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Devices Enforce Cellular Silence, Sweet but Illegal
New York Times ^ | November 4, 2007 | MATT RICHTEL

Posted on 11/03/2007 8:11:57 PM PDT by NCjim

SAN FRANCISCO, Nov. 2 — One afternoon in early September, an architect boarded his commuter train and became a cellphone vigilante. He sat down next to a 20-something woman who he said was “blabbing away” into her phone.

“She was using the word ‘like’ all the time. She sounded like a Valley Girl,” said the architect, Andrew, who declined to give his last name because what he did next was illegal.

Andrew reached into his shirt pocket and pushed a button on a black device the size of a cigarette pack. It sent out a powerful radio signal that cut off the chatterer’s cellphone transmission — and any others in a 30-foot radius.

“She kept talking into her phone for about 30 seconds before she realized there was no one listening on the other end,” he said. His reaction when he first discovered he could wield such power? “Oh, holy moly! Deliverance.”

As cellphone use has skyrocketed, making it hard to avoid hearing half a conversation in many public places, a small but growing band of rebels is turning to a blunt countermeasure: the cellphone jammer, a gadget that renders nearby mobile devices impotent.

The technology is not new, but overseas exporters of jammers say demand is rising and they are sending hundreds of them a month into the United States — prompting scrutiny from federal regulators and new concern last week from the cellphone industry. The buyers include owners of cafes and hair salons, hoteliers, public speakers, theater operators, bus drivers and, increasingly, commuters on public transportation.

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I cannot count the number of times that I would have loved to have one of these gadgets.
1 posted on 11/03/2007 8:11:59 PM PDT by NCjim
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To: NCjim

Cellphones have retarded the world. Time for the silent minority to fight back...

People are dumbfounded when I tell them I have no cell phone... cellphones are for slaves and sucka’s


2 posted on 11/03/2007 8:14:52 PM PDT by Professional
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To: NCjim

I would rather that people regained the ability to use common sense and common courtesy.

I seldom carry my cell phone and it’s turned off when I’m in a doctors office, store, movie theatre etc.


3 posted on 11/03/2007 8:16:18 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: NCjim
It sounds cool. But the first time someone can prove that the use of this device prevented a legitimate 911 call, there will be a huge lawsuit.

Also, if one knows that someone is about to use this to prevent a 911 call (e.g. home invasion robbers use it to prevent victim from summoning aid) would it be legitimate to attack the user in self defense? This opens up a real can of worms.

4 posted on 11/03/2007 8:18:01 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Professional

I’d love to too. BUT:

” Federal Communications
Commission regulations prohibit you
from operating, owning, manufac-
turing,marketing,or offering for sale
any device that intentionally interferes with any RF
transmissions. These activities are punishable by an
$11,000 fine and as much as a year in prison”


5 posted on 11/03/2007 8:19:40 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: Professional
Cellphones have retarded the world.

No, they just put retarded mentalities on public display.
6 posted on 11/03/2007 8:21:16 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Professional

I strongly disagree. I spend much of my time traveling on back roads in rural America and on many occasions I have been more that thankful for my cell phone.


7 posted on 11/03/2007 8:23:29 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: NCjim

While these devices are illegal in the USA, it is still perfectly legal to use passive mechanisms to block cell phone conversations. For example, a restaurant owner could line his walls with metal screening material and then paint over that. Such a setup will block most EM radiation from entering the property.


8 posted on 11/03/2007 8:25:39 PM PDT by pnh102
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To: Professional

Really???

And for people like me, who, while standing in front of a burning house from which I had just escaped with my life, used mine to call the fire department since there were no land lines available in my remote location.

Slaves and suckas??


9 posted on 11/03/2007 8:30:02 PM PDT by turnrightnow (bink's mom)
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To: NCjim

I love it. I usually rode the bus home to and from work and really got sick of hearing people on their phones. One woman used to be so loud discussing her real estate deals.


10 posted on 11/03/2007 8:30:26 PM PDT by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: 17th Miss Regt
I totally agree. That was my first thought was being blocked from a very important call besides 911. It is these constant never taking a breath and blab, blab, blab, and are literary saying nothing that really pi@@ me off.
11 posted on 11/03/2007 8:32:21 PM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: turnrightnow

Sorry about your fire; but you should know we are not talking about responsible people such as yourself.

There are way too many self-absorbed right now.


12 posted on 11/03/2007 8:35:34 PM PDT by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: NCjim

Next step: cheap devices to detect and locate jammers.


13 posted on 11/03/2007 8:36:27 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: aruanan

exactly. they are great tools and have their place but it’s not the phones fault their idiot users have the need to loudly speak into them during church services or while they/we are viewing a movie that is in progress at the theater. some of these people were probably retarded before cell phones became popular. hard to believe these gomers sometimes huh?


14 posted on 11/03/2007 8:36:31 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: doc1019
I spend much of my time traveling on back roads in rural America and on many occasions I have been more that thankful for my cell phone.

My rural must be more rural, LOL. Quite often, even with an amplifier and 7db antenna all I get is "no service".

15 posted on 11/03/2007 8:40:05 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: NCjim
Suppose the caller recognizes the jamming and the source of this “Politically Correct” anti Freedom of Speech action. Personally, that jammer would require the skills of a proctologist. Case closed!!!
16 posted on 11/03/2007 8:40:21 PM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: NCjim

This cellphone vigilante is just as bad and annoying as the cellphone yakkers he is targeting.

So one idiot is blabbing away and another idiot zaps the entire bus or train car. What about the other people who might be quietly texting their friends or co-workers, reading email, or doing any number of things that use Internet access via cell phones these days?

Use of these jamming gadgets by vigilante enforcers is at the very best childish and selfish.


17 posted on 11/03/2007 8:40:49 PM PDT by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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To: NCjim

High School...Text this junior! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!


18 posted on 11/03/2007 8:43:15 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Smokin' Joe

I live in Ohio were it seems there is a cell phone tower ever few miles. Never had an occasion when I couldn’t dial out.


19 posted on 11/03/2007 8:47:42 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Ronin

Good points, but I really do sympathize with this guy. If some @sshole on a bus or train wants to yak on a cell phone, then I want to listen to my ghetto blaster while I ride to work in the morning.


20 posted on 11/03/2007 8:48:40 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Professional
I have a cell phone that allows me to call anywhere in the United States for no additional charge plus I can use it just about anytime, anywhere, all for less per month than it cost me for my land line in my house - not to mention the additional cost of long distance. How is that not a great thing?
21 posted on 11/03/2007 8:49:28 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: Kozak
Um, how can they even prove it was any particular person? As the article says these things are able to fit in a coat pocket.

So how will they prove it is you or anyone? How?

22 posted on 11/03/2007 8:52:02 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: NCjim

The FCC is losing its steam by creating unenforceable regulations. Using cellphone jammers are illegal, but it mere possession? Using new model walkie-talkies, some with ranges in excess of 10 miles, is only legal with a license. Does anyone actually have such a license? But walkie-talkies are ubiquitous.

The FCC finds it hard to even police up pirate radio stations. Otherwise their efforts are less effective than was the federal efforts during prohibition to stop booze.


23 posted on 11/03/2007 8:52:15 PM PDT by Popocatapetl
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To: 17th Miss Regt

The device is specifically illegal because it blocks doctors, medical personnel, law enforcement personnel, and emergency management personnel from receiving emergency pages from dispatch.

These devices also block (analog and digital) pagers. Like the ones doctors carry with them all the time when they are on call.

People who carry these devices SHOULD be prosecuted, their comfort does not supersede public safety.


24 posted on 11/03/2007 8:52:53 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: doc1019
I live in Western North Dakota where having GPS on a cell phone to call 911 is a joke. If you need to call and they need GPS to locate you, you probably won't get a signal.

The phones work pretty well anywhere there is a sidewalk, though.

25 posted on 11/03/2007 8:53:51 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: NCjim
Andrew reached into his shirt pocket and pushed a button on a black device the size of a cigarette pack. It sent out a powerful radio signal that cut off the chatterer’s cellphone transmission — and any others in a 30-foot radius.

Andrew is in violation of FCC rules - to wit, broadcasting without a license. It might be fun or enjoyable to disrupt the conversations of others, but to do so is to act outside of ones' rights.

26 posted on 11/03/2007 8:54:05 PM PDT by meyer (Illegal Immigration - The profits are privatized, the costs are socialized.)
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To: secretagent
“Next step: cheap devices to detect and locate jammers.”

Really? So what. Unless they force-ably grab you (battery or worse) how will they prove it is in your pocket let alone take it from you?

How? Jammer vigilantes? LOL

27 posted on 11/03/2007 8:58:26 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: SW6906

How is that not a great thing? For you maybe, but when you and I are eating Teriyaki, in that small place by the strip mall, don’t care to hear about what you and “ma” have to talk about.... I left the office for lunch, some relaxation, not to sit in a phone booth.

I’m sure you’re not like that, but you get the point?


28 posted on 11/03/2007 8:59:36 PM PDT by Professional
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To: Professional

Cellphones are wasted on the unimportant people. Everyone thinks they have to be connected 24 hours a day. Do you really have to talk to people while you’re driving? Do you really have to talk to all of your friends and family while you grocery shop? Guys, can you go grocery shopping and not call the wife to make a decision about what brand of ketchup to get (oh, but the other one’s on sale, sweetie - what do I do?)?

The fact is 98% of people who have cell phones are not important enough to need to be gotten a hold of at a moment’s notice. They abuse it.


29 posted on 11/03/2007 9:00:26 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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To: JSteff

Since you are emitting a strong RF signal it should be easy enough to locate it. If you are willing to risk the fine and jail time go for it....


30 posted on 11/03/2007 9:01:01 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: meyer
“Andrew is in violation of FCC rules - to wit, broadcasting without a license”

Does anyone get a license to set up a home wifi network? Where can I see that? What about garage door openers.. is there a test for that license?

31 posted on 11/03/2007 9:02:05 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: NCjim

What about a pacemaker?


32 posted on 11/03/2007 9:02:30 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Dang, you too huh?

The grocery store for cyring out loud...

On the freeway, literally every driver is yakking away. Always wonder what the heck could be so interesting, that you’d feel like you have to talk non stop, all day? Had a buddy that would call me five times a day, never had anything to say, finally asked him to get a life.


33 posted on 11/03/2007 9:03:48 PM PDT by Professional
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To: Professional

“People are dumbfounded when I tell them I have no cell phone... cellphones are for slaves and sucka’s”

That is just stupid.

Cell phones let parents stay in touch with their kids.

They let older people like my dad have a phone with them at all times in case they are alone and get hurt.

They let people like me get out of the house to do things like go get a haircut or go grocery shopping. Sound silly? I run a consulting business, and usually work at home. I live on the phone. Without it and email thru it, I’d be stuck here from 6 am to 7 pm.

They let me stay in touch with my high-paid employees who are neither slaves or suckers.

People always insult that which they don’t understand.


34 posted on 11/03/2007 9:04:59 PM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: turnrightnow

For a couple years, had to have one. 8 yrs later without one, have never had an emergency where I “wished” I had one. The world made it a long time without them, this idea that even little children must have them, nauseates me. I’ve saved enough money not paying for one, to probably buy something really nice. Maybe not a house, but a nice used car for sure.


35 posted on 11/03/2007 9:05:56 PM PDT by Professional
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To: Popocatapetl
"Using new model walkie-talkies, some with ranges in excess of 10 miles, is only legal with a license."

That's FRS that does not require any license.

"The FCC finds it hard to even police up pirate radio stations."

In most cases, they simply choose not to prosecute morons. If the person is setting up serious broadcasts, or interfering with ligitimate comms, they'll shut them down immediately.

36 posted on 11/03/2007 9:06:48 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: freekitty

“I love it. I usually rode the bus home to and from work and really got sick of hearing people on their phones. One woman used to be so loud discussing her real estate deals.”

Get some headphones. You’re in a public place. People have every right to use their phone. Sorry to disappoint.


37 posted on 11/03/2007 9:06:57 PM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: Kozak
“Since you are emitting a strong RF signal it should be easy enough to locate it.”

LOL, see 31. More power to those who block wasted annoyances like those who chat (usually LOUDLY) about last Friday night at the local pub while in line at a grocery store or in the waiting room at a doctors office.

The jammer is probably not the rude one. In fact the opposite.

38 posted on 11/03/2007 9:07:49 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: Professional
I agree, but you need to separate the abusers from the usefulness of the device. I get a phone I can use anytime, anywhere that I need to, that doesn't cost me more whether I am calling Hawaii or Florida or across town, all for less money than I used to pay for a phone that I could only use within 50 ft of my house.

Remember the days when it used to be "long distance" to call one mile to the North, but not long distance to call 15 miles to the south?

39 posted on 11/03/2007 9:08:31 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem

It’s a phone man....

What next, just implant the sucker right in your head, with a fake tooth as the talking piece?

I’m sure that is coming. Yes, I do think it is a form of slavery, someone always being able to get you, do something for them...

Whatever happened to the random life, let what happens, happen?

To each his own, I’ll let others enjoy being a phone...

And trust me, I know I’m in the minority, but that is fine...


40 posted on 11/03/2007 9:09:23 PM PDT by Professional
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To: NCjim

Personal Cell Phone Signal Blocker Device *Brand New*

http://cgi.ebay.com/Personal-Cell-Phone-Signal-Blocker-Device-Brand-New_W0QQitemZ170165546721QQihZ007QQcategoryZ294QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


41 posted on 11/03/2007 9:10:09 PM PDT by dennisw (Four and a half acres of sovereign U.S. territory,anytime,anywhere ---- US aircraft carrier)
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To: JSteff

“Does anyone get a license to set up a home wifi network? Where can I see that? What about garage door openers.. is there a test for that license?”

They work on frequencies that are unregulated for low power transmission.


42 posted on 11/03/2007 9:10:49 PM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: Professional
Here's a humorous - but serious - story I heard today concerning a cell phone.

A Friend was working on his roof when he momentarily lost his footing, catching himself before he fell. At that time, he decided he better put his cell phone in his pocket so that in case he fell, he'd at least be able to call someone for help as he lay in a heap in his driveway........

43 posted on 11/03/2007 9:10:59 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem
"I live on the phone. Without it and email thru it, I’d be stuck here from 6 am to 7 pm."

Recall you were responding to the poster's comment, "cellphones are for slaves and sucka’s” I guess you know your category.

44 posted on 11/03/2007 9:12:18 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: dennisw

$100 for a little peace and quiet at the risk of jail and fines? No thanks.


45 posted on 11/03/2007 9:13:29 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: JSteff
"Does anyone get a license to set up a home wifi network? Where can I see that? What about garage door openers.. is there a test for that license?"

Those bands are exempt and set aside for use for limited purposes. The cell bands are set aside for cell phone use only. THe users are exempt, but the providers must obtain a license.

Anyone who broadcasts on frequencies within a licenced, or forbidden band, commits a fed crime. Anyone who specifically does so for the purposes of interfering with licenced operation will have stiffer penalties applied. The forbidden bands are generally for mil, gov and LE operation. Broadcasting, or interfering with those would generate the largest penalty.

46 posted on 11/03/2007 9:15:51 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: Kozak
” These activities are punishable by an
$11,000 fine and as much as a year in prison”

Don’t quote law unless you can provide a source. Generally it is legal to transmit a signal of less than 100 milliwatts. On any frequency....

47 posted on 11/03/2007 9:16:36 PM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem
“They let me stay in touch with my high-paid employees who are neither slaves or suckers.”

Are your high-paid workers talking loudly in church about what restaurant they want to meet at tonight? If so they deserve to be jammed. Big difference between that type and the few who are doing serious business.

What right do others have to inflict their discussion about their new car (again usually loudly) on me while I am in line at a convenience store?

48 posted on 11/03/2007 9:16:40 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: JSteff
Do those of us who use our cell phones politely and legitimately deserve to be jammed along with those who are abusing the privilege?

Think: gun control before you answer........

50 posted on 11/03/2007 9:19:01 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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