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Honor The Ten Million Ukrainians Murdered By The Communists
Red State ^ | November 4, 2007

Posted on 11/04/2007 12:41:09 PM PST by Clintonfatigued

On Saturday November 17th, people from New York and surrounding communities will join in honor of the Ten Million people killed by Joseph Stalin in Ukraine.

In 1932-33, Stalin engineered a famine in Ukraine, "Europe's breadbasket." Men, women, and children starved to death. And the New York Times reporter - Walter Durante - announced to the world that a famine was not in full swing though he knew better.

British journalist Malcolm Muggeridge played a key role in summugling out reports of the truth , for which he was expelled from the Soviet Union.

Robert Conquest has written a sad history of these events in Harvest of Shame.

The famine is still a political issue in today's Ukraine. President Yuschenko has courageously tried to set the historical record straight and has infuriated Putin's Russia.

During the years Ukraine suffered under the Communists the Catholic Church and many leaders of the Orthodox Church played important opposition roles to Communist tyranny. Many Bishops and clergy payed with their lives for daring to stand up to the godless rulers.

Therefore, it is fitting that on November 17, people will gather at St. George's Ukrainian Catholic Church (a beautiful Byzatine style Church) on 7th Street between 2nd and 3rd Avenues in Manhattan at 11:45 AM.

They will march to St. Patrick's Cathedral for a Solemn Requiem Service at 2 PM to mark the 75th anniversary of the forced famine.

Having attended several of these services I can attest they are a moving, religious experience.

If you can, come to the March or to the service or both.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: communism; famine; genocide; ukraine
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1 posted on 11/04/2007 12:41:10 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: kronos77; neverdem; wagglebee; ExTexasRedhead; metmom; sionnsar

This is an atrocity which deserves remembrance, even if no one who caused it is still alive. It’s something that hasn’t been covered enough in history cources/texts, either.


2 posted on 11/04/2007 12:43:06 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: Clintonfatigued

And the New York Times reporter - Walter Durante - announced to the world that a famine was not in full swing though he knew better.

Even then, 70 years ago, the NYT was a pit of liars.

3 posted on 11/04/2007 12:46:30 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Pelosi--pissed off Turkey, supported SCHIP, really jerky, and full of sh|t)
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To: Clintonfatigued

We are busying ourselves with things that should be taught in the history books. Public expressions like this do little more than insult the current leaders in the nations in question.

China killed 50 million of it’s citizens. It’s a matter of hitory.

The USSR killed 20 million of it’s citizens.

Germany killed upwards of 6 million of it’s citizens.

Cambodia Killed 2 million of it’s citizens.

Turkey killed something like 1 million of it’s citizens.

If we count the casualties of our world wars, we could bump the numbers further.

I don’t think it wise to address issues from the first part of the last century by Congressional proclamation or public parades.

We have enough to deal with in the current time frame, that doesn’t involve distracting our citizens for something they cannot change.

Teaching accurate history should be the goal. Keeping things like this from happening again should be another.

I certainly do not disagree with our nation’s populace being informed via the education system. I do have a problem trying to fight certain battles 75 to 100 years after the fact in the public arena.


4 posted on 11/04/2007 12:52:58 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Germany killed upwards of 6 million of it’s citizens.

This is incorrect. I get the point you were making, but the difference between Nazi Germany and the other regimes listed is that Nazi Germany's ten of millions victims (including most of the 6 Mio murdered Jews) were NOT citizens of Germany but people in the nations conquered, occupied or fought by Germany. By contrast most of the victims in communist systems (China, Soviets, Cambodia, Vietnam) were people within the country.

5 posted on 11/04/2007 12:57:32 PM PST by SolidWood ("I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.")
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To: Clintonfatigued

thanks, bfl


6 posted on 11/04/2007 12:59:30 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: DoughtyOne

with regret, i think that there’s little hope for you.


7 posted on 11/04/2007 1:00:02 PM PST by tired1 (responsibility without authority is slavery!)
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To: Clemenza; rmlew; Yehuda; firebrand; PARodrig

ping


8 posted on 11/04/2007 1:09:27 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Clintonfatigued
When the Sabbatean globalists get done with the 21st Century, 10 million will look like a warm-up.
9 posted on 11/04/2007 1:15:10 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: neverdem

You’re welcome. It occured to me that perhaps some NY Freepers might want to attend.


10 posted on 11/04/2007 1:16:01 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: Carry_Okie

Sabbatean? Please explain.


11 posted on 11/04/2007 1:27:57 PM PST by SolidWood ("I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.")
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To: Clintonfatigued

“This is an atrocity which deserves remembrance..”

It’s not only in the Ukraine that mass murder was practiced. Wherever communism ruled there was only destruction of human life. All we have to do is look what happened in China under Mao and in Cambodia under Pol Pot and closer by in Cuba. And to think that socialism is merely watered down communism and that it is coming to the US whether we vote democrat or republican.


12 posted on 11/04/2007 2:06:08 PM PST by 353FMG (Government is the opiate of the masses.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

The Komsomol descended on the land like locusts taking
every head of grain and seed they could ferret out, meanwhile piles of grain lay rotting by the rail heads where it was tagged for export.

They killed every cat and dog, they even killed the nightingales so that the Ukranians wouldn’t know when
spring had arrived, thousands starved, some turned cannibal,
those who were caught hoarding so much as a cup of seed were
either shot on the spot or shipped of to the gulags.

No, the people responsible aren’t around much today, but the ideological brainwashing that made this horror possible is alive and well in Islam and the remaining communist countries.

Even here.


13 posted on 11/04/2007 2:56:30 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: SolidWood; Buggman; calcowgirl
Please explain.

It's quite a history compiled by Orthodox Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman in his books, To Eliminate the Opiate (Volumes 1 & 2), much of the research for which was done by Gershom Scholem at Hebrew University. Antelman is a hard scientist, not inclined to believe rumors. I'm only about half way through the first volume, but from what I've seen so far, his evidence supporting the existence of an apostate Jewish conspiracy seeking to destroy Judaism, celebrate evil, and wreck general havoc is definitely solid (and no, I'm not talking about The Protocols of the Elders of Zion here, which is an established fraud).

The nexus is Shabbatai Zevi, the last claimant of messianic status among the Jewish Kabbalists in the mid 17th Century. When the Ottoman Turks got wind of his following, they ran him down and "converted" him to Islam at the point of a sword (thus ending his career as "messiah" at least among Jews). Apparently (and unfortunately), that "conversion" didn't end his career as a cult leader. His ideological heirs included the Donmeh in Turkey (later responsible for the Armenian genocide), Frankists in Germany (who were at least partly responsible for communism, the Jacobin French Revolution, and also were affiliated with both the Rothschilds and the Illuminati). As I understand it, Shabbatai still has worshipers to this day, particularly in Turkey.

As I understand Antelman, Shabbatai's followers, the Sabbateans, are an important connection between Babylonian mystery religion, modern atheism, the construction of both "reform" and "conservative" Judaism (as Antelman would put it, "Orthodox" being a tag constructed by the Sabbatean detractors of traditional Torah observant Judaism), and New Age Theosophy (some of which carries links to Shabbatai to this day). Antelman documents it all unequivocally. To read Abraham Geiger's speeches at the birth of reform Judaism, knowing where it has now led, is especially chilling. That Antelman put this all together in 1974, is truly amazing. You can hear a recent interview of him here.

To me, as a member of a messianic Jewish congregation, reading all of this has been particularly unsettling. Antelman describes the reason the Frankists are so evil: they believe that Jews doing evil is the only way messiah will come.

Realizing this brought tears to my eyes. The reason I see so much gratuitous evil is that evil is the objective; there is no way to dissuade a person with that objective by logic.

Messiah will come back all right, and He'll be pissed... at them. As Paul told the Gentiles in Romans, our example of righteousness and love, that Yeshua could save even a Gentile, is the only way to get the children of Israel to see that they missed Him. In that respect, whether or not this all comes to pass is up to us. Needless to say Christians have been particularly counterproductive at delivering upon that mandate. They're trained to disregard anything we might say and evil certainly has delivered sex, money, and power, the allure of which would disincline them further.

How righteous do we have to be? Dear G-d help us.

14 posted on 11/04/2007 3:08:42 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“Public expressions like this do little more than insult the current leaders in the nations in question.”

Earth to DoughtyOne!
Earth to DoughtyOne!

Genocide is a sufficient reason to not only insult nations but to crush their nuts.


15 posted on 11/04/2007 4:19:44 PM PST by spanalot
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To: Clintonfatigued
Ryszard Kapuscinski's book Imperium has a section which does an effective job of bringing out the horrors of what the Ukrainians went through in that famine.

Kapuscinski was born in 1932 and experienced Soviet rule first-hand at about the age of 7. He died last January.

16 posted on 11/04/2007 4:29:54 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Carry_Okie

“His ideological heirs included the Donmeh in Turkey (later responsible for the Armenian genocide), Frankists in Germany (who were at least partly responsible for communism, the Jacobin French Revolution, and also were affiliated with both the Rothschilds and the Illuminati). As I understand it, Shabbatai still has worshipers to this day, particularly in Turkey.”

I believe the Marx and Stalin also were influenced by Donmeh advocates.


17 posted on 11/04/2007 4:30:18 PM PST by spanalot
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To: spanalot
I believe the Marx and Stalin also were influenced by Donmeh advocates.

Yup. My guess is that Miss Nancy's play to PO the Turks into siding with Syria was precisely along those lines.

18 posted on 11/04/2007 4:38:53 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Robert Conquest has written a sad history of these events in Harvest of Shame.

The correct title is "Harvest of Sorrow". I have the book. Very powerful

There were a lot of ethnic German farmers in the Ukraine. The stories that went back about what life was like under Communism contributed to the rise of Adolf Hitler

19 posted on 11/04/2007 4:39:33 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty)
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To: SauronOfMordor
The stories that went back about what life was like under Communism contributed to the rise of Adolf Hitler.

As did the attempted communist coup in 1848, and a brief takeover by the Spartakusbund in 1919.

20 posted on 11/04/2007 5:13:32 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: SolidWood

“were NOT citizens of Germany but people in the nations conquered, occupied or fought by Germany.” ........... It also seems that during those occupations the Ukrainians took pleasure in turning in, or eliminating, with German approval, those who had something to do with their plight.


21 posted on 11/04/2007 5:14:39 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Staying home or voting 3rd Party, Elects Hillary!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Communism = Genocide


22 posted on 11/04/2007 5:16:38 PM PST by P.O.E.
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To: G8 Diplomat; Clintonfatigued
And the New York Times reporter - Walter Durante - announced to the world that a famine was not in full swing though he knew better.

Even then, 70 years ago, the NYT was a pit of liars.

And even now, 70 years since, the NY Times continues to ignore the facts, and refuses to denounce Durante for his lies, nor return the Pulitzer Prize they won for his communist propaganda, in the service of Joseph Stalin.

Mark

23 posted on 11/04/2007 5:20:22 PM PST by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I just finished reading the story. A Ukrainian priest taught me Russian when I was a senior in high school. I can barely remember the Cyrillic alphabet now.


24 posted on 11/04/2007 7:37:41 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: MarkL

Anagrams for the New York Times are “It’s Enemy Work” and “Monkeys Write.”


25 posted on 11/04/2007 8:46:13 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Pelosi--pissed off Turkey, supported SCHIP, really jerky, and full of sh|t)
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To: Clintonfatigued


Harvest of Despair
26 posted on 11/04/2007 8:50:27 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: SolidWood

Thanks for the correction. To be honest I wasn’t even sure how many were killed by the Germans in total. And I wasn’t aware how many came from outside the nation either.

Take care.

Look, any of the people killed by their own governments or in instances like Germany going after whole races and classifications, is vile and unacceptable.

I appreciate the response.


27 posted on 11/04/2007 10:56:28 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: tired1

Look, I know where you are coming from. While I understand why some of these marches and calls on Congress to acknowledge past events, I do think we make some mistakes by publicly condemning nations that did things eighty to one hundred years ago.

Am I angry that these people were killed? You bet. Do I think it is helpful to drag out the dirty linen of nations where no person remains who was alive or responsible for the actions taken many moons ago? No.

You will do what you feel that you should. I’m not going to fault you for it. It does sometimes make it difficult for us to maintain relations today, when these things are lofted for inspection now.

I appreciate your take on things. Take care.


28 posted on 11/04/2007 11:02:24 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: tired1

Look, I know where you are coming from. While I understand why some of these marches and calls on Congress to acknowledge past events, I do think we make some mistakes by publicly condemning nations that did things eighty to one hundred years ago.

Am I angry that these people were killed? You bet. Do I think it is helpful to drag out the dirty linen of nations where no person remains who was alive or responsible for the actions taken many moons ago? No.

You will do what you feel that you should. I’m not going to fault you for it. It does sometimes make it difficult for us to maintain relations today, when these things are lofted for inspection now.

I appreciate your take on things. Take care.


29 posted on 11/04/2007 11:02:28 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: spanalot

Do you think we dealt fairly with the Indians during the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries? Do you think we were a remarkably good example of moral standing as it relates to salvery?

I ask these questions because other nation’s citizens could do a little marching of their own. They could demand that the U.S. issue reparations. Is that something that sounds like a winner to you?

I don’t like what happened in other nations, specifically China, Russia, Germany, Cambodia and Vietnam. While I will remember and talk about these events, I won’t be going out into the streets 80 and 100 years after the fact to damn those nation’s leaders. I could be convinced to go out and protest current actions as long as it wouldn’t endanger our troops on the ground in a live war zone.

Thanks for the response.


30 posted on 11/04/2007 11:27:44 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: Carry_Okie

As I understand your statement, there is a sect of Jews who believe they must do evil to make the Messiah come or at least to hasten His return. This sort of belief is similar to apocalyptic Islamists like Ahmahdinejad who believe that by spreading chaos they will hasten the return of the 12th Imam. Do you have names of any presently-living influential Jews who actually believe a Messiah is coming and that they can hasten His return by doing evil?


31 posted on 11/05/2007 8:46:47 AM PST by JG52blackman
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To: JG52blackman
This sort of belief is similar to apocalyptic Islamists like Ahmahdinejad who believe that by spreading chaos they will hasten the return of the 12th Imam.

Correct. It's just as evil too.

Do you have names of any presently-living influential Jews who actually believe a Messiah is coming and that they can hasten His return by doing evil?

Haven't read that far; Antelman's books are organized historically. As I understand it, that list is in Volume 2, although I don't doubt for a minute that it includes the House of Rothschild. Do check out the interview at the link above.

32 posted on 11/05/2007 11:12:46 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“Do you think we dealt fairly with the Indians during the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries?”

yes - and i can see you the old kremlin party line that I ran into in the 70’s - makes me feel young again.

And what part of “The Russians killed 100 million in the last century “ do you not understand?


33 posted on 11/05/2007 6:18:15 PM PST by spanalot
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To: spanalot
Do you think we dealt fairly with the Indians during the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries?

yes - and i can see you the old kremlin party line that I ran into in the 70’s - makes me feel young again.

Well if you think the old Kremlin and the leftists in the United States are the only ones to think we didn't deal with the Indians in an upright manner, I'd have to say I think you have a screw loose.

BTW, I notice you seem to have forgotten the slavery issue.  Cat got your tongue?

And what part of “The Russians killed 100 million in the last century “ do you not understand?

I'd really like to see a source for that.  I'm sure you'll have one I can look at. Thanks in advance.

34 posted on 11/05/2007 7:35:10 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: Cacique; Dad yer funny

BUMP!


35 posted on 11/05/2007 11:16:31 PM PST by Yehuda ("Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!" (Choke on it, pinkos!))
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To: DoughtyOne

“”And what part of “The Russians killed 100 million in the last century “ do you not understand?””

“I’d really like to see a source for that. I’m sure you’ll have one I can look at”

Sure - no problem - my source is the United States of America.

http://www.victimsofcommunism.org/about/


36 posted on 11/06/2007 6:26:29 AM PST by spanalot
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To: DoughtyOne

“Do you think we dealt fairly with the Indians during the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries? Do you think we were a remarkably good example of moral standing as it relates to salvery?”

Let me tell you something about Indians.

In Westfiled, Pa, there is a cliff where they used to set forest fires and panic herds of elf and deer off the top, plunging them to their deaths - they only cut the tongues out and let everything to rot.

Those forest fires sometimes blackened the skies for thousands of miles and destroyed whole states worth of coutryside.

Their approach to nature and other human beings was savage and that is why they were called savages.

Re: slavery, our family were never slave owners and under Holy Mother Russia, we were slaves.

Slavery was legal throughout the world in the 1800’s and my state never allowed slavery. Some states did and that ended in the mid 1800’s.

It continued on in Russia for many years after that - about 100 years in fact.

It continues in Africa and other primitve areas today.


37 posted on 11/06/2007 6:34:43 AM PST by spanalot
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To: spanalot
Thanks for the link. My preception of the U.S.S.R. was that it was an evil state. Religion was supressed. The results were clear.

Stalin put to death some 20 million of his own people, and that's the context for my comments. It seemed to be the context of yours as well. Here is what you said.

"And what part of “The Russians killed 100 million in the last century “ do you not understand?

If you wish to expand that outside the borders of the U.S.S.R., I fully agree that "COMMUNISM" is probably responsible for one hundred million deaths. That isn't what you said.

38 posted on 11/06/2007 9:20:23 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: spanalot

If we’re going to address the overall treatment of the Indians by the United States I would agree with you that probably the largest portion of what happened to them was neutral, natural or justified. There were however some rather unsavory actions taken by the U.S. as it relates to treaties and inhuman incidents on our part.

In the old hay days of the U.S.S.R., they sought to damn the U.S. for the demise of the Indians across the board, and neither of us agrees with that. None the less, I do believe we have to be honest about some of what took place that just wasn’t acceptable.

You relate an incident that the Indians instigated that I find abominable. I’m sure there are many such examples. That doesn’t mitigate some of the things we did.

As for slavery, it doesn’t really matter what other nations did or what takes place until this day. Slavery was wrong and some of our people participated in it. The father of our nation participated in it.

In the context of the day, what Washington and others did was acceptable. I still find it disgusting.

Those who founded our nation weren’t prefect. They did their best to set down statutes and guarantees that our nation would be free and a respector of all peoples. I can’t help but believe that their efforts were intended to end slavery at some future date. Their efforts gave us what I consider to be the best nation the world has ever seen. The attempts today by the left to besmirch them and install other icons to replace them is unforgivable.

It does bother me that some seem to pick at other nation foibles as if our nation didn’t have some of it’s own.

We have grown out of some of our foibles. I suspect some other nations will as well.


39 posted on 11/06/2007 9:37:17 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“I fully agree that “COMMUNISM” is probably responsible for one hundred million deaths”

No, it was Russia and the Kremlin, with its long history of moral depravity, that caused the 100 million deaths - typically at the point of Russian made Kalishnikovs.


40 posted on 11/06/2007 12:04:02 PM PST by spanalot
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To: spanalot

While I do find myself somewhat symapthetic to your arguement it does trouble me that if we place all the blame on Russia, then guys like Chairman Mao, Ho Chi Mhin and Pol Pot and the nations they represented receive somewhat of a pass on their actions.

You can’t deny where the root cause was, but it has been my policy to attack those who did the deeds. Mao purged something like 50 million of his citizens. Mhin was responsible for the deaths of millions as was Pot.

The U.S.S.R. was undeniably and evil state. The world today still suffers the effects of it’s craven nature.

Communism has been a bust where it has raised it’s evil head. Communism was first introduced in Russia, and I suppose it is fair to blame it for all Communist deaths to a degree.

I do think that degree deminishes as states like China matured and continued to slaughter their citizens by their own choice.


41 posted on 11/06/2007 12:48:52 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“that if we place all the blame on Russia, then guys like Chairman Mao, Ho Chi Mhin and Pol Pot and the nations they represented receive somewhat of a pass on their actions.”

Mao was on the Russian payroll since 1924.

Russia has been morally bankrupt since its inception.


42 posted on 11/06/2007 2:59:24 PM PST by spanalot
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To: spanalot

And what year would you peg that to?


43 posted on 11/06/2007 3:26:34 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: spanalot

they used to set forest fires and panic herds of elf and deer off the top, plunging them to their deaths -

My god, not the poor elfs!
Oh the horror, oh the elfumanity!
Why you could hardly make a sandwich with an elf tongue.


44 posted on 11/06/2007 3:30:47 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“And what year would you peg that to?”

Ivan the Terrible was aptly named and his ethics seems to have infected all that followed.


45 posted on 11/06/2007 6:57:34 PM PST by spanalot
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To: DoughtyOne
My grandmother on my dad's side of the family came from one of the German villages along the Volga River in Russia (she was actually born here in the US, but some of her older siblings were born in Russia). Her parents managed to get out of Russia in 1912, but a number of family and friends stayed behind. In the early 1920's, Stalin initiated a campaign to starve these villages out of existence.

If you google "Germans from Russia" you can access a number of letters written from these villages to family members in Germany, Argentina, Canada, and the United States. They are extremely disturbing to read, mentioning these friends who died of starvation and that family that was wiped out by disease, but they are a part of history that should be remembered.

Joseph Stalin was a cruel and vindictive man who ruled with an iron fist. But he is dead and gone, and holding others (who weren't even born at the time) responsible for his actions is stupid.

During the War of 1812, the British burned Washington City, yet they are now one of our greatest allies. How would they react if we suddenly demanded that they pay us for the damage they inflicted on Washington almost 200 years ago?

46 posted on 11/06/2007 7:18:11 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (The Hunt for FRed November. 11/04/08)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Per Joseph Stalin: “One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic”


47 posted on 11/06/2007 7:30:18 PM PST by Cracker Jack (If it weren't for the democrats, republicans would be the worst thing in Washington.)
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To: spanalot

The Russians killed 100 million in the last century


NOt Russians...Soviet Commies among which were Ukrainian and Georgians and Uzbeks and Polish and etc.

Russians suffered the most under Soviet Leninist Marxism


48 posted on 11/06/2007 7:36:30 PM PST by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: spanalot

Mao was on the Russian payroll since 1924.

Russia has been morally bankrupt since its inception.


You are very confused.

Mao was on the Soviet payroll since 1924. Soviet—as in Communist—Russia no longer existed in 1924.

As for the bankrupt statement—I will not dignify that one with a response


49 posted on 11/06/2007 7:40:00 PM PST by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: spanalot

100 millions dead at the hands of communists..not Russians...do not distort history like the libs do


50 posted on 11/06/2007 7:44:04 PM PST by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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