Skip to comments.Honor The Ten Million Ukrainians Murdered By The Communists
Posted on 11/04/2007 12:41:09 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
On Saturday November 17th, people from New York and surrounding communities will join in honor of the Ten Million people killed by Joseph Stalin in Ukraine.
In 1932-33, Stalin engineered a famine in Ukraine, "Europe's breadbasket." Men, women, and children starved to death. And the New York Times reporter - Walter Durante - announced to the world that a famine was not in full swing though he knew better.
British journalist Malcolm Muggeridge played a key role in summugling out reports of the truth , for which he was expelled from the Soviet Union.
Robert Conquest has written a sad history of these events in Harvest of Shame.
The famine is still a political issue in today's Ukraine. President Yuschenko has courageously tried to set the historical record straight and has infuriated Putin's Russia.
During the years Ukraine suffered under the Communists the Catholic Church and many leaders of the Orthodox Church played important opposition roles to Communist tyranny. Many Bishops and clergy payed with their lives for daring to stand up to the godless rulers.
Therefore, it is fitting that on November 17, people will gather at St. George's Ukrainian Catholic Church (a beautiful Byzatine style Church) on 7th Street between 2nd and 3rd Avenues in Manhattan at 11:45 AM.
They will march to St. Patrick's Cathedral for a Solemn Requiem Service at 2 PM to mark the 75th anniversary of the forced famine.
Having attended several of these services I can attest they are a moving, religious experience.
If you can, come to the March or to the service or both.
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This is an atrocity which deserves remembrance, even if no one who caused it is still alive. It’s something that hasn’t been covered enough in history cources/texts, either.
We are busying ourselves with things that should be taught in the history books. Public expressions like this do little more than insult the current leaders in the nations in question.
China killed 50 million of it’s citizens. It’s a matter of hitory.
The USSR killed 20 million of it’s citizens.
Germany killed upwards of 6 million of it’s citizens.
Cambodia Killed 2 million of it’s citizens.
Turkey killed something like 1 million of it’s citizens.
If we count the casualties of our world wars, we could bump the numbers further.
I don’t think it wise to address issues from the first part of the last century by Congressional proclamation or public parades.
We have enough to deal with in the current time frame, that doesn’t involve distracting our citizens for something they cannot change.
Teaching accurate history should be the goal. Keeping things like this from happening again should be another.
I certainly do not disagree with our nation’s populace being informed via the education system. I do have a problem trying to fight certain battles 75 to 100 years after the fact in the public arena.
This is incorrect. I get the point you were making, but the difference between Nazi Germany and the other regimes listed is that Nazi Germany's ten of millions victims (including most of the 6 Mio murdered Jews) were NOT citizens of Germany but people in the nations conquered, occupied or fought by Germany. By contrast most of the victims in communist systems (China, Soviets, Cambodia, Vietnam) were people within the country.
with regret, i think that there’s little hope for you.
You’re welcome. It occured to me that perhaps some NY Freepers might want to attend.
Sabbatean? Please explain.
“This is an atrocity which deserves remembrance..”
It’s not only in the Ukraine that mass murder was practiced. Wherever communism ruled there was only destruction of human life. All we have to do is look what happened in China under Mao and in Cambodia under Pol Pot and closer by in Cuba. And to think that socialism is merely watered down communism and that it is coming to the US whether we vote democrat or republican.
The Komsomol descended on the land like locusts taking
every head of grain and seed they could ferret out, meanwhile piles of grain lay rotting by the rail heads where it was tagged for export.
They killed every cat and dog, they even killed the nightingales so that the Ukranians wouldn’t know when
spring had arrived, thousands starved, some turned cannibal,
those who were caught hoarding so much as a cup of seed were
either shot on the spot or shipped of to the gulags.
No, the people responsible aren’t around much today, but the ideological brainwashing that made this horror possible is alive and well in Islam and the remaining communist countries.
It's quite a history compiled by Orthodox Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman in his books, To Eliminate the Opiate (Volumes 1 & 2), much of the research for which was done by Gershom Scholem at Hebrew University. Antelman is a hard scientist, not inclined to believe rumors. I'm only about half way through the first volume, but from what I've seen so far, his evidence supporting the existence of an apostate Jewish conspiracy seeking to destroy Judaism, celebrate evil, and wreck general havoc is definitely solid (and no, I'm not talking about The Protocols of the Elders of Zion here, which is an established fraud).
The nexus is Shabbatai Zevi, the last claimant of messianic status among the Jewish Kabbalists in the mid 17th Century. When the Ottoman Turks got wind of his following, they ran him down and "converted" him to Islam at the point of a sword (thus ending his career as "messiah" at least among Jews). Apparently (and unfortunately), that "conversion" didn't end his career as a cult leader. His ideological heirs included the Donmeh in Turkey (later responsible for the Armenian genocide), Frankists in Germany (who were at least partly responsible for communism, the Jacobin French Revolution, and also were affiliated with both the Rothschilds and the Illuminati). As I understand it, Shabbatai still has worshipers to this day, particularly in Turkey.
As I understand Antelman, Shabbatai's followers, the Sabbateans, are an important connection between Babylonian mystery religion, modern atheism, the construction of both "reform" and "conservative" Judaism (as Antelman would put it, "Orthodox" being a tag constructed by the Sabbatean detractors of traditional Torah observant Judaism), and New Age Theosophy (some of which carries links to Shabbatai to this day). Antelman documents it all unequivocally. To read Abraham Geiger's speeches at the birth of reform Judaism, knowing where it has now led, is especially chilling. That Antelman put this all together in 1974, is truly amazing. You can hear a recent interview of him here.
To me, as a member of a messianic Jewish congregation, reading all of this has been particularly unsettling. Antelman describes the reason the Frankists are so evil: they believe that Jews doing evil is the only way messiah will come.
Realizing this brought tears to my eyes. The reason I see so much gratuitous evil is that evil is the objective; there is no way to dissuade a person with that objective by logic.
Messiah will come back all right, and He'll be pissed... at them. As Paul told the Gentiles in Romans, our example of righteousness and love, that Yeshua could save even a Gentile, is the only way to get the children of Israel to see that they missed Him. In that respect, whether or not this all comes to pass is up to us. Needless to say Christians have been particularly counterproductive at delivering upon that mandate. They're trained to disregard anything we might say and evil certainly has delivered sex, money, and power, the allure of which would disincline them further.
How righteous do we have to be? Dear G-d help us.
“Public expressions like this do little more than insult the current leaders in the nations in question.”
Earth to DoughtyOne!
Earth to DoughtyOne!
Genocide is a sufficient reason to not only insult nations but to crush their nuts.
Kapuscinski was born in 1932 and experienced Soviet rule first-hand at about the age of 7. He died last January.
“His ideological heirs included the Donmeh in Turkey (later responsible for the Armenian genocide), Frankists in Germany (who were at least partly responsible for communism, the Jacobin French Revolution, and also were affiliated with both the Rothschilds and the Illuminati). As I understand it, Shabbatai still has worshipers to this day, particularly in Turkey.”
I believe the Marx and Stalin also were influenced by Donmeh advocates.
Yup. My guess is that Miss Nancy's play to PO the Turks into siding with Syria was precisely along those lines.
The correct title is "Harvest of Sorrow". I have the book. Very powerful
There were a lot of ethnic German farmers in the Ukraine. The stories that went back about what life was like under Communism contributed to the rise of Adolf Hitler
As did the attempted communist coup in 1848, and a brief takeover by the Spartakusbund in 1919.
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