tumors.


21 posted on 11/01/2007 1:44:09 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: ga medic
Data isn’t nearly this much fun. And, for the record, I don’t support requiring this vaccination for all girls. I did get the vaccination for my daughters though.

I agree with you about the mandate, it's just too sensitive an issue. But I urge everyone with eligible daughters to get vaccinated ( I have sons only). I'm tired of diagnosing cervical cancer.

22 posted on 11/01/2007 1:58:17 PM PDT by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: jalisco555
There are folks around here who are opposed to medical science period and especially vaccines. I have seen no genuine evidence this vaccine is anything except good preventative medicine.

Plenty on these threads say such requirements are a license to be sexually active at a young age. Ridiculous. Sexual activity among teenagers has been fairly consistent at around 50% no matter who's in office. Rapes happen too. I would want to know I'd done what I could to protect my daughter from a (now) easily preventable cancer and STI. It's one part of what a parent does.

Reasoned people know everything carries risk. Some folks will be allergic to a medication like penicillin, some to a food like peanuts.

23 posted on 11/01/2007 1:59:55 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: vadum
Across America lawmakers want to compel young girls to be inoculated against human papillomavirus (HPV) years before most become sexually active because there is a chance it can cause cervical cancer. Is replacing parental judgment with mandates by lawmakers and courts good for society?......

In China they do it all the time, things like 'compelled' abortion and involuntary organ donation. The rights of the state supersede that of the individual, you know. /sarc off

Hillary is running for President in the wrong country. She wants all the rights while we have none. But we'll have "free" health care, right? And with that free health care comes involuntary abortion and organ donation, just to name a few things...

24 posted on 11/01/2007 2:01:42 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Watch and pray.)
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To: newzjunkey

The whole notion that vaccination would encourage teenage sex makes no sense. Awareness of HPV among teens is virtually non-existent. Fear of HPV isn’t stopping anyone from doing anything, so the vaccine should have no effect on behavior.


25 posted on 11/01/2007 2:02:54 PM PDT by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: Doc Savage
It is, however, the responsibility of each parent to understand and evaluate the risks and rewards with the vaccine.

Exactly the point. It should be up to the child's parents whether or not she is vaccinated. The state should keep their nose out of it.

26 posted on 11/01/2007 2:03:05 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
It is, however, the responsibility of each parent to understand and evaluate the risks and rewards with the vaccine.

Exactly the point. It should be up to the child's parents whether or not she is vaccinated. The state should keep their nose out of it.

But the evaluation should be based on the facts, not unsubstantiated scare stories and misinformation.

27 posted on 11/01/2007 2:06:59 PM PDT by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: vadum
Parents believe they have the right to decide what medical treatments are best for their children.

Why on earth do they make this sound as if it was such a bad thing?

Is it possible that you can get HPV from say, a public toilet? Because that is the only justification, in my opinion, for the public at large to be vaccinated against it, if it is that contagious (like measles, chicken pox etc.)

28 posted on 11/01/2007 2:26:12 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Watch and pray.)
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To: newzjunkey

I understand that people have their own personal ideas about medicine and science. I am just amazed at how many of them can’t settle for making their own medical decisions, and try to influence others by making up information that isn’t truthful.

George Soros is despicable, but he isn’t pushing this vaccine, the manufacturer is. HillaryCare is a scary thing, but she isn’t the one suggesting that this vaccine be required in several states. Someone even stated that there isn’t anything that proves HPV even causes cervical cancer???

Cervical cancer is a bad thing. It kills people. There is a need for people to have facts and information on what causes it and how it can be prevented. Conservatives are the ones that make solid decisions based upon factual information. Liberals are the ones that make knee-jerk decisions based upon liberal propaganda. You would never know that from this thread.

I very much appreciate your sane and rational contributions to this thread.


29 posted on 11/01/2007 2:42:09 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: jalisco555

“But the evaluation should be based on the facts, not unsubstantiated scare stories and misinformation.”

Thank you for your comments and for you work with those who have cervical cancer.


30 posted on 11/01/2007 2:43:16 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: ga medic
However, HPV is a very common virus and most women with HPV never develop cervical cancer.

If HPV is a very common virus, what good would a vaccine be to try and prevent it? Am I missing something here?

31 posted on 11/01/2007 5:03:23 PM PDT by Shethink13
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To: Shethink13

HPV is generally transmitted through sexual contact. If vaccinated before you become sexually active, you will not get the virus. This will prevent the occurance of cervical cancer.


32 posted on 11/01/2007 7:24:24 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: Shethink13; ga medic
HPV is a very common virus and most women with HPV never develop cervical cancer.

Now if most, but not all women with cervical cancer had HPV, how is HPV the major contributor ???

Mathmatically it just dont add up. Is there something Im missing in the biology of, it or a combination of factors WITH HPV, or ???

Maybe I just dont have much faith in buerocrats that would trade my daughters health for a few $$$, or in drugs that are so heavily promoted with what appears to be so little long term testing...

33 posted on 11/01/2007 9:32:08 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (A few Rams must look after the sheep 'til the Good Shepherd returns...)
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To: Gilbo_3

There are many other factors involved in cervical cancer, however, if HPV is not present, the cancer will not develope. remnants of HPV are found in almsost all cervical cancer lesions. HPV, like many viruses can remain dormant in the body for many years, and has no noticeable symptoms so it is more difficult to treat than it is to prevent. That is why the vaccination for HPV prevents cervical cancer.

There could definately be more testing, and I can’t argue with distrust of government bureaucrats, but this vaccination is a good thing. The early results are good, and the safety of the vaccine is actually higher than for many other vaccines. It should not be given to pregnant women and should not be mandatory, but I believe it to be safe and effective.


34 posted on 11/02/2007 5:17:06 AM PDT by ga medic
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To: ga medic

thanks for the reply, my girl just turned one last weekend, so Ive got a while to see longer term study...


35 posted on 11/02/2007 5:58:41 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (A few Rams must look after the sheep 'til the Good Shepherd returns...)
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To: ga medic
Your assertion is not correct. Since there are only 12,000 malignancies a year, CC is exceedingly rare. In fact, one of the rarest cancers only exceed by such cancers as esophageal carcinoma. Your "theory" MUST result in massive numbers of cervical carcinomas based merely upon your conclusion of the vast numbers of female HPV victims and your supposed method of disease production.

I assume you also believe that a mere 9 Kilobase, harmless, ubiquitous retrovirus causes 40 separate diseases based on it's ability to kill t-cells (HIV is actually grown in a t-cell culture line - which is immortal!). Believe whatever you want. The mere fact that scientists clearly developed, believed, bought into, and proposed in literature the incorrect fact that the herpes virus caused CC clearly shows that you'll believe anything!

36 posted on 11/02/2007 6:28:06 AM PDT by Doc Savage (The tree of liberty needs to be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants)
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To: elc

Yes, the Natural Family Blog is no more, but I will leave it archived for a while. It was a true labor of love and I wish I had the time to continue.

Its nice to see another natural momma who is a freeper! I’m assuming you are a mom if you go to LLL and MDC.

Take Care!

Jenny


37 posted on 11/02/2007 6:37:24 AM PDT by Jenny Hatch (Mommy Blogger)
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To: Diogenesis

those deaths are their acceptable loss factor.


38 posted on 11/02/2007 6:44:14 AM PDT by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END Welfare)
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To: elc

that baby will have separation issues for most of his life. He also won’t know why he feels that way.

that whole situation is wrong.


39 posted on 11/02/2007 6:48:33 AM PDT by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END Welfare)
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To: Doc Savage

I don’t know what assertion you are saying is not correct. 12,000 malignancies is not a good thing, whether you believe it is rare or not. This represents 12,000 mothers, sisters, wives and friends that are diagnosed with a life threatening disease and must undergo sometimes debilitating chemo and radiation treatments.

HPV is not the only factor in the development of cervical cancer, there are lifestyle, environmental and genetic factors that contribute to the disease. HPV is the common denominator, and it is found in almost all cervical lesions. Without the HPV, the cancer doesn’t develope. That is why the focus on HPV vaccination.

HIV doesn’t have anything to do with this, and I am having a hard time following your logic. I also don’t follow your logic on the herpes virus. So what if some scientist several years ago believed another virus caused cervical cancer. Does that mean that any future scientific research should be disregarded? The link between HPV and cervical cancer is well established, not in one study, but several.

Saying I will believe anything is not true. I don’t believe that you know anything about HPV, or medical research in general.


40 posted on 11/02/2007 6:51:25 AM PDT by ga medic
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To: pray4liberty
"Hillary is running for President in the wrong country. She wants all the rights while we have none. But we'll have "free" health care, right? And with that free health care comes involuntary abortion and organ donation, just to name a few things..." Here is the link to my blog post again, with html this time! Blog Post

Add to that population control and forced sterilizations and abortions, murder of "undesireables" because they are just so medically expensive, Control over a huge portion of the American Economy and you about have the agendas down pat.

Did you see Joseph Farahs editorial at WND yesterday:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58435

QUOTE:

It sounds like the Council on Foreign Relations is pretty gleeful about this demographic crisis to which China is heading. Is this the globalist plan for heading off the China threat? To force nearly a third of the world's population to live under conditions in which they don't even get to choose how many offspring they can raise? To force China's economic dislocation down the road?

On the one hand, Mead says China is making progress toward becoming an upstanding member of the world community. That's one reason we should worry about China becoming hostile. But, on the other hand, it's headed for a demographic apocalypse "thanks" to the one-child population control policies approved by the likes of the Council on Foreign Relations.

Can both these things be true?

We shouldn't worry about China because the Chinese elite are becoming nicer.

And we shouldn't worry about China because the nation is headed for a crisis that will leave it with a surplus of brideless young men in the population and not enough workers to carry the burden of an aging population.

Pardon me if I pause for a moment here and say: I don't get it. I'm a smart guy, and I just don't understand what this genius is talking about. Is he speaking code? Is he sending smoke signals that need to be deciphered by other members of the global ruling elite? Is the L.A. Times op-ed page one of the chosen vehicles of such communication these days?

Of course, apologizing for and excusing the bad behavior of the Chinese is nothing new to the global elitists. David Rockefeller, the founder and inspiration of the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg Group had this to say in 1973 about Mao Tse-tung, the greatest mass killer in world history: "Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose. … The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history."

I believe the elites pushing socialized medicine, world government and all of these vaccines being given to people the world over are laughing all the way to the bank. If they can depopulate the world and have we the people pay for the it, all the while thinking that we are taking these so called "health care products" in the name of being smart and healthy...well you can see the perversity of that.

I see that we have some big pharma shills on this thread too. You people just don't give up do ya?

jalisco555

ga medic

newzjunkey

Come on guys, how much are they paying ya to shill at Free Republic???

Is it fun being a part of the death cult? Does it make you feel powerful? How big is the check you get every month?

Here is my blog post again, with better formatting: (The Drugs I need video is one of the main reasons to go to this post, it is hilarious)

In this Blog Post titled: 8 more DEATHS associated with HPV Vaccine: I said:

In the fight against cervical cancer, Merck is overwhelmingly winning the war against cancer.

Eight girls who were injected with that nasty cocktail of chemicals NEVER have to worry about getting that form of CANCER.

Why?

Because they are DEAD!!!

Anyone checked recently to see how much money Merck has made off the pelvic goldmine around this current vaccine scam? I'm too lazy to go look it up....but I think we can safely guess it is in the hundreds of millions.

QUOTE:

"Judicial Watch said it obtained documents from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration under the Freedom of Information Act detailing the new 1,824 cases.

Those cases include as many as eight deaths related to the vaccine, on top of the three deaths reported earlier among 1,637 earlier reports of adverse effects."

It is hard for me to understand, but they are giving this junk to PREGNANT women:

...The flood of adverse reactions during 2007 reported to the FDA through the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, included 347 serious reactions.

"Of the 77 women who received the vaccine while pregnant, 33 experienced side effects ranging from spontaneous abortion to fetal abnormities. Other serious side effects continue to be reported including, paralysis, Bells Palsy, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, and seizures," Judicial Watch said.

And these numbers may not even include all the cases, Judicial Watch said. It filed a lawsuit this week against the FDA for failing to fully respond to its requests for information involving the vaccine.

Specifically Judicial Watch wanted access to correspondence between Merck and the FDA regarding the vaccine, communications between the FDA and GlaxoSmithKline, which is working on a similar vaccine, called Cervarix, and reports by consumers, health professionals and others regarding problems with the HPV vaccine.

When the organization's investigation into the HPV vaccine issue arose, and the first reports starting coming in, Fitton described it as "a catalog of horrors."

One earlier report, No. 275438-1, describes the reaction as coronary artery thrombosis, sudden cardiac death. "Given Gardasil vaccine dose #1 3/12/07. Collapsed and died on 3/26/07… Echocardiogram revealed very enlarged right ventricle, small left ventricle as well as large blood clots within both the right atrium & right ventricle."

Another report noted that the woman was vaccinated and "died of a blood clot 8 hours after getting the Gardasil vaccine."

Officials with the Abstinence Clearinghouse noted in a position paper that groups including the Texas Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, and the American Academy of Environmental Medicine have come out publicly against mandatory vaccination.

"The reasoning of these medical associations is clear. They are not opposed to medical progress, and certainly support all efforts to combat life-threatening diseases. The problem, as these organizations see it, lies in the fact that the drug only went through three and a half years of testing, leaving the medical community somewhat in the dark as to what serious adverse effects might result in the long term," the group said.

"Along with the potential of serious adverse effects is the question of efficacy. There is evidence that after approximately four years, the vaccine's potency significantly declines. The long-term value of the vaccine has yet to be determined; if it wears off within six years, will girls and women need to repeat the battery of injections they originally received?" the organization wondered.

Michigan was the first state to introduce a plan to require the vaccine to be given to young girls, but the proposal failed. Ohio also considered a failed plan in 2006.

Then in 2007, after Merck's aggressive lobbying campaign and contributions to Women in Government, lawmakers in at least 39 states and the District of Columbia worked on sponsoring such plans."

Oh, the wheels of government just roll with the grease from Big Pharma!!!

How many young innocent girls will get squashed as that freight train rolls along???

We are at eight....and counting.....

Go Merck GO!!!

With one of the biggest, most expensive, rollouts in history....this guardasil could easily be called GIRLSweKILL.

Hey Politicians....does anybody give a rodents behind that innocent young women are being murdered by yet another bogus pharmaceutical product that they moved heaven and earth to FORCE us parents to give to our children???

The FREE market means that consumers are FREE to purchase those products and services they believe will help and heal children, not kill or permanently maim them with government nannies waiting in the wings to bully them into it.

Hey Merck, take you dope and shove it where the sun don't shine.

Jenny Hatch

41 posted on 11/02/2007 7:08:54 AM PDT by Jenny Hatch (Mommy Blogger)
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To: jalisco555

The parents should make the decision based on whatever criteria they choose. It isn’t my business, nor it is yours.


42 posted on 11/02/2007 7:38:52 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
The parents should make the decision based on whatever criteria they choose. It isn’t my business, nor it is yours.

I agree with you about the whole mandate aspect. But I also feel that while people are entitled to their own opinions they aren't entitled to their own facts. And wrong facts usually lead to bad decision making. The quantity of misinformation about Gardasil is just staggering.

43 posted on 11/02/2007 7:52:29 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: Doc Savage
Your assertion is not correct. Since there are only 12,000 malignancies a year, CC is exceedingly rare. In fact, one of the rarest cancers only exceed by such cancers as esophageal carcinoma

Cervical cancer is only rare because of mass Pap smear screening. If we stopped screening the rate of cervical cancer would increase by a factor of 4 or 5. We do 60 million Pap smears a year in the US and of those around 5 million are abnormal. All these abnormal women require some kind of additional follow-up. So five million women need additional testing or treatment to prevent 50,000 cases of cervical cancer. When looked at that way the cost-effectiveness argument in favor of vaccination makes itself. And cost-effectiveness is only one reason to vaccinate.

44 posted on 11/02/2007 7:58:07 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: ga medic
Thank you for your comments and for you work with those who have cervical cancer.

Thank for the kind words. I'm a pathologist with a particular interest in cervical cancer prevention. Ironically, I just diagnosed another case of cervical cancer earlier this morning.

45 posted on 11/02/2007 7:59:52 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: jalisco555
And wrong facts usually lead to bad decision making.

Many times, 'bad decision making' is in the eye of the beholder. And once again, whatever criteria a parent chooses for making a decision about a vaccine, particularly this one which is to partially guard against something not passed through casual contact, is none of our business.

46 posted on 11/02/2007 8:52:39 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: jalisco555
"Thank for the kind words. I'm a pathologist with a particular interest in cervical cancer prevention. Ironically, I just diagnosed another case of cervical cancer earlier this morning."

And then ran to your computer to shill for Merck. How does a busy pathologist find time to be such a powerful druggy voice at free republic?

As I said above, if parents and young girls want to buy your dope, let them, but DO NOT come into my state and tell me and my two teen age daughters that in order to attend school and participate in life (camp, sports, community events) that we must take the risk as a family to submit to that injection full of nasty toxic chemicals and call it "prevention".

And don't you dare tell me I'm a selfish mother. I have been called selfish for not vaccinating for the past 18 years and I'm about sick of it.

I want my childrens bodies and brains to function properly. If I had caved to the pressure to vaccinate my five children during the hey day of the thimerisol scam, who knows how that mercury overload would have affected their minds and bodies. I'm currently watching families implode from the devastation of autism and the various psychiatric disorders tied to vaccines.

Sure, put your dope on the market Merck, but don't be surprised if consumers say No WAY, No HOW are you going to shoot that crap into my kids body.

Watch this video for a complete overview of the whole vaccine scam and its ties to global goals of population control. These people should all be locked up with the keys thrown away.

David Ayoub, Mercury, Autism, and the Global Vaccine Agenda

I hosted this video on my blog too.

And here is my whole autism/mercury catagory link on my blog

Jenny Hatch

WWW.NaturalFamilyBLOG.com

47 posted on 11/02/2007 9:03:29 AM PDT by Jenny Hatch (Mommy Blogger)
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To: Jenny Hatch

“Come on guys, how much are they paying ya to shill at Free Republic??? Is it fun being a part of the death cult? Does it make you feel powerful? How big is the check you get every month?”

You are entitled to your opinions no matter how misinformed they may be. Ironic that you call me part of a death cult. I have spent a good deal of my life, saving lives of others.

If you actually took the time to read my posts, you would find that I have clearly stated several times that I do not support making this vaccination mandatory. Though you seem more interested in screaming your points and misinformation than in actually having a conversation.

I have read the CDCs assessment on the HPV vaccine, talked to several doctors that I work with, and did some research on my own. I believe, based upon all of those things, that this vaccination is safe and effective. I am glad it is available to those who choose to receive it.

I will have to skip your blog. I much prefer scientific evidence to the hysterical ranting of uneducated mothers without any social skill. Have a good day.


48 posted on 11/02/2007 9:32:27 AM PDT by ga medic
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To: Jenny Hatch

You know what? I have no association with Merck whatsoever and resent the implication that I’m an industry shill. In fact, I make a considerable portion of my income from diagnosing abnormal Pap smears and cervical biopsies and stand to potentially lose income if vaccination really takes off. I just really, really hate diagnosing cervical cancer, something I did as recently as this morning. I’ve diagnosed lethal cervical cancer in women as young as 25. And as for the other vaccines, people in this country are just too complacent. They’ve forgotten what it’s like to live with polio, diphtheria, measles and other epidemic diseases. But we’ll relearn what our grandparents had to live with in a hurry if we stop vaccinating.


49 posted on 11/02/2007 9:56:43 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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