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Rancher sees benefit from a fence
Sierra Vista Herald/Review ^ | Jonathon Shacat

Posted on 11/04/2007 8:48:02 AM PST by SandRat

BISBEE — Richard Hodges was driving his Jeep along International Road after 8 p.m. one night this past summer when he noticed an opening in the barbed wire fence along one side of his property.

He owns 372 acres near Bisbee Junction. The edge of his land is located on the border with Mexico. Fearing his cows might escape and cross the border, he stopped to close the hole in the fence.

He parked his vehicle so the headlights were shining on the fence. As he was mending the section of barbed wire, he was struck in the chest by a rock. He turned to step out of the way of the lights and he felt another rock whiz by his head.

He walked around to get in his Jeep and he heard rocks rain down on the canvas top of his Jeep. He went home.

Hodges suspects the people who were throwing the rocks are drug runners.

“They wanted me to leave so they could conduct their illegal business,” he said.

His land is regularly crossed by illegal entrants and he strongly believes many of them are smuggling narcotics.

Hodges also has been shot at a few times over the years. He thinks it is unreasonable that he can’t stand on his own property without being threatened with injury or death.

“This is my place,” he said. “I inherited this from my grandparents. My great-grandfather homesteaded it. I’ve been out here all my life, except when I was in school and in the military.”

The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps is building a mile-long fence along one side of his property to divert the illegal traffic. He said the fence is a necessity.

The fence construction on Hodges’ property should be completed in the coming weeks. Chris Simcox, founder and president of MCDC, said he had intended for the work to be finished by now but it was delayed due to the weather and a lawsuit.

Jim Campbell, who donated $100,000 to MCDC to help build border fencing on private property in Cochise County, filed suit against the group for fraud and breach of contract in May in Maricopa County Superior Court. However, the lawsuit was dismissed in September.

Hodges said he is looking forward to the completion of the MCDC fence on his property. He noted a federal fence that will be built parallel to the Minuteman fence there won’t be finished until February or March.

Simcox said the MCDC fence building projects were the “impetus and catalyst” for getting the government to start building a border fence. President Bush signed The Secure Fence Act in October 2006.

Minuteman border fences have already reduced illegal crossings by 60 percent, and stopped all occurrences of high speed drug running along the heavily violated section of the border near Palominas, said Carmen Mercer, vice president of the group.

The group intends to continue to pressure the government to follow through with plans to build the full border fence, Simcox added.

The White House called The Secure Fence Act “an important step forward in our nation’s efforts to control our borders and reform our immigration system,” according to www.whitehouse.gov.

“This bill will help protect the American people. This bill will make our borders more secure. It is an important step toward immigration reform,” Bush said in a statement on Oct. 26, 2006.

The act authorized the construction of hundreds of miles of additional fencing on the southern border; authorized more vehicle barriers, checkpoints and lighting to help stop illegal entrants; and authorized the increased use of advanced technology, such as cameras, satellites and unmanned aerial vehicles, at the border.

The White House said “this act is one part of our effort to reform our immigration system,” but it made clear that additional work must be done. Congress has not passed a comprehensive immigration reform plan.

Ray Borane, the mayor of Douglas, said the border should be patrolled in order to protect the country, but a fence across the entire southern border is not the answer to the illegal immigration problem.

“There is a nice fence in Douglas, but people still jump it,” he said.

The government would need to build a fence on the scale of the Great Wall of China to prevent people from getting over it, Borane said. But, even then, they could still climb it with a ladder.

“The only way to be vigilant on a fence that is 2,000 miles long would be to have people stationed along it,” Borane said.

Hodges thinks the mile-long Minuteman fence on his property and the subsequent federal fence on the nearby border will force the drug smugglers to go a different way or find another location to drop off the narcotics.

He said the fences will help prevent people from entering his property. He is concerned about his cows. He doesn’t want people to damage or vandalize his water source or take baths in the cow tubs.

He is hopeful the fence will stop the illegal activity from interrupting his day-to-day life.

Jennifer Allen, executive director of Border Action Network, a human rights community organization that is opposed to building a border wall, said it is “absolutely understandable” for Hodges to not want the drug smugglers to cross his property.

But she cautioned that once the Minuteman fence on his land is complete, the drug smugglers will cross the border in a different location and the problem will be shifted to somebody else.

“It’s a pattern that will repeat itself and repeat itself,” she said.

And when the federal fence is completed, things will only get worse. She said that making it more difficult to cross the border will cause the drug smugglers to be more highly organized and more heavily armed.

Hodges said he thinks the border fence is a significant part of the solution to the immigration problem.

Some sections of the border can’t be fenced, such as washes and rivers, due to the flow of water during the rain, he said.

“If you can limit the places where people can cross, then you can effectively control those places,” he said. “You can put up electronic sensors or station a man there.”

Over the next three days, Herald/Review reporter Jonathon Shacat is reporting on the discussion and some issues involved in building a border fence, as is being done in Cochise County.

• Today: Building a fence and the arguments for and against it.

• Monday: Some of the possibly good and bad impacts from building a border fence.

• Tuesday: Is a fence along the border the right solution? Groups discuss that topic.

REPORTER Jonathon Shacat can be reached at 515-4693.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; bisbee; border; douglas; drugs; fence; illegalaliens; immigration; immmigrantlist; minutemen; security

1 posted on 11/04/2007 8:48:03 AM PST by SandRat
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To: SandRat

We are outsiders in our own land.

Regards


2 posted on 11/04/2007 8:50:56 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".))
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To: SandRat

We will never give up our country, lands, and homes, to the pukes w/o a fight.


3 posted on 11/04/2007 8:55:07 AM PST by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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To: Keith Brown

22.250
300 Winmag
30-06
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4 posted on 11/04/2007 8:57:24 AM PST by colonialhk (Harry and Nancy are our best moron allies)
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To: SandRat
. Congress has not passed a comprehensive immigration reform plan.

We passed comprehensive immigration reform years ago. It 's called the Federal Immigration and Nationality Act.

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act

Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii) "Any person who . . . encourages or induces an illegal alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each illegal alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

· assists an illegal alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or · encourages that illegal alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or · knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions. ·

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

Recruitment and Employment of Illegal Aliens

It is unlawful to hire an alien, to recruit an alien, or to refer an illegal alien for a fee, knowing the illegal alien is unauthorized to work in the United States. It is equally unlawful to continue to employ an illegal alien knowing that the illegal alien is unauthorized to work.

It is unlawful to hire any individual for employment in the United States without complying with employment eligibility verification requirements. Requirements include examination of identity documents and completion of Form I-9 for every employee hired. Employers must retain all I-9s, and, with three days' advance notice, the forms must be made available for inspection. Employment includes any service or labor performed for any type of remuneration within the United States, with the exception of sporadic domestic service by an individual in a private home. "Day laborers" or other casual workers engaged in any compensated activity (with the above exception) are employees for purposes of immigration law. An employer includes an agent or anyone acting directly or indirectly in the interest of the employer. For purposes of verification of authorization to work, employer also means an independent contractor, or a contractor other than the person using the illegal alien labor.

The use of temporary or short-term contracts cannot be used to circumvent the employment authorization verification requirements. If employment is to be for less than the usual three days allowed for completing the I-9 Form requirement, the form must be completed immediately at the time of hire.

An employer has constructive knowledge that an employee is an illegal unauthorized worker if a reasonable person would infer it from the facts. Constructive knowledge constituting a violation of federal law has been found where (1) the I-9 employment eligibility form has not been properly completed, including supporting documentation, (2) the employer has learned from other individuals, media reports, or any source of information available to the employer that the alien is unauthorized to work, or (3) the employer acts with reckless disregard for the legal consequences of permitting a third party to provide or introduce an illegal alien into the employer's work force. Knowledge cannot be inferred solely on the basis of an individual's accent or foreign appearance.

Actual specific knowledge is not required. For example, a newspaper article stating that ballrooms depend on an illegal alien work force of dance hostesses was held by the courts to be a reasonable ground for suspicion that unlawful conduct had occurred.

It is illegal for nonprofit or religious organizations to knowingly assist an employer to violate employment sanctions, regardless of claims that their convictions require them to assist illegal aliens. Harboring or aiding illegal aliens is not protected by the First Amendment. It is a felony to establish a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of federal immigration law. Violators may be fined or imprisoned for up to five years.

Encouraging and Harboring Illegal Aliens

It is a violation of law for any person to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection in any place, including any building or means of transportation, any illegal alien who is in the United States in violation of law. Harboring means any conduct that tends to substantially facilitate an alien to remain in the U.S. illegally. The sheltering need not be clandestine, and harboring covers aliens arrested outdoors, as well as in a building. This provision includes harboring an alien who entered the U.S. legally but has since lost his legal status.

An employer can be convicted of the felony of harboring illegal aliens who are his employees if he takes actions in reckless disregard of their illegal status, such as ordering them to obtain false documents, altering records, obstructing INS inspections, or taking other actions that facilitate the alien's illegal employment. Any person who within any 12-month period hires ten or more individuals with actual knowledge that they are illegal aliens or unauthorized workers is guilty of felony harboring. It is also a felony to encourage or induce an alien to come to or reside in the U.S. knowing or recklessly disregarding the fact that the alien's entry or residence is in violation of the law. This crime applies to any person, rather than just employers of illegal aliens. Courts have ruled that "encouraging" includes counseling illegal aliens to continue working in the U.S. or assisting them to complete applications with false statements or obvious errors. The fact that the alien is a refugee fleeing persecution is not a defense to this felony, since U.S. law and the UN Protocol on Refugees both require that a refugee must report to immigration authorities without delay upon entry to the U.S.

The penalty for felony harboring is a fine and imprisonment for up to five years. The penalty for felony alien smuggling is a fine and up to ten years' imprisonment. Where the crime causes serious bodily injury or places the life of any person in jeopardy, the penalty is a fine and up to twenty years' imprisonment. If the criminal smuggling or harboring results in the death of any person, the penalty can include life imprisonment. Convictions for aiding, abetting, or conspiracy to commit alien smuggling or harboring, carry the same penalties. Courts can impose consecutive prison sentences for each alien smuggled or harbored. A court may order a convicted smuggler to pay restitution if the illegal alien smuggled qualifies as a victim under the Victim and Witness Protection Act. Conspiracy to commit crimes of sheltering, harboring, or employing illegal aliens is a separate federal offense punishable by a fine of up to $10,000 or five years' imprisonment.

Enforcement

A person or entity having knowledge of a violation or potential violation of employer sanctions provisions may submit a signed written complaint to the INS office with jurisdiction over the business or residence of the potential violator, whether an employer, employee, or agent. The complaint must include the names and addresses of both the complainant and the violator, and detailed factual allegations, including date, time, and place of the potential violation, and the specific conduct alleged to be a violation of employer sanctions. By regulation, the INS will only investigate third-party complaints that have a reasonable probability of validity. Designated INS officers and employees, and all other officers whose duty it is to enforce criminal laws, may make an arrest for violation of smuggling or harboring illegal aliens.

State and local law enforcement officials have the general power to investigate and arrest violators of federal immigration statutes without prior INS knowledge or approval, as long as they are authorized to do so by state law. There is no extant federal limitation on this authority. The 1996 immigration control legislation passed by Congress was intended to encourage states and local agencies to participate in the process of enforcing federal immigration laws. Immigration officers and local law enforcement officers may detain an individual for a brief warrantless interrogation where circumstances create a reasonable suspicion that the individual is illegally present in the U.S. Specific facts constituting a reasonable suspicion include evasive, nervous, or erratic behavior; dress or speech indicating foreign citizenship; and presence in an area known to contain a concentration of illegal aliens. Hispanic appearance alone is not sufficient. Immigration officers and police must have a valid warrant or valid employer's consent to enter workplaces or residences. Any vehicle used to transport or harbor illegal aliens, or used as a substantial part of an activity that encourages illegal aliens to come to or reside in the U.S. may be seized by an immigration officer and is subject to forfeiture. The forfeiture power covers any conveyances used within the U.S.

RICO —Citizen Recourse

Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire to or actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud statutes, under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO). The pattern of racketeering activity is defined as commission of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO enterprise can be any individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal entity but are associated in fact, and can include nonprofit associations.

Tax Crimes

Employers who aid or abet the preparation of false tax returns by failing to pay income or Social Security taxes for illegal alien employees, or who knowingly make payments using false names or Social Security numbers, are subject to IRS criminal and civil sanctions. U.S. nationals who have suffered intentional discrimination because of citizenship or national origin by an employer with more than three employees may file a complaint within 180 days of the discriminatory act with the Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices, U.S. Department of Justice. In addition to the federal statutes summarized, state laws and local ordinances controlling fair labor practices, workers compensation, zoning, safe housing and rental property, nuisance, licensing, street vending, and solicitations by contractors may also apply to activities that involve illegal aliens.

Comment:

A comment and a published quote by Robert Gaffney, Attorney and County Executive of Suffolk County, LI, NY:

The statutory foundation of United States immigration law has always been the jurisdiction of the federal government, Congress and the federal courts. The preeminent laws concerning the employment of illegal aliens are found in the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. §~ 1101-1503), as amended by the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 CIRCA).

The law states it is a crime to assist an illegal alien who lacks employment authorization by referring him to an employer, or by acting as his or her employer, or as an agent for an employer. 8 U.S.C.S. § 1324a(a)(1)(A) (Lexis 1997). Furthermore, it is unlawful to hire an individual for employment without complying with the employment eligibility requirements for every person hired. 8 U.S.C.S. § 1324a(a)(l)(B) (Lexis 1997). Moreover, conduct tending substantially to facilitate illegal aliens remaining in the United States illegally, where there is knowledge or a reckless disregard of an illegal alien s unlawful status, is a crime, with escalating penalties, encompassed within the provisions of 1324. 8 U.S.C.S. § 1324(a)(l)(A)(iii) (Lexis 1997); United States v. Kim. 193 F-3d 567 (2d Cir. 1999), are considered employees for purposes of immigration law.
5 posted on 11/04/2007 8:58:36 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: SandRat

Don’t we all realize that the fence is just a barrier to slow people down so they can be intercepted and to act as a filter to ID those with a conscious intent to cross the border?


6 posted on 11/04/2007 8:59:07 AM PST by Paladin2 (We don't fix the problem, we fix the blame!)
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To: SandRat
Hey Jennifer Allen: Instead of whining and complaining and coming up with umpteen reasons why a border fence won’t work, why not take a proactive stance and suggest solutions. Or do you think allowing drug runners free access to our country is a good idea?
7 posted on 11/04/2007 8:59:39 AM PST by upchuck (Hildabeaste as Prez... unimaginable, devastating misery! She will redefine "How bad can it get?")
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To: Paladin2

Nope! Not the OBLs, or the EnviroNAZIs.


8 posted on 11/04/2007 9:04:34 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: upchuck
Jennifer Allen, executive director of Border Action Network, a human rights community organization that is opposed to building a border wall can’t comprehend what your are saying as she is a Tucson Socialist Trollop.
9 posted on 11/04/2007 9:07:55 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

I agree with this gentleman.


10 posted on 11/04/2007 9:08:00 AM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: SandRat

I agree with this gentleman.


11 posted on 11/04/2007 9:08:26 AM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: SandRat

I’ve always thought privatizing the fence would work better than trusting the government to do it. It’s just a matter of all the private landowners getting organized and/or motivated enough. I know if I owned any land on the border, I’d have the biggest, strongest fence I could afford.


12 posted on 11/04/2007 9:09:44 AM PST by phrogphlyer (Proud member of the contrarian fringe.)
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To: SandRat

In an effort to beat the deadline to vote next year the number of citizenship applications received in the Los Angeles area has tripled to 213,000 this year. There is a Latino group that gives the applicant a loan for the $675 filing fee because they can’t afford it. Just what we need, a bunch of uneducated voters determining our future and opening our borders.

The Los Angeles Times, November 4, 2007
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-citizen4nov04,0,5023303.story?coll=la-home-center


13 posted on 11/04/2007 9:14:36 AM PST by Haddit (Hunter is still the Best)
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To: SandRat

“If you build a fence, it will only shift the problem somewhere else.” Read — May as well do nothing. “If you build a fence, then you will have to monitor it.” Read — May as well do nothing.

I say — they did it in Israel, quick and dirty. And guess what?? It has stopped 90% of the border problems. (I know I am preaching to the choir here ...).


14 posted on 11/04/2007 9:16:43 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: SandRat
“It’s a pattern that will repeat itself and repeat itself,” she said.

Until people finally rise up and do something about it.

15 posted on 11/04/2007 9:54:11 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: colonialhk

How about a Barrett?


16 posted on 11/04/2007 9:56:38 AM PST by wastedyears (One Marine vs. 550 consultants. Sounds like good odds to me.)
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To: SandRat

“Rancher sees benefit from a fence”

Maybe it’s a matter of topology.

But I don’t recall any of the ranchers/farmers I know in Oklahoma,
Texas, Kansas or Missouri ever saying that a fence is a bad thing.
(well, as long as there are gates which can be used for access with
permission of the land-owner!).


17 posted on 11/04/2007 9:59:54 AM PST by VOA
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To: Partisan Hack

PiNG


18 posted on 11/04/2007 10:00:11 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (This post sold by weight, not volume. Content may have settled during shipment.)
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To: SandRat
"The government would need to build a fence on the scale of the Great Wall of China to prevent people from getting over it, Borane said. But, even then, they could still climb it with a ladder. “The only way to be vigilant on a fence that is 2,000 miles long would be to have people stationed along it,” Borane said. "

I agree- we need to build the fence NOW- all 2000 miles of it. And station armed guards on top of it. We have plenty of willing from the ranks of the unemployed, retired, partially disabled, and on and on. We could even use prisoners. Availability of willing gaurds is not a problem.

19 posted on 11/04/2007 10:20:27 AM PST by matthew fuller (Crop-circles, killer rabbits and UFO'S are caused by GLOBAL WARMING!)
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To: matthew fuller

Spell check is your buddy! gaurds=guards. Prisoners could be unarmed spotters.


20 posted on 11/04/2007 10:28:18 AM PST by matthew fuller (Crop-circles, killer rabbits and UFO'S are caused by GLOBAL WARMING!)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


21 posted on 11/04/2007 10:50:23 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: VOA
But I don’t recall any of the ranchers/farmers I know in Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas or Missouri ever saying that a fence is a bad thing. (well, as long as there are gates which can be used for access with permission of the land-owner!).

Therein lies the problem. The illegals and the drug runners:

Believe not only should there be no gates but that if there are they don't need to open them or even close them. Just hop them, leave them open, or worse yet just run over them.

Permission? They don't need no stinking permission from a thieving GRINGO. They are traversing their own land. Land that was stolen from them and rightfully belongs to them.

Don't believe me, just ask the MeChA/Aztlan crowd.

22 posted on 11/04/2007 11:07:01 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
[snip]. ...But she cautioned that once the Minuteman fence on his land is complete, the drug smugglers will cross the border in a different location and the problem will be shifted to somebody else.
“It’s a pattern that will repeat itself and repeat itself,” she said.
And when the federal fence is completed, things will only get worse. She said that making it more difficult to cross the border will cause the drug smugglers to be more highly organized and more heavily armed. ..
[snip]

Exactly why the fence is necessary. It slows down the invaders, prevents large numbers from effectively storming the border, and allows guards to make clean kills.

WITHOUT A BORDER, THERE IS NOT A NATION

23 posted on 11/04/2007 11:12:25 AM PST by skeptoid (U.E., A.A., MBS with Clusters)
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To: SandRat
Jim Campbell, who donated $100,000 to MCDC to help build border fencing on private property . . .

I think the MinuteMen are on to something here.

Why not start a national campaign to privately fund certain areas where the Feds won't, or are too slow? With tongue just slightly in cheek, the MM could ask for nationwide donations from citizens, who would then have a sign posted, along with the fence, with the name of the sponsor. Sort of like what you see along the highways where groups sponsor a mile that they clean up.

Great PR as well as an embarrassment to the government. Hell, I'd drop $20, sign or no, just for the tweaking of the non-responsive governments' nose on this.

24 posted on 11/04/2007 12:26:41 PM PST by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: wastedyears

too much dust


25 posted on 11/04/2007 1:13:09 PM PST by colonialhk (Harry and Nancy are our best moron allies)
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To: SandRat

I just tal;ked to my brother who lives in Tucson - a pretty liberal guy - a schoolteacher.

He told me that the Tucson sector captures about 600K a year, a fraction that get across.

Last I was in Tucson, a couple years ago, I made the mistake of shopping in a wallymart. I thought I had entered a store in Nogalas Sonora or Naco. The checkers were bi-lingual - they spoke some English.....


26 posted on 11/04/2007 1:18:31 PM PST by ASOC
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To: ASOC

Go to the YUMA Az Wal-Mart and they have to request an English speaker for you.


27 posted on 11/04/2007 1:27:46 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

No thanks, Yuma is just too hot.


28 posted on 11/04/2007 2:12:05 PM PST by ASOC
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To: ASOC
Like this?

The Devil...

29 posted on 11/04/2007 2:14:50 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
Ray Borane, the mayor of Douglas, said the border should be patrolled in order to protect the country, but a fence across the entire southern border is not the answer to the illegal immigration problem.

That would be cocaine Borane. His brother (former) Judge Ronald J. Borane is doing heavy federal time for cocaine smuggling and their was a major tunnel that went from mexico to a building owned by the Boranes.

Of course HE is totally not biased on the issue of a fence. Sure thing.

30 posted on 11/04/2007 3:47:06 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: SandRat

WE DON’T NEED A FENCE !!!!

All that is needed is a line in the sand....step over it and you’re dead. Word gets out and presto....no more problemo!


31 posted on 11/04/2007 4:45:14 PM PST by cowdog77 (" Are there any brave men left in Washington, or are they all cowards?")
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To: Oatka

Good idea...if you don’t mind becoming a target for the drug cartels. The woman in the article spoke as if there’s nothing we can do against the drug-runners due to their bribing and viciousness. That sort of thinking goes against Americanism - getting what’s needed done despite all manner of vile nasties. It can and will be done for preservation, progeny and protection against those determined to recreate Mexico on our soil.

The cartels can buy politicians and police but they can’t buy the American people.


32 posted on 11/04/2007 10:34:40 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: colonialhk

But they kill engines.


33 posted on 11/05/2007 6:00:55 AM PST by wastedyears (One Marine vs. 550 consultants. Sounds like good odds to me.)
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