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Toll roads can relieve congestion, reduce drive-times, professors say
The Ranger ^ | November 1, 2007 | Regis L. Roberts

Posted on 11/01/2007 5:54:49 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Coin trays in Texas cars may actually get to see the faces of dead presidents.

The much-discussed and controversial Trans-Texas Corridor, or TTC, has breathed life into the debate of toll roads in Texas.

Plans for the Trans-Texas Corridor include TTC-Instate 35, which starts in Laredo and extends north to Gainesville, running along the eastern part of Texas; and Interstate 69/TCC, which has three openings in Laredo, McAllen and Brownsville and follows the coast to Texarkana.

Much of the TTC will be privately operated toll roads, run by the Spanish firm Cintra.

The TTC will not run through San Antonio, and will just skim the eastern edge of Bexar County.

Political science Professor Christy Woodward-Kaupert said of more significance to San Antonio is the proposed toll road for U.S. Highway 281.

A 17-cent per mile toll for two- and three-axle vehicles was proposed by the Alamo Regional Mobility Authority for the stretch of U.S. Highway 281 between Loop 1604 and Marshall Road that will open in 2012.

Kaupert said toll roads have come about as a solution to poor planning.

The state has been under perpetual construction and the population continues to grow faster than what can be sustained with new construction projects, she said.

Economics Professor Cyril Morong said whenever a free service is provided, such as free roads, supply will not be able to keep up with demand.

This translates to congestion, he said, and having people pay to use certain roads that become congested frequently will relieve congestion.

"I don't think it's a result of poor planning, because you always have rush hours," he said.

People are going to be paying for convenience with toll roads, Kaupert said.

Morong said if a person is driving at a time when congestion is not a factor, the driver does not need to take advantage of the toll service.

Many people are against toll roads, Kaupert said, because they think they are paying for roads they already paid for with taxes.

In 1946, according to the Handbook of Texas, a "good-roads constitutional amendment" was passed that appropriated funds for highways from revenue received from gasoline taxes and vehicle registration along with money from the federal government.

What people do not realize, Morong said, is that people are paying for congestion with their time.

Parents may miss a school recital or Little League game because they were sitting in traffic, he said.

The mileage of a driver's car, he said, is also affected because idling lowers efficiency.

People need to weigh the cost of tolls with the cost of their time and the gas they consume, he said.

Students, who generally do not have the spending power of working adults, can feel this impact even more.

The 2006-07 Fact Book for this campus shows that only 39.4 percent of the student population is employed full-time, with 29.6 percent employed part-time and the remaining 30.9 percent not employed.

Faster drive times for students especially could mean the difference between being late for class and showing up on time, he said.

Kaupert said students living in the Loop 1604 and U.S. Highway 281 area, such as the Stone Oak neighborhood where she lives, will be affected the most.

That area, in the 78258 ZIP code, is ranked fifth in the list of population breakdown for fall 2006 in the Fact Book with 776 residents.

For these residents, Kaupert said, the toll would not be as much of a financial burden as for students on the South Side, for instance.

She said one of the benefits of toll roads is that they can contribute to cutting pollution because they help alleviate congestion.

She said Texas has a problem with clean air compliance, which would affect the federal money Texas receives for highways, further exacerbating the state's troubles.

The state has expanded its Metropolitan Statistical Areas to gain more clean air areas, but more needs to be done, she said.

Morong said drivers, especially students who do not have as much disposable income as the general population, would have more of an incentive to do things they should be doing anyway, such as car pooling and using public transportation, to help counter the cost of the tolls.

Toll roads are one solution to congestion.

Kaupert said Grant Anticipation Revenue Vehicle bonds, or GARVEE bonds, of which Gov. Rick Perry is a supporter, may be a good idea to pay for future road projects.

GARVEE bonds, she said, are federal highway funds the state anticipates it will have.

She said the state could track where growth is happening and plan for that.

She said people have been moving outside of Loop 1604 and the state knows this from U.S. Census data.

She said people also need to become more involved in government.

A constitutional election will be conducted Nov. 6 with early voting ending today.

The election includes 16 ballot measures. Information on polling locations can be found on the Secretary of State's Web site at www.sos.state.tx.us, or by calling the Bexar County Elections Department at 335-VOTE (8683); polling stations for Election Day will be announced Saturday.

Although it does not address toll roads, Proposition 12 reads, "The constitutional amendment providing for the issuance of general obligation bonds by the Texas Transportation Commission in an amount not to exceed $5 billion to provide funding for highway improvement projects."

Kaupert said constitutional amendment elections have less than a 10 percent turnout, and that older people usually vote in high numbers.

The Secretary of State's Web site shows that constitutional elections reach more than 10 percent in rare occasions, such as the special November 2005 election that featured Proposition 2, the amendment that defined marriage as being between one man and one woman.

Turnout for that election was 17.97 percent for registered voters and 13.82 percent for the voting age population.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
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1 posted on 11/01/2007 5:54:51 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: TxDOT; 1066AD; 185JHP; Abcdefg; Adrastus; Alamo-Girl; antivenom; AprilfromTexas; B4Ranch; B-Chan; ..

Trans-Texas Corridor PING!

By the way, Cintra is only a certainty for the first 316-mile portion of TTC-35.


2 posted on 11/01/2007 5:55:58 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Repeal the Terrible Two - the 16th and 17th Amendments. Sink LOST! Stop SPP!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

What nutty analogy...toll roads actually increase congestion because most will still use the non-toll road...esp local truck traffic because those vehicles are charged more.

Bunch of nonsense to justify building the NAFTA Superhiway to move cheap Commie Chinese crap through Mexico


3 posted on 11/01/2007 6:00:14 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (FantasyCollegeBlitz.com)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior; Liberty Valance
Exactly. This thing is right down the street from me and even at seventeen cents a mile this will add up rather quickly.

I’d like to know what the Texas Dept of Transportation has been doing with all the money they’ve collected over the years. They probably spent it on hair spray for Governor Good Hair, Rick Perry.

4 posted on 11/01/2007 6:09:15 PM PDT by Brucifer (G. W. Bush "The dog ate my copy of the Constitution.")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I recently drove 35 between the metroplex and San Antonio, for the first time in years. There are chunks of that road that haven’t been improved since the interstate was opened. Other stretches were potholed and rutted. If the Cintra contract goes through, I guess we can write off ever getting 35 brought up to standards, due to the non-compete clauses.
5 posted on 11/01/2007 6:13:10 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
This reminds me of how I've often thought that taking government money out of the university system would improve education by creating accountability and frugality.

......and free up cash for roads.

6 posted on 11/01/2007 6:14:40 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam is a clown car with guns.)
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To: Brucifer
even at seventeen cents a mile this will add up rather quickly.

Trust me. $.17/mile is only the opening rate. Before you know it, the rate will be 2-3 times that.

7 posted on 11/01/2007 6:14:44 PM PDT by umgud (Axis of Propaganda; lib academia, lib media, lib entertainment)
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To: Brucifer
I’d like to know what the Texas Dept of Transportation has been doing with all the money they’ve collected over the years.

You have read Prop 12, haven't you? They want another $5 Billion to play with this year.

8 posted on 11/01/2007 6:18:49 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I should have voted for Kinky


9 posted on 11/01/2007 6:23:47 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: PAR35

TXdot has been spending lord knows what building concrete median walls along I 30, but the road surface is falling apart and lighting is nonexistent.

TXdot sucks


10 posted on 11/01/2007 6:29:03 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: umgud

“The white man will deal fairly with you Indians if you just sign the treaty!”


11 posted on 11/01/2007 6:30:42 PM PDT by relictele
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I drive I-95 in NH. I’m here to tell you the toll booths aren’t exactly speeding traffic along, and that’s a mild understatement.


12 posted on 11/01/2007 6:38:20 PM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

This article makes a very good point about the “cost” of congestion. Compare a highway to an electrical grid. Both of them are used by a large number of people, but the electrical grid has a variable pricing component that requires people to pay more during periods of heavy demand — the rationale being that this pricing arrangment will tend to reduce demand during those periods below what they would be in an “unconstrained” scenario.


13 posted on 11/01/2007 6:44:46 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: mylife

Here, they spent a lot of money to move an entrance ramp about 100 feet north. Of course, with the solid, ‘do not cross’ lines painted on the pavement, now you have to dive across 2 lanes of traffic to get though the short legal gap to get to the ramp.

I’ve come to the conclusion that there isn’t a competent traffic engineering program in Texas.


14 posted on 11/01/2007 6:50:57 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35
I’ve come to the conclusion that there isn’t a competent traffic engineering program in Texas.

I agree 100%

15 posted on 11/01/2007 6:57:31 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Step 1: Toll roads cost cost more, but allow the user to travel quickly due to less congestion.

Step 2: Toll roads discriminate against the poor, so poor people, minorities, children ... are exempted from tolls.

Step 3: Toll roads are as crowded as other highways.

16 posted on 11/01/2007 7:04:00 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’m not reading this article, but it could be that these professors have been hired by the toll road companies?


17 posted on 11/01/2007 7:04:18 PM PDT by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: umgud; Brucifer
Trust me. $.17/mile is only the opening rate. Before you know it, the rate will be 2-3 times that.

I notice the article didn't mention the $1.57 charge to get on or off the toll road. They've mentioned that on the San Antonio news.

It would cost me about $7.50 to go to Church and back again on Sundays. That is just wrong. I would prefer to put that money in the Collection Plate at Church, not at the toll booth.

Somehow Texas is turning into New Jersey.

18 posted on 11/01/2007 7:07:14 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: PAR35
I’ve come to the conclusion that there isn’t a competent traffic engineering program in Texas.
The High-5 interchange in Dallas and virtually all of the major interchange on the Bush tollway are proof of that.

19 posted on 11/01/2007 7:11:59 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: DallasMike
The High-5 interchange in Dallas

Yes, wasn't it so well engineered that they had to repave the connector ramps with blacktop because the concrete kept cracking - the bridges had too much flex, and not enough supports?

Have you driven on Central since they shaved about a foot or 18 inches off of each lane to make the ride more exciting north of LBJ? Of course, the stretch through the Park Cities/MStreet area still has full width lanes and a left side shoulder.

20 posted on 11/01/2007 7:46:52 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Brucifer

I voted for Kinky specifically because of this crap. I wonder what sort of kickbacks Perry and the gang are getting from this?

All things considered, there are worse things... much more expensive things, than having a governor who smokes weed with Willie Nelson. Ya think that cigar of Kinky’s is really a blunt?


21 posted on 11/01/2007 8:02:30 PM PDT by Brucifer (G. W. Bush "The dog ate my copy of the Constitution.")
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To: Theodore R.
I’m not reading this article, but it could be that these professors have been hired by the toll road companies?

It seems so. The comments I see in the article above are mostly pro-toll.

22 posted on 11/02/2007 12:41:52 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

BTTT


23 posted on 11/02/2007 2:55:03 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: OCCASparky
I drive I-95 in NH. I’m here to tell you the toll booths aren’t exactly speeding traffic along, and that’s a mild understatement.

We use the electronic toll tags on most of the toll roads in Texas now. You never slow down at all - just keep driving at 70 MPH.


24 posted on 11/02/2007 6:52:05 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (I've been too busy for FR this weekend, because I did the things I refuse to let the invaders do.)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

How can building more roads increase congestion? Even if no one used the toll road the congestion on existing roads would be unchanged...


25 posted on 11/02/2007 6:57:27 AM PDT by 3Lean
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To: Arrowhead1952
We have the transponders as well. Doesn't matter. Not everyone uses them and the backup created when 100,000 Massholes go through here with a $100 for a $1.50 toll backs things up BOTH ways nearly every weekend.

Plus the fact that a friend of mine lives in Dallas and has the Toll Tag as well. Scary as hell going through there at 70 mph and she wonders why her wheels are screwed and frame is bent on her car...
26 posted on 11/02/2007 7:03:56 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: OCCASparky

The picture of the tool booth above is actually an “artist’s rendering”, not the actual picture. I couldn’t find a good picture, but the ones we use, there is NO slowing down or backups at all.

The lanes are the same width as regular freeway lanes or the lanes leading into and out of the toll roads. Some of the exit toll booths are narrower, but I seldom use those.

The TxTag booths are usually in the middle of the trip and the entrances and exits I use are just like any regular freeway ramp.


27 posted on 11/02/2007 7:16:48 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (I've been too busy for FR this weekend, because I did the things I refuse to let the invaders do.)
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To: PAR35
Have you driven on Central since they shaved about a foot or 18 inches off of each lane to make the ride more exciting north of LBJ?
I don't know who came up with the idea of HOV lanes but they should be taken out and shot.

28 posted on 11/02/2007 7:19:05 AM PDT by DallasMike
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“...run by the Spanish firm Cintra. “

The selling of America.


29 posted on 11/02/2007 7:24:24 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“Kaupert said toll roads have come about as a solution to poor planning.”

And, she said a mouthful! Why couldn’t Tx DOT have looked to the DFW area, particularly the HEB for a model??? Our kids live in Hurst and they don’t have this nightmare.


30 posted on 11/02/2007 7:52:13 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

“Bunch of nonsense”

I totally agree. I hope this *professor* isn’t still teaching our children. What a bunch of mumbo jumbo!


31 posted on 11/02/2007 12:42:08 PM PDT by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
First of all, coming from college professors, this doesn't surprise me. After all, their description of the tolls is a lot like the whole notion of "targeted taxes/tax cuts". It is a way to attempt to control behavior by taxing or otherwise punishing people for doing what they want to do.

Second, I live in NJ, where we have plenty of toll roads and bridges. I can't think of a single instance where tolls reduce congestion. They increase congestion on the roads where there are tolls simply by impeding the flow of traffic, and increase congestion on non-toll roads and bridges because some (especially trucks) avoid the tolls and create congestion elsewhere. In any case, NJ roads are so congested that tolls or no tolls really makes little difference - its all congestion all the time here.

And as someone else pointed out, enjoy the 17 cents a mile rate while you can, because you can be sure that it will double or triple in short order.

32 posted on 11/02/2007 12:49:42 PM PDT by Sicon
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To: Arrowhead1952
“You never slow down at all - just keep driving at 70 MPH.”

You forgot to say what happens when the toll road turns back into free road.......right back into the congestion.

33 posted on 11/02/2007 12:51:25 PM PDT by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Radio Moscow used to be a source of considerable amusement for schoolkids. One day they had an article about the joys of working in the salt mines, and then one about the health benefit of eating connective tissue.


34 posted on 11/02/2007 12:52:25 PM PDT by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: Brucifer

No, they have robbed it to give to the public schools. Everyone pays a toll for these, even though they have no kids.


35 posted on 11/02/2007 1:00:14 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The 183-A toll road, north of Austin is 4.5 miles long and cost $1.50 (without a TexTag) and about 62,000 people use it each day It has reduced the traffic on old 183 through Ceder Park /Leander by 27%.

I guess if it’s worth saving 5 or 10 mins. on your commute (yes, that’s about all the time you save), by all means, pay the money and get out of my damn way.


36 posted on 11/02/2007 1:00:25 PM PDT by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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To: DallasMike

Fifty years ago, the state engineers did the work, Don’t think that it the case any more. Anyway, a smaller problem developed north of Lewisville where they were supposed to building a new bridge connecting 407 and I0-35E. They got ready to build and they discovered that the plans for the east side and the west side did not meet properly.


37 posted on 11/02/2007 1:05:06 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

in addition it causes pollution and wastes gas which adds to global warming. The backups at the toll booths are notorious. You can sit in bumper to bumper traffic leading to the toll booths daily around here. As well it contributes to more accidents because of the jocking for a open toll lane.


38 posted on 11/02/2007 1:13:13 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: Arrowhead1952

those things are great....for tracking you.


39 posted on 11/02/2007 1:15:11 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Talk about a major tax increase. Here is the equivalent of the gas tax for these roads:
Mpg Cents per gal toll tax
10.00 1.70
15.00 2.55
20.00 3.40
25.00 4.25
30.00 5.10
35.00 5.95
40.00 6.80
If you car gets 10mpg these roads cost you 1.7 cents per gallon of gas. If your car gets 40mpg these roads cost you 6.8 cents per gallon of gas. That's on top of the taxes you already pay for these roads.

Do we really want to penalize responsible people who buy a car with good gas mileage? Wouldn't it make more sense to take a few cents a gallon at the pump and take down the toll/tax stations? I'm glad they didn't build the Interstates this way. It would have been a huge economic drag on the entire country.

Rural Texans get get road construction and maintenance in proportion to the amount of gas taxed paid in their area. That's no longer true for urban Texans.

40 posted on 11/02/2007 1:24:21 PM PDT by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
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To: wolfcreek
You forgot to say what happens when the toll road turns back into free road.......right back into the congestion.
The legislature went to extra effort on these toll roads. Once they're payed off they will continue charging tolls so they can build more toll roads. At least the old Dallas-Fort Worth turnpike became free once it was payed off.
41 posted on 11/02/2007 1:40:49 PM PDT by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
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To: wolfcreek
You forgot to say what happens when the toll road turns back into free road.......right back into the congestion.

No kidding. BTW, I noticed you use 183-A. I very seldom use that part, since I have to get off and drop off some riders. Cedar Park is a mess again. TXDOT will not go out there and syncronize the traffic lights. Calling does no good.

42 posted on 11/02/2007 2:05:50 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (I've been too busy for FR this weekend, because I did the things I refuse to let the invaders do.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Yeah, they’re doing all kinds of lovely things to make us use the TRs. I used it last Friday because the *Last Free exit* was backed up a half mile down 183.


43 posted on 11/02/2007 2:12:16 PM PDT by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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To: wolfcreek

I drive a Capital Metro van pool and have to go to that NW park & ride most days. I get off on the Lake Creek exit and cross 620 to get there. From there, I just go thru Cedar Park or on Lakeline since Cap Metro won’t buy TxTags for us.


44 posted on 11/02/2007 2:17:07 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (I've been too busy for FR this weekend, because I did the things I refuse to let the invaders do.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Toll roads are a way to for a government to get revenue and pretend that they are not instituting a tax.

Building a new road -- even a toll road -- can obviously relieve congestion.

There is no way putting toll booths on an existing highway is going to relieve congestion.

45 posted on 11/02/2007 2:21:26 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Dems want to rob from the poor to give to the rich)
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