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The most influential US liberals [Gues who #8 is]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=AB4N5WG3CJ32PQFIQMFSFFOAVCBQ0IV0?xml=/news/exclusions/uselection/nosplit/liberals1-20.xml ^ | 2:18am GMT 02/11/2007

Posted on 11/01/2007 8:52:55 PM PDT by BenLurkin

1. BILL CLINTON Former US president

The 42nd president of the United States is now auditioning for the role of what his Scottish friends term “First Laddie”. Having been impeached for lying about his sexual misdeeds during the Lewinsky scandal, blamed by some for failing to kill Osama bin Laden and having left office in 2001 amid accusations of corruption in granting last-minute pardons, Clinton, 61, has made a remarkable comeback. Perhaps everything Hillary Clinton knows about politics, bar self-discipline, she has learnt from him.

A peerless tactician, huge intellect and natural communicator, Bill Clinton was one of the great retail politicians of the 20th Century. His burning desire to see his wife Hillary elected president has much to do with his own quest for vindication and a fresh platform to make his mark on history. Likely to become a roving ambassador in his wife’s administration, he will push for the Middle East peace that slipped his grasp in 2000. Whether Americans truly want a Clinton restoration will become clearer next year. Either way, Bill Clinton’s influence on the American Left in 2008 will be without equal.

2. AL GORE Environmental campaigner

The former vice-president under Bill Clinton - a hawkish New Democrat senator who won the popular vote in the 2000 presidential election only to lose the White House after a Supreme Court ruling - has undergone a remarkable transformation. His often lonely quest to spread apocalyptic warnings about climate change and the future of the planet has led to an unlikely celebrity, an Oscar for a documentary about him and, this month, the Nobel Peace Prize.

With the deadline for filing for the New Hampshire primary falling today, Gore, 59, appears to have decided not to run for the White House again – a goal set for him by his senator father. While he is unlikely to defeat Hillary Clinton in 2008, his global political influence could potentially exceed even that of a US president. Barack Obama has already said Gore would have a major role in his administration. Mrs Clinton is pushing hard for his endorsement. For any Democrat who wins in 2008, Al Gore will be a figure to reckon with. If a Republican triumphs, Gore will be a likely opponent in 2012.

3. MARK PENN Political strategist

As the chief adviser to Hillary Clinton and global CEO of the public relations firm Burson-Marsteller, Penn has the world at his feet. Pollster and strategist for Bill Clinton’s 1996 re-election campaign, he has worked for the former First Lady since her Senate victory in 2000. He has also advised Bill Gates’s Microsoft and Tony Blair. As a moderate Democrat, he holds the key to whether Mrs Clinton can win centrist voters in a general election or whether she will be the polarising figure some party leaders fear cannot win.

In his recent book “Microtrends: the small forces behind tomorrow’s big changes”, Penn, who identified “Soccer Moms” as a key voting bloc in 1996, explains how he identifies small patterns of behaviour that have a potentially decisive effect in elections. Married to Nancy Jacobson, a top fundraiser and adviser to Evan Bayh, their Georgetown mansion is perhaps Washington’s principal Democratic salon. If Mrs Clinton becomes president, only Penn will have contributed more than her husband to securing the outcome.

4. HILLARY CLINTON Senator for New York

Could this woman be the 44th US president? At the time of writing, she appears the odds-on favourite, although a shrill and defensive debate performance and an unwillingness to commit herself on the smallest of issues betray alarming chinks in her armour. A much-improved campaigner, she is mistress of her brief but is vulnerable when forced to move beyond the familiar and lacks the human touch that was Bill Clinton’s speciality.

Much will rest on the Iowa caucus. Victory there will leave her cruising to the Democratic nomination. Defeat could puncture her bubble of apparent invincibilility. If Mrs Clinton, 60, eventually loses to Barack Obama, her early move to the centre to appeal to independents with a hawkish stance on Iran could go down as the ultimate act of hubris. Having never wielded executive power, she would be one of the most inexperienced presidents ever to enter the White House. A battle-proven veteran of partisan warfare, whether her campaign mettle, rigorous intellect and formidable self-discipline will be enough to be an effective president will be severely tested if she is elected.

5. NANCY PELOSI Speaker of the House of Representatives

An Italian-American from Baltimore born into a legendary Democratic family, Pelosi moved to the West Coast when she married a future multi-millionaire investor and soon began to carve out her own political career. The mother of five and grandmother of six, she became the first female Speaker and is third in line to the presidency after Vice President Dick Cheney.

An unabashed liberal and outspoken critic of the Iraq war, Pelosi, 67, failed to halt the “surge” of troops in Baghdad and Anbar province and has thus far shrunk from cutting off funding for the war. She received widespread criticism for a foray into diplomacy that took her to an audience with President Bashar Assad of Syria despite White House objections. Although she has reached the summit of her ambition, with the Democrats likely to enlarge their House majority in 2008, Pelosi will remain a major power player in Washington.

6. BARACK OBAMA Senator for Illinois and presidential candidate

Burst on to the national scene with a powerful speech at the 2004 Democratic Convention and mounted an audacious bid for the presidency this year after just two years in the Senate. An inspirational figure with two beautifully-written volumes of biography under his belt, Obama still has a chance of becoming America’s first black president. At 46, the comparisons with John F. Kennedy are inevitable and valid – he could become the hope of a generation.

A prodigious fundraiser attracting phenomenal crowds, he still lags behind Hillary Clinton in the polls and has yet to establish himself as a candidate who is seen as both electable and an agent of change. The son of a Kenyan father and a white Kansan mother, his exotic childhood in Hawaii and Indonesia followed by Harvard Law School was later balanced by working as a civil rights lawyer on the mean streets of Chicago. Questions remain over his experience and campaign toughness. Obama’s moment of truth is fast approaching.

7. MICHAEL MOORE Film maker

Moore’s polemical 2002 documentary “Fahrenheit 9/11” sealed his position as the Right’s public enemy number one after previously attacking the gun lobby with his “Bowling for Columbine”. No figure is more likely to send a Right-winger into apoplexy than the university dropout from Flint, Michigan who supported Ralph Nader in the 2000 election.

His newest movie Sicko, released in June, attracted yet more controversy when he took sick Americans to be treated in Cuba but failed to mention human rights abuses on the Caribbean island. Afterwards, the Oscar winning producer and director stated that “there is not religious persecution, there is artistic freedom" and that Cubans were able to "freely speak their minds”. Against globalisation, corporations and war, he is unlikely to be any friend of a President Hillary Clinton.

8. ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER Governor of California

Leaving him off the conservative list was a difficult decision but Schwarzenegger’s defiance of Republican orthodoxy and move towards California liberalism leaves him better placed to influence the liberal sphere. Even unstinting Schwarzenegger support of a Rudy Giuliani general election campaign in California would be unlikely to deliver the state to Republicans. His marriage to Maria Shriver took him into the Kennedy clan.

As an Austrian-born immigrant, the former body builder and action movie star is barred from the presidency, though he has not ruled out a run for the US Senate in 2010 if Barbara Boxer retires. Schwarzenegger’s actions to combat global warming have prompted an alliance with Tony Blair and is likely lead to his working more closely with Al Gore. For any Democrat entering the Oval Office, one of the first calls will be to Schwarzenegger.

9. OPRAH WINFREY Television talk show host

Very possibly the most influential woman in the world, Oprah – her first name is her trademark – has become a huge franchise, including not just her eponymous television show but a radio show, magazine, and book club. In her first real foray into politics, Oprah not only endorsed her friend Barack Obama but held a Hollywood fundraiser for 1,500 in his honour last month.

Quite how the “Big O” or the “O Factor” will play for Obama is unclear. She has lived what she calls the dream of Martin Luther King by rising from poverty in Mississippi to becoming a billionaire and the wealthiest black woman in the world. Her imprimatur has turned obscure authors into best-sellers. Oprah is viewed by millions as a personal friend – as she introduces them to Obama in their living rooms, she might just make the difference.

10. EVAN BAYH Senator for Indiana

Clever, personable and centrist former governor of a red state, Bayh’s 2008 presidential bid showed much promise before he dropped out early on calculating that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were just too strong for him. Now that he has endorsed Mrs Clinton, he is probably in pole position to be her vice-presidential running mate. Fiscally conservative, he implemented the biggest tax cut in Indiana’s history and is an advocate of responsible fatherhood.

Son of Senator Birch Bayh, who ran for the Democratic nomination in 1976 but lost to Jimmy Carter, the younger Bayh, 51, is a potential future White House occupant. Indeed, Bill Clinton once said: “I hope and expect some day I'll be voting for Evan Bayh for President of the United States." If his party continues to move towards the Left, however, he could find himself out of step.

11. JOHN PODESTA President, Centre for American Progress

Bill Clinton’s former chief of staff remains a pivotal player in the Democratic party. Head of the Centre for American Progress, funded by George Soros, A fanatical “X-Files” aficionado, he has not publicly endorsed Hillary Clinton’s presidential bid but his think tank is packed with former Clinton staffers itching to return to the White House in a Hillary Clinton administration.

Battle tested in the trenches of the Clinton-Gingrich wars of the 1990s and a vehement defender of Bill Clinton during the Lewinsky scandal, he is likely to play a major role in any Democratic administration. Released a report detailing how Right-wingers dominate talk radio and calling for restrictive legislation – making him a target of derision from conservatives. If a Democrat wins, his think tank could enjoy the same influence that AEI and Heritage Foundation in the Bush years.

12. MARKOS MOULITSAS ZUNIGA Blogger

Founder and chief author of the website Daily Kos, which receives 20 million unique visitors per month. A former US Army artilleryman and consultant for Howard Dean, Moulitsas, 36, described his job as “the sweetest gig in the world”. It is also one of the most influential in US politics – contributors have included Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, Jimmy Carter, John Kerry, Harry Reid and Cindy Sheehan.

Co-author with Jerome Armstrong (Number 62) of "Crashing the Gate: Netroots, Grassroots, and the Rise of People-Powered Politics", a definitive examination of the internet’s role in transforming politics. This year’s Yearly Kos convention attracted all the main Democratic candidates and Hillary Clinton got a rough ride. Kos’s status as a liberal powerhouse pushing the Democrats towards the Left has been underlined by attacks on it from the likes of Fox’s Bill O’Reilly.

13. RAHM EMANUEL Congressman

The mastermind behind the Democratic capture of the House of Representatives in 2006. Former top staffer in Bill Clinton’s White House, the Chicago congressman’s 2008 endorsement is so influential that Democrats talk of a “Rahm primary” between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Emanuel, 47, has close links to both candidates and appears to be leaning towards Mrs Clinton. A potty-mouthed former ballet dancer, the fourth ranking Democrat in the House, he is a future Speaker of the House at minimum.

Emanuel is passionately pro-Israel and the son of an Irgun member. He was a civilian volunteer on an Israel Defence Forces base in Israel during the Gulf War. His brother Ari Emanuel is a Hollywood super-agent and major Democratic contributor who is backing Obama.

14. JIM WEBB Senator for Virginia

Former US marine officer who was wounded and won a Silver Star and Navy Cross “for extreme heroism” in Vietnam who later became Navy Secretary under Ronald Reagan but resigned after refusing to agree to scale down the fleet. Was a Republican as late as 2000 but later became a vigorous critic of George W Bush, describing the Iraq war as “the greatest strategic blunder in modern memory” in 2004.

A novelist and former journalist, Webb eked out a shock victory in his 2006 Senate race after his opponent George Allen’s campaign imploded when he made insensitive racial remarks. Webb bucks many Democratic orthodoxies, most notably as a strong supporter of gun rights, but became a liberal hero after confronting Bush in the White House over Iraq, where his son is serving as a marine. A possible vice-presidential pick in 2008 but Webb, ever his own man, would not be a natural number two.

15. GEORGE SOROS Billionaire businessman and donor

The speculator who helped bring down communism in Poland and Czechoslovakia and the Bank of England – on Black Wednesday in 1992 - failed to do the same to George W Bush in 2004 after stating the previous year that this was the "central focus of my life". This time around, he is determined that Hillary Clinton will win back the White House for Democrats.

Soros, 78, has given millions from his $11 billion fortune to Democratic-supporting organisations, such as MoveOn.org, the Centre for American Progress and America Coming Together, leading the Republican party to claim he has “purchased the Democratic party”. Certain to be a source of controversy – and hard cash exceeding the $15.5 million he spent last time – once again in the 2008 campaign.

16. ARIANNA HUFFINGTON Blogger

Huffington, 57, describes herself as a "former Right-winger who has evolved into a compassionate and progressive populist" and has been dubbed the “queen of the blogosphere” by CNN. Now a committed Democrat, her blog The Huffington Post, has become a popular and influential source of news and commentary that does much to set the mainstream as well as liberal agenda.

As Arianna Stassinopoulos she was elected president of the Cambridge Union in 1971. She made received a large sum from her divorce from Republican congressman Michael Huffington, after he announced he was bisexual. A ubiquitous socialite and television face, she made a short-lived attempt to compete against Arnold Schwarzenegger for the governorship of California before finding her niche as a blogger.

17. DONNA BRAZILE Democratic strategist

Brazile has worked on every presidential campaign from 1984 to 2000 but is thus far sitting this one out, perhaps waiting to see whether her 2000 boss Al Gore will make a dramatic late entry into the race. That year, she became the first black to run a major presidential campaign. Now a syndicated columnist, author and television pundit, her affable manner, keen intellect and penchant for plain speaking mean she is constantly in demand.

That plain speaking got her into deep water in 1988 when she was forced to resign from the squeaky clean Dukakis campaign after telling journalists that George Bush Snr had to “fess up” to rumours of adultery because “the American people have every right to know if Barbara Bush will share that bed with him in the White House”. A native of New Orleans, she has been instrumental in pushing for more action to rebuild the city after Hurricane Katrina.

18. RICHARD HOLBROOKE Diplomat and investment banker

The man who brokered the Dayton Accord that ended the Bosnian war is now a top foreign policy advisor to Hillary Clinton, and is often tipped as a likely Secretary of State in a Democratic administration. He felt he should have that job had when Bill Clinton gave it to Madeleine Albright and it would have been his had Al Gore won in 2000.

More hawkish than most Democrats, he has a reputation as an tough, aggressive negotiator. Diplomatic experience is virtually unrivalled. A former US ambassador to Germany and the United Nations, he took part in the Paris negotiations on Vietnam in 1968-9 and is the only person to have been an Assistant Secretary of State for two regions, Asia and Europe.

19. ELIZABETH EDWARDS

The driving force behind her husband John’s presidential campaign, Mrs Edwards announced in March that the cancer she had first been diagnosed with the day the John Kerry-John Edwards ticket was defeated by George W Bush had returned and was incurable. Instead of abandoning the campaign, the couple moved it into a higher gear.

Although Edwards was slow to find his feet, his wife became a darling of the Left with her outspoken, unscripted comments. She described Brack Obama as “holier than thou”, said that “hatred” for Hillary Clinton would lead to her defeat by a Republican and even complained that "we can't make John black, we can't make him a woman". Belatedly, Mr Edwards is adopting the same directness in his populist campaign. He’s has only an outside shot but if anyone can bring down Hillary Clinton for him it’s Elizabeth.

20. JOAN BLADES AND WES BOYD Founders and co-chairs of MoveOn.org

Blades and Boyd, husband and wife, founded MoveOn.org, the liberal online pressure group, after selling their San Francisco software company for $14 million a decade ago. It all began with an online petition against the impeachment of Bill Clinton conceived at a Chinese restaurant. Since then, MoveOn has seen its influence grow to the point where it played a major role part in propelling the Democrats to victory in the 2006 mid-terms with its strident anti-war message, cash and ever-expanding social network.

An advertisement placed by MoveOn in the New York Times last month branding General David Petraeus, commander of US forces in Iraq, “General Betray Us”, was roundly condemned by Republicans and viewed as an own goal by many Democrats on Capitol Hill. Blades and Boyd shrugged off the criticism and can be expected to grab headlines again in next year’s general election. They continue to support Democratic political candidates with tens of millions of dollars in advertising and thousands of hours of telephone canvassing and knocking on doors. Blades also blogs at the Huffington Post.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; US: California
KEYWORDS: arnold; arnoldschwarzenegger; benedictarnold
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1 posted on 11/01/2007 8:52:56 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Oh sh.....


2 posted on 11/01/2007 8:55:02 PM PDT by wastedyears (One Marine vs. 550 consultants. Sounds like good odds to me.)
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To: BenLurkin

Where’s Rudy???


3 posted on 11/01/2007 8:55:18 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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4 posted on 11/01/2007 8:57:27 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: BenLurkin
This list is idiotic. In what way is Evan Bayh, a powerless backbench Democrat Senator, more powerful than Chuck Schumer, Ted Kennedy, Henry Waxman, Charlie Rangel or David Obey?

This is ludicrous.

5 posted on 11/01/2007 8:57:29 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

Ariana Huffington is more powerful than the Ways and Means Committee? Maybe in Santa Monica she is, but certainly not in Washington.


6 posted on 11/01/2007 8:58:29 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: BenLurkin
unwillingness to commit herself on the smallest of issues betray alarming chinks in her armour.

I have read this phrase all over the place - is this just groupthink, or a DNC fax?

7 posted on 11/01/2007 9:00:30 PM PDT by Old Sarge (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub)
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To: BenLurkin

I disagree with Obama’s ranking. 1) He’s a fad, and 2) his true strength is in Chicago, and nowhere else.


8 posted on 11/01/2007 9:00:33 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: BenLurkin

I realize the view from across the pond is frequently different than here, but please!! This list and th order they are listed is hardly definitive, accurate, or complete.


9 posted on 11/01/2007 9:01:14 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts...)
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To: BenLurkin

Screw that. Arnold is the man!


10 posted on 11/01/2007 9:04:18 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Rudy didn’t make the list because he’s not influential.


11 posted on 11/01/2007 9:05:50 PM PDT by LilAngel (FReeping on a cell phone is like making Christmas dinner in an Easy Bake Oven)
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To: BenLurkin

What a freak show.


12 posted on 11/01/2007 9:07:30 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF ("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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To: BenLurkin

Number 6 may be the first ‘Muslim’ President...there is some baggage carried that is relevant. Is Obamas’ Islamic background as a child a problem for him or the US for our Islamic relations in or out of the country if he is Pres or VP? This site will add a dimension to Obamas’ background...http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm

This above is a blog. A headline for the blog which claims Muslims consider him still Muslim...’Barack Hussein Obama, an African-American who has not shared the black American experience, was a Muslim for 27 years (according to Islam, he still is) and is a master at shaping his own mythology.’
He is a national security risk in high office. The Dems do not recognize the risk.

Here is a comment with an excerpt from the site above that relates to Obama as a possible Pres. in view of his Islamic past as a child, young man and his desire to be US President before converting to Christianity. There is a problem with Obama being an apostate Muslim as viewed by Muslims and being Pres. of the US. If Pres. of the US, overtures will be made for him to convert back to Islam or grant special consideration to Islam in its stead in view of his childhood status. The Muslim Brotherhoods’ CAIR will be right up front. Very dangerous for US. According to Islam ‘once a Muslim, always a Muslim’ with death if reconversion is not accomplished if they get their hands on the converted person. In Islam, escape is not possible..an escapee is an apostate, and his condition is punishable by death according to and practiced by the implementers of Sharia law. Obama, a US citizen born in Hawaii, a current professed and currently practicing Christian, is an apostate under Islamic Sharia law, and if President, understandably might be under pressure from Islam for undue considerations...this is a complete irresponsibility of the Dim party who legitimized an Islamic Congressmen who absurdly swore loyalty to the US on Thos. Jeffersons’Koran (Ellison). Will Muslims consider him apostate? Potentially only if he get into higher office. No such demand exists presently. Would some Pak Imam issue a fatwa on him if he refused to convert on demand back to Islam? Spare us. A foolish worry? I do not think so. You decide.

From the link above: Barack Obama went by the name Barry Soetoro as a child in Indonesia...here is the excerp beginning with 1968.

1968

The “An American Expat in Southeast Asia” blog reports that Obama’s Indonesian schooling began when he was entered into the Roman Catholic, Franciscus Assisi Primary School on January 1, 1968 and sat in class 1B. He was registered under the name Barry Soetoro, serial number 203. School documents listed Barry Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen and his religion was listed as Islam.

Catholic schools accept non-Catholics worldwide. Non-Catholic students are typically excused from religious instruction and ceremony.

Citizen of Indonesia?

1969

Obama enters Class 2 of the Assisi Primary School.

1970

Obama enters Class 3 of the Assisi Primary School.

1971

Obama’s family moves from H Ramir Street to Dempo Street.

1971

Obama enters the Besuki Primary School, a government school. He was enrolled as Barry Soetoro, Muslim.

Iis Darmawan, 63, Obama’s teacher, remembers him as an exceptionally tall and curly haired child who quickly picked up the local language and had sharp math skills. “He wrote an essay titled, ‘I Want To Become President,’” the teacher said.

Obama’s sister Maya, has also said, “There was always a joke between my mom and Barack that he would be the first black president.”
Six or seven and he wants to be president?

Watch out for these guys.

1971

All Indonesian students are required to study religion at school and a young Barry Soetoro, being a Muslim, would have been required to study Islam daily in school.

He would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study the laws of Islam.

In his autobiography, “Dreams From My Father,” Obama mentions studying the Quran and describes the public school as “a Muslim school.”
Obama no longer (2007) denies he was a Muslim. He now says he wasn’t a “practicing Muslim”

1971

According to Tine Hahiyary, one of Obama’s teachers and the principal from 1971 throuh 1989, Barry actively took part in the Islamic religious lessons during his time at the school. His teacher was named Maimunah and she lived in the Puncak area, the Cianjur Regency.

“I remembered that he had studied “menjaji” (recitation of the Quran)” Tine said.

Comments made in 2007

1972

Classmate Rony Amiris describes young Barry as enjoying playing football and marbles and of being a very devout Muslim. Amir said, “Barry was previously quite religious in Islam. His birth father, Barack Hussein Obama was a Muslim economist from Kenya ... all of the relatives of Barry’s father were very devout Muslims”

“We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house. If he was wearing a sarong he looked funny,” said Rony.

Amiris now the manager of the Bank Mandiri, Jakarta, recently said, “Barry was previously quite religious in Islam. His birth father, Barack Hussein Obama was a Muslim economist from Kenya. Before marrying Ann Dunham, Hussein Obama was married to a woman from Kenya who had seven children. All the relatives of Barry’s father were very devout Muslims”

Rony extrapolates further, that Obama at one point had to change his religion if he ever intended later to run for the office of President of the United States because America would never elect a Muslim to the be President of the United States.

Comments made in 2007

1972

Emirsyah Satar, CEO of Garuda Indonesia, was quoted as saying, “He (Obama) was often in the prayer room wearing a ‘sarong’, at that time.”

“He was quite religious in Islam but only after marrying Michelle, he changed his religion.”

Comments made in 2007

1973

Upon Dunham’s divorce from Lolo she sent 10-year-old Barack to live with her parents in Honolulu, while she and his half-sister stayed in Indonesia.

Here is the Link from which the former was exerpted: http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm

Obama has stated a empathy for the cause of Hamas in the past two years publicly, and, now says he will ‘talk’ with Iran..do I trust such a proposal at this time? No.Is his Islamic background Sunni or Shiite? It is relevant to those in Islam who would befriend him or attack him politically or otherwise. His middle name is Hussein. We hear Hilary Rodham Clinton all the time...Barack Hussein Obama will not appear until after the election. He is too entwined by history, registered Islamic youthful education and identification to be safely elected as an official of the US. Could he convert, if acclaimed apostate, to ‘save’ his life from death sentence after election to the office of the Pres. or VP? Anyone in the US has the right to choose any religion one wishes. A conversion during a Presidency would be disruptive. A critical issue is avoided by media, govt. and parties....and, Islam is in a world war with the US, Europe, EVERYNATION not under Sharia Law, and quite independently of whether the US is in the Middle East or not. Islam is feeling its oats as in no way since the Gates of Vienna. Is it a good idea to invite undue potential Islamic political overture to the White House at this time? Nothing wrong with him following his dream. It is ill-advised to not ‘vet’ our candidates more closely.


13 posted on 11/01/2007 9:07:58 PM PDT by givemELL
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To: BenLurkin

Gadzooks. When this guy’s lips move, Bill’s bellybutton puckers.


14 posted on 11/01/2007 9:09:49 PM PDT by Erasmus (My simplifying explanation had the disconcerting side effect of making the subject incomprehensible.)
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To: freedom44; calcowgirl
Screw that. Arnold is the man!

Why? Why would you take him off the liberal list? In fact he would be the first one to disagree with you. I bet he's real proud of this ranking.

15 posted on 11/01/2007 9:10:02 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (If Rudy's an influential conservative, then I'm an award winning concert pianist.)
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To: BenLurkin
A novelist and former journalist,Webb...

Is that what they're calling purveyors of pedophile porn these days...."novelists"?

16 posted on 11/01/2007 9:12:48 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Wanna see how bad it can get? Elect Hillary and find out.)
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To: LilAngel

LOL, he didn’t make THIS list because he was ranked the #1 influential Conservative by the same group of Brits...


17 posted on 11/01/2007 9:12:53 PM PDT by jonathanmo (So many phobes, so little time...)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Yes I would. He is a conservative, not a liberal. He is a politician catering to popular sentiment in CA. He is the best thing we can have in CA.


18 posted on 11/01/2007 9:12:56 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: LilAngel
The posted Rudy as number one among the “Conservatives” - along with Condi Rice, Joe Lieberman and PJ O’Rourke.

The list looks like The Telegraph didn’t know enough names to fill out a list of 100 actual conservatives in America. Either that or somebody did a Lexis/Nexis search and fed the results through a random number generator.

19 posted on 11/01/2007 9:15:21 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF ("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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To: BenLurkin

8. ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER Governor of California

L O L !


20 posted on 11/01/2007 9:20:14 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: freedom44; calcowgirl; NormsRevenge; SierraWasp
Yes I would. He is a conservative, not a liberal. He is a politician catering to popular sentiment in CA. He is the best thing we can have in CA.

He is not a conservative by any description. Pick an issue any issue at all and tell me what he has done that is conservative?

It is a nasty, disgusting myth that California is that liberal or that is the best we can do. In the 2003 Recall both Arnold and Tom McClintock ran as Reagan-style conservatives and over 60% of Californians said they wanted a Reagan-style conservative as Governor.

Unfortunately Arnold was a complete fraud and he has run the state as an extreme, far left, liberal. He has signed bills that Gray Davis vetoed. He has advanced the homosexual agenda, infringed on property rights, embraced the socialist environmental agenda. Fiscally he has gone on a borrowing and spending binge that would make a drunken sailor blush. California is now on the brink of insolvency.

So please tell me why you think he is conservative, but don't tell me its the best we can get in California. That's just stupid.

21 posted on 11/01/2007 9:20:44 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (If Rudy's an influential conservative, then I'm an award winning concert pianist.)
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To: BenLurkin

But number 7 is on a fast track to the next life.

22 posted on 11/01/2007 9:22:49 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: BenLurkin
LOL -Democrats are the party of poor? They had to list Soros as a billionaire as a shocking factor...What of the multi millions the rest have?
23 posted on 11/01/2007 9:24:48 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: BenLurkin

Elizabeth Edwards is listed but Silky Pony is not.


24 posted on 11/01/2007 9:26:05 PM PDT by jimfree (Freep and ye shall find.)
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To: BenLurkin


There goes the neighborhood ...
25 posted on 11/01/2007 9:30:36 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: freedom44
"He is a conservative"

What's he conserving? Nothing more a liberal would, IMO.

26 posted on 11/01/2007 9:30:58 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Schwarzenegger’s defiance of Republican orthodoxy and move towards California liberalism leaves him better placed to influence the liberal sphere.


It has been the most expensive experiment ever foisted on California by the elite that egged him on,, no amount of special effects or PR flacks can spin that fact away.


27 posted on 11/01/2007 9:32:07 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: BenLurkin

Elizabeth Edwards is #19 and her fag husband is not even on the list. LOL Too funny. I bet his feelings are hurt.


28 posted on 11/01/2007 9:35:13 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: jonathanmo

Okay, I think I’m going to be sick now.


29 posted on 11/01/2007 9:38:58 PM PDT by LilAngel (FReeping on a cell phone is like making Christmas dinner in an Easy Bake Oven)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Scrambled politicians. lol


30 posted on 11/01/2007 9:52:31 PM PDT by LilAngel (FReeping on a cell phone is like making Christmas dinner in an Easy Bake Oven)
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To: freedom44
Yes I would. He is a conservative, not a liberal. He is a politician catering to popular sentiment in CA. He is the best thing we can have in CA.

[Biting tongue. Hard.]

31 posted on 11/01/2007 10:18:55 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: ElkGroveDan; freedom44

Ditto all of that. 100% agree.


32 posted on 11/01/2007 10:20:21 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: givemELL

Obama’s a member of the United Church Of Christ. If you want a Muslim, try Zalmay Khalilzad, the current United States ambassador to the United Nations.


33 posted on 11/01/2007 10:28:29 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: calcowgirl

Be realistic, he is the best thing that has happened in CA in years. Unfortunately, not all of CA is orange county. I wish it was, but that is not realistic.


34 posted on 11/01/2007 10:29:18 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44

Study up and come back with some facts.
Arnold makes Gray Davis look like a right-winger.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1919867/posts

California in Fiscal Trouble Again (risk of insolvency - makes Enron blush)


35 posted on 11/01/2007 10:32:16 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: BenLurkin

Liebermann and Craig made the Conservative list. I don’t thin their list is all that accurate. Amusing, perhaps, but not accurate.


36 posted on 11/01/2007 10:33:37 PM PDT by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: fish hawk; TigersEye

Oh he will get over it & go to the Pink Sapphire & have a spa day.


37 posted on 11/01/2007 10:35:12 PM PDT by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: calcowgirl

BS propaganda.


38 posted on 11/01/2007 10:37:42 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44

You are proving you know little about California. We’ve been working up to a fiscal meltdown for a few years now, as documented by too many sources to mention.

Carry on with your propaganda, though. Don’t let facts get in your way.


39 posted on 11/01/2007 10:39:34 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: BenLurkin
Where’s Dingy Harry?
40 posted on 11/01/2007 10:42:02 PM PDT by decal (This tagline is subject to change without noti........)
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To: calcowgirl

I know a lot about CA politics. The only county we have in CA is orange county, we lost drastically in recent elections due to belligerent far-right agenda. Arnold is the best thing we have in CA.

Unfortunately CA is not like my home state TX. Be realistic.


41 posted on 11/01/2007 10:43:37 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44
I know a lot about CA politics.

You are proving otherwise.

The only county we have in CA is orange county

That would come as a big surprise to the 35+ counties (approx 60%) that voted for Bush in 2004.

we lost drastically in recent elections due to belligerent far-right agenda.

Oooooh.... "belligerent far-right agenda"? Who exactly are you referring to? In other words, YOU like Arnold better than those "belligerent far-right" wingers?

Arnold is the best thing we have in CA.

Record spending, unconstitutional borrowing, leftist judges, envirowacko legislation, global warming regulation, property right abuse, subsidies for special interests, socialist programs, UN Agenda 21 urban planning, etc. etc. etc. This is not what the man ran on--it is not what people voted for. This is NOT the best we can do.

42 posted on 11/01/2007 11:13:51 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: freedom44
I know a lot about CA politics. The only county we have in CA is orange county, we lost drastically in recent elections due to belligerent far-right agenda. Arnold is the best thing we have in CA.

You may want to study up on your CA politics.

My home county of Kern is conservative, so much so that I remember a DU thread making fun of its residents.

Just what do you consider to be "beligerent far-right agenda"?

43 posted on 11/01/2007 11:23:16 PM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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What a rogues gallery of a list.


44 posted on 11/01/2007 11:41:52 PM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: BenLurkin

Never heard of number 3 before.


45 posted on 11/02/2007 2:49:19 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: freedom44

You’re in the wrong forum. This is no place for effeminate, gun-grabbing, granola-eating, marxist scumbags.


46 posted on 11/02/2007 3:00:59 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: Alter Kaker
This is ludicrous.

That's what happens when "experts" from another country try to tell us about our politics.

47 posted on 11/02/2007 3:22:30 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: BenLurkin

Forgot cut and run Paul.


48 posted on 11/02/2007 3:31:15 AM PDT by rideharddiefast
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To: decal
Where’s Dingy Harry?

In the mens room with larry craig.

49 posted on 11/02/2007 5:20:54 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: BenLurkin

The conservative list is idiotic.

Mark Steyn is not in the top 100, but Frank Luntz makes #17...ahead of George Bush.


50 posted on 11/02/2007 5:40:45 AM PDT by kidd
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