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Dollar's climb sparks fears of economic disconnect
Globe and Mail ^ | 2 November 2007 | TARA PERKINS

Posted on 11/04/2007 1:15:45 PM PST by shrinkermd

The rocket-propelled Canadian dollar flew past $1.07 (U.S.) Friday, fuelled by strong economic data that have many forecasters wondering whether the economy is decoupling from its troubled southern neighbour.

Canada churned out five times more jobs than expected last month, a stellar showing that sparked a number of forecasts that the loonie is on its way to $1.10, as the greenback continues to dive.

While that's good news for Canadians who are planning to travel to the United States this holiday season, it will likely mean more pain for manufacturers, exporters and the tourist industry on this side of the border.

A speedy rise in the currency's value is concerning because of its effect on business, which has trouble planning in a volatile environment, Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said Friday. There is mounting pressure on the Bank of Canada to reduce interest rates in order to cool the situation, but he suggested that's not the solution.

(Excerpt) Read more at reportonbusiness.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: c; canada; dollar; economy

1 posted on 11/04/2007 1:15:46 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

funny they could write a whole article about the climbing looney and not mention that 85% of canada’s exports go to the US.


2 posted on 11/04/2007 1:21:38 PM PST by jjw
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To: jjw; Toddsterpatriot; Mase; expat_panama

Canada exports? I thought China does it all.


3 posted on 11/04/2007 1:25:48 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: shrinkermd

The $CA has been moving steadily higher against the $US for a month. Really much longer but there was a time when the stores wouldn’t take Canadian small change here because it was worth only 70% of US small change. Good thing American investments are global now.


4 posted on 11/04/2007 1:29:31 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: shrinkermd

The dollar is going the way of the Mexican peso. Pretty soon tourists from Europe and Canada will be saying, “How much is that in REAL money?”


5 posted on 11/04/2007 1:31:03 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
Perhaps. But if you have floating exchange rates there is no way to correct for trade imbalances without relative currency value changes.

America has been the consumer of last resort for at least 50 years with outsiders able to always sell their services and products for currency much more valuable than their own. This is no longer the case. American imports should decrease some (except for petroleum and other energy) but the big change will come in exports.

6 posted on 11/04/2007 1:41:47 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
This is no longer the case. American imports should decrease some (except for petroleum and other energy) but the big change will come in exports.

And how much of the rise in crude is due to simple devaluation of the U.S. dollar and not due to other economic and/or market factors?

7 posted on 11/04/2007 1:55:58 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: durasell
Trade deficit, Trade DEFICIT, TRADE DEFICIT!!!!!
8 posted on 11/04/2007 2:00:11 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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To: shrinkermd

...exports and tourism. The hotels here in NYC are cleaning up — charging $900 or $1,000 a night for what used to go for $400 or $500. The other day I saw a pair of German tourists buy 10 iPods at a chain electronics store, marveling and laughing at how cheap they were.

However, I don’t see what exports — other than aggie products — will benefit on a large scale.


9 posted on 11/04/2007 2:00:45 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Who are you and what have you done with the real Toddster?


10 posted on 11/04/2007 2:01:34 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
$800 billion, we’re DOOMED!!!!
11 posted on 11/04/2007 2:03:10 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Are you the cheap, Chinese version of the Toddster?


12 posted on 11/04/2007 2:04:50 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
However, I don’t see what exports — other than aggie products — will benefit on a large scale.

There may be a few here. What do you think?

U.S. Exports to World (Total)

13 posted on 11/04/2007 2:06:48 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I think we’re selling more jewelry and diamonds — essentially artisan type products — than many manufactured goods.


14 posted on 11/04/2007 2:10:44 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

Planes my friend, planes... Airbust planes are now 45% more expensive than the Boeing aircraft. And with Boeing’s offerings being typically more fuel efficient per passenger mile than the equivalent Airbust option, that swings it even more in our favor.

Airbust is getting billions in subsidies just to try to stay competitive; Boeing is selling out at a record pace. That continues for a few years, and Airbust is going to go away. It’s already putting huge economic pressures on Germany and France, and only getting worse.


15 posted on 11/04/2007 2:25:02 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Tagline: Kinda like a chorus line but without the legs)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

I agree.

However, I tend to think in an older version of American manufacturing. You know, the thousands of factories all over the country turning out TVs, wrist watches, dining room tables etc. It is difficult to get my mind around the fact that no longer exists to any great degree.


16 posted on 11/04/2007 2:30:47 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell; PugetSoundSoldier

17 posted on 11/04/2007 2:32:44 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

That chart is a decade old.


18 posted on 11/04/2007 2:34:01 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

It isn’t a decade old, but why is it measured in 1997 dollars?


19 posted on 11/04/2007 2:34:44 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
To make the totals look smaller.
20 posted on 11/04/2007 2:37:04 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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To: jjw
Stephan Harper, the new Prime Minister of Canada, is very conservative (at least, for Canada, ---a sort of Canadian Sarkozy)

Did they suggest what role conservative principles might be playing in Canada's recovery?

21 posted on 11/04/2007 2:41:24 PM PST by cookcounty (Murtha, World's Dumbest Marine Officer, --He can't find Okinawa on a map..)
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To: shrinkermd

Once the US gets the housing situation under control, the greenback will come roaring back. But in the meantime, the weak dollar is doing great things for bottom lines of many US corporations. The cheap dollar means the DOW will continue to rise.


22 posted on 11/04/2007 2:44:01 PM PST by Always Right
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To: shrinkermd

It’s always enjoyable to see the ignorant, bigotry, stupidity and resultant glee of so many Canadians as expressed in the comments section of this piece on the Globe site. It’s truly amazing how angry and clueless they are about apparently _anything_ going on with the U.S.


23 posted on 11/04/2007 3:19:45 PM PST by Sandreckoner
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To: shrinkermd

We Americans didn’t steal the name Thaler from the Germans, we adapted it. Why do these mini economies like Canada, Hong Kong, New Zealand , etc ,etc, get to call their cowerie shells DOLLARS?


24 posted on 11/04/2007 3:28:23 PM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: durasell

Yep. That stuff is all made in factories in China. Typically owned in part or wholly by US or Taiwanese corporations. We’ve just shifted locations of the factories, and use cheaper labor, that’s all...

Yes, I travel to China a lot (live there 18 weeks of the year), and work with these factories nearly every day. On the whole, I’d say our economy is better BECAUSE of the move to production overseas. Yes, we have lost some blue collar jobs, but we’ve gained a tremendous amount of white collar jobs, and improved our standard of living without requiring massive increases income (consider that a 27” color TV is 1/4 the price of a 19” color TV from 15 years ago).


25 posted on 11/04/2007 3:30:16 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Tagline: Kinda like a chorus line but without the legs)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

I would still prefer to not see the decline of blue collar America. Obviously, world economic forces do not take my preferences into account.


26 posted on 11/04/2007 3:53:14 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: shrinkermd

There won’t be any big “economic disconnect.” Canadians will simply get more money for their products—especially those products that will cost far more to freight from overseas countries. All-in-all, the rising currency will make Canada richer.


27 posted on 11/04/2007 4:44:25 PM PST by familyop
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To: durasell; shrinkermd
The dollar is going the way of the Mexican peso.

Actually, even the Mexican peso is worth more than the American dollar.

28 posted on 11/04/2007 5:55:04 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: durasell; shrinkermd

My mistake—the dollar is still worth a little more than the peso.


29 posted on 11/04/2007 5:57:17 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason; durasell; shrinkermd; Fan of Fiat
Actually, even the Mexican peso is worth more than the American dollar.

9.4 cents is still less than a dollar.

30 posted on 11/04/2007 5:59:24 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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To: Always Right

The Dow should be absolutely scorching higher, scratching my head a bit why it’s not? Financial stocks aren’t helping the cause for sure. But hey, their billions of dollars of losses, are in discounted dollars at least!


31 posted on 11/04/2007 5:59:49 PM PST by Professional
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To: durasell

How funny!!!!!!!!!


32 posted on 11/04/2007 6:10:06 PM PST by texastoo ((((((USA)))))((((((, USA))))))((((((. USA))))))))
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To: Sandreckoner
Not so enjoyable for thinking Canadians.

Chrysler is at Windsor, Ontario. Just laid off 12,000 employees or about to. Neither here nor there, but I just bought a 2007 Caravan locally in Canada. I dealt the same dealer for 29 years. T'was a demonstrator though- lovely deal and all.

The chortling about getting the same for thousands less by using America, is all very well, but the bottom line is jobs.

I am tired myself of all the silly talk. My newspaper of choice is the National Post, not the Grope and Flail. LOL

33 posted on 11/04/2007 6:10:40 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: shrinkermd
I took the time to read the first twenty or so comments attached to the Globe and Mail article.

Whoa there, says I, there appears to be some trepidation on the part of a number of Canadian viewpoints. I dare say a few tub thumpers will talk about a Canadian "Celtic Tiger".

I live in a border city. Our tourist trade took a bit of a whacking this summer. Our big attraction, the Train ride up to the Agawa Canyon relies on American tourists.

One needs to have a job, before one can tootle off to - oh yeah-Walmart, the one over the river and not our local one.

34 posted on 11/04/2007 6:58:59 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: durasell

Ever work in a factory? 10 minutes seems like a day and the bell is all you wait for. Another day gone down the drain.


35 posted on 11/04/2007 9:47:49 PM PST by jwh_Denver (No I ain't got no damn milk, so quit asking me.)
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To: jwh_Denver

I have. And at the time I was happy to have the job.


36 posted on 11/05/2007 4:55:53 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
On working in a factory.

I get your drift. I worked on a T/V production line in Toronto many, many moons ago. One and a quarter minutes each operation. The chassis would all move down at the bell. The women seemed very happy. They would sing and chat, nobody minded. True they were supporting their spouse. Some men were not quite so with it. Still I ate through the winter and paid my board.

The lower American dollar would obviously benefit American manufacturing exports. Boeing has a big contract with India. The downside is that like Canada, the manufacturing industry has to some extent gone to hell in a handbasket.

On the bright side, is the fact that American ingenuity could quickly revitalize old plants. Surely this mass import of goods from the likes of China cannot last forever. When boasts are made about jobs, jobs and more jobs, thus who cares about imports? the true fact is obscured.

How many new jobs pay a living wage?

37 posted on 11/05/2007 7:50:06 AM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra

How many new jobs pay a living wage?


A lot, unfortunately they are all “knowledge-based” jobs that require highly-specialized skill sets.


38 posted on 11/05/2007 7:55:07 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
That chart is a decade old.

2005 was over a dacade ago? I guess I need to brush up on my math.

39 posted on 11/07/2007 5:58:03 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: durasell

In order to compare year to year figures, you have to correct for inflation. Otherwise, currency value changes distort the comparison and give wrong information.


40 posted on 11/07/2007 5:59:25 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: jjw

A huge percentage of those exports is Oil.


41 posted on 11/13/2007 7:27:23 AM PST by optik_b (follow the money)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

The wing (the most complex and important part of the aircraft) for the Dreamliner 787 is built in Japan.


42 posted on 11/13/2007 7:30:07 AM PST by optik_b (follow the money)
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