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Brutal Japanese Soldiers Butchered 20,000 Allied Seamen in Cold Blood
Daily Mail ^ | November 3, 2007 | Daily Mail Staff

Posted on 11/04/2007 11:04:40 PM PST by america4vr

Japan's War Crimes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

Sex Slaves of Japan's Imperial Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women

The perpetrators of some of the worst atrocities of the Second World War remain alive and unpunished in Japan according to a damning new book.

Painstaking research by British historian Mark Felton reveals that the wartime behaviour of the Japanese Navy was far worse than their counterparts in Hitler's
Kriegsmarine. According to Felton, officers of the Imperial Japanese Navy ordered the deliberately sadistic murders of more than 20,000 Allied seamen and
countless civilians in cold-blooded defiance of the Geneva Convention.

"Many of the Japanese sailors who committed such terrible deeds are still alive today," he said."No one and nothing has bothered these men in six decades.
There is only one documented case of a German U-boat skipper being responsible for cold-blooded murder of survivors. In the Japanese Imperial Navy,
it was official orders."


Atrocity The Japanese executing prisoners

Felton has compiled a chilling list of atrocities. He said: "The Japanese Navy sank Allied merchant and Red Cross vessels,
then murdered survivors floating in the sea or in lifeboats.

"Allied air crew were rescued from the ocean and then tortured to death on the decks of ships. "Naval landing parties
rounded up civilians then raped and massacred them. Some were taken out to sea and fed to sharks. Others were killed
by sledge-hammer, bayonet, beheading, hanging, drowning, burying alive, burning or crucifixion.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: japan; warcrimes; worldwar2
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Japan's obstinacy in coming to grips with its horrific WWII conduct, to acknowledge the immorality of its behavior, the enslavement of the nations it conquered,
the brutality of the peoples it has historically looked down upon with contempt as being inferior, will forever stain their nation's soul in the eyes of the civilized world.

Even today Japan, its culture, manifest the same smug, elitist attitude they've harbored about themselves throughout history, still worshiping the kamikaze fighters of
WWII as heroes and gods. The manner in which they've stonewalled any attempt by surviving Korean comfort women to seek redress against the government
emphatically demonstrates how they are wholly bereft of any remorse, compassion or semblance of humanity.

Japan displayed every bit the brutality, savagery, inhumanity as their fellow Axis partner, Nazi Germany, yet observe the dichotomy in the manner in which their
post war attitudes differ so remarkably.

Yet with all that encompasses the vast voluminous storehouse of historical proof, evidence documenting the unprecedented Japanese horror and brutality, they have
the brazen, unmitigated gall to milk whatever emotional capital the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki can muster in proclaiming themselves pitiful, hapless victims
of a merciless US war machine taking out its vengeance on the innocent.

These were our men, our sailors, our boys, whom the Japanese massacred. Every time I see a glorious mushroom cloud I think of those who needlessly died at the
hands of these butchers. "This one's for you, boys"

I don't ever want to hear another maudlin, nauseating pukefest whereby Hiroshima, Nagasaki are labeled as atrocities.

War is Hell.

The Japs gave us war, we gave them hell.

1 posted on 11/04/2007 11:04:43 PM PST by america4vr
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To: america4vr

The Japs richly deserved the fire bombings and the nuclear bombings.


2 posted on 11/04/2007 11:08:23 PM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: america4vr

3 posted on 11/04/2007 11:16:07 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: america4vr
Yesterday's post on the same article: link.

Over 300+ comments.

4 posted on 11/04/2007 11:30:52 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: america4vr

Well said.


5 posted on 11/04/2007 11:39:43 PM PST by mmanager (Fred is choosing the field for battle and he likes the view.)
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To: america4vr

and the nips of today moan and complain about Hiroshima....
It should have been Tokyo


6 posted on 11/04/2007 11:40:25 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: america4vr

Butchered and ate. Read the book Flyboys. Its about the attack on Iwo Jima and Chichi Jima. Canabalism by officers.


7 posted on 11/04/2007 11:46:31 PM PST by Delacon (“The attempt to make heaven on earth invariably produces hell ” Karl Popper)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Sorry about the re-post.

You know, I’ve gotten in the habit of always doing a search to check if it’s already been posted but unfortunately neglected to do it for this article, the freshness of the article convincing me it was new to FR.

I MUST remember NOT to trust my intuition on these things.


8 posted on 11/04/2007 11:47:16 PM PST by america4vr
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To: america4vr
Have you ever used the key word search here? Next time, try using the keyword search before you post such a duplicate. Alive and safe, the brutal Japanese soldiers who butchered 20,000 Allied seamen in cold blood
9 posted on 11/05/2007 12:46:33 AM PST by Wiz
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

There are people who even don’t know how to use key word search.


10 posted on 11/05/2007 12:47:27 AM PST by Wiz
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To: LeoWindhorse

It WAS Tokyo; very likely a million killed, the 80K figures you read are BS. Tokyo had a population density of at least 150K per square mile and they incinerated 16 square miles of it. Somebody caught in that **** would have been clueless as to which direction to run with a 50% chance he’d be running INTO it. People who sought refuge in the river were boiled alive.


11 posted on 11/05/2007 1:36:51 AM PST by damondonion
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To: damondonion
Many people who went to the river made it out alive.
All the luck of the draw, I guess.

Although the causalities figures were hopeless estimates, they were made by the Japanese at the time.

And they were ready for far more.


12 posted on 11/05/2007 1:52:03 AM PST by bill1952 ("all that we do is done with an eye towards something else." - Aristotle)
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To: Wiz; america4vr
Comment 4 was not intended to be critical of the re-post; apparently it was sort of taken that way.....

It was to (in a friendly-ish manner) point america4vr and readers to extra comments which have already been made.

13 posted on 11/05/2007 1:52:50 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: bill1952

If you read the comments in the link in comment 4, you’ll see some freepers who consider the Japanese to be beasts.


14 posted on 11/05/2007 1:54:39 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: america4vr

My Uncle spent the war in a Nazi camp (he was an American pilot) but he talked about how grateful he was to only be with the Nazi instead of the Japanese.

He never got over how Americans could buy cars from that Japanese after that. To this day the Japanese leadership expresses “regret” instead of taking responsibility.

But, in principle, humans don’t like to think about the bad things in their past. I don’t like to think about what my ancestors may have done to Indians or blacks, for example.

And we did hold 2,000 trials and execute 1,000+ of the Japanese dependents. And almost half a trillion dollars of Japanese assets were seized as compensation.

And today they act as allies, more faithful than average allies.

My Grand Daddy was a live and let live, forgive but not forget Christian and I think he’d say this was one of those times. We should try to forgive with all our hearts - its good for us. But we remember and pass on the lessons to our children.


15 posted on 11/05/2007 2:02:45 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

>...you’ll see some freepers who consider the Japanese to be beasts.

How many millions of Japanese heads did they chop off?


16 posted on 11/05/2007 2:09:24 AM PST by bill1952 ("all that we do is done with an eye towards something else." - Aristotle)
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To: america4vr

bump


17 posted on 11/05/2007 2:10:28 AM PST by sport
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To: sport

I very much appreciate the bump. There are many freepers out there who may not have seen the first posting (including myself)

Thanks again.


18 posted on 11/05/2007 2:29:36 AM PST by america4vr
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To: bill1952
From a standpoint of pure simple logic I don't see how anybody comes up with or believes the 80 - 100K figures which you read. If everybody simply dropped whatever they were doing and started running at the first air raid siren, which is highly unlikely, I'd figure a half a million; in real life I'd view the estimate of a million as conservative.

Granted Japanese conduct during the war was abominable, they have to figure that the score is at least even. Moreover, if the chief beneficiaries of the Pacific war were the regimes which have controlled North Korea and China thereafter, then at least some people are going to ask what the Japanese could have had in mind to make life any worse for people in those countries.

19 posted on 11/05/2007 2:35:10 AM PST by damondonion
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To: america4vr

I guess this would only be a surprise to the japs who insist on rewriting history and claim they are innnnocent in such atrocities.


20 posted on 11/05/2007 2:35:23 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: bill1952
What does that have to do with the price of eggs?

The Chinese are not animals.

Neither are the Japanese.

Your post suggests that Japanese being brought up to consider the Chinese as beasts led to them considering it acceptable to slaughter the Chinese as beasts.

Can you not see the correlation to people referring to the Japanese (or Muslims while at it) as beasts leading them to consider it acceptable to slaughter Japanese (or Muslims) as beasts are slaughtered.

It was bad when the Japanese considered the Chinese to be animals in and of itself

And it is bad when freepers consider the Japanese (or Muslims) to be animals in and of itself.

No double standards.

21 posted on 11/05/2007 2:35:32 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: america4vr

I’ve posted in the past of how really bad the japaneese were in WWII.
That I still refrain from purchasing thing made in Japan if possible and have been excoriated by others for not “getting over it”.
Well the japs still to this day refuse to take responsibilities for attrocities they committed before and during the war.
Fact is their attrocities have been expunged from their history books if the info ever was their.
Now as fro that little rape of Nanking thing.


22 posted on 11/05/2007 2:52:10 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: america4vr
From the article:

According to Blears: "One guy, they cut off his head halfway and let him flop around on the deck. The others I saw, they just lopped them off with one slice and threw them overboard. The Japanese were laughing and one even filmed the whole thing with a cine camera."

Blears waited for his turn, then pulled his hands out of his bindings and dived overboard amid machine-gun fire.

He swam for hours until he found a lifeboat, in which he was joined by two other officers and later an Indian crewman who had escaped alone after 22 of his fellow countrymen had been tied to a rope behind the I-8 and dragged to their deaths as it dived underwater.

Felton said: "Most disturbing is the Japanese amnesia about their war record and senior politicians' outrageous statements about the war and their rewriting of history. "The Japanese murdered 30million civilians while "liberating" what it called the Greater East-Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere from colonial rule. About 23million of these were ethnic Chinese.

"It's a crime that in sheer numbers is far greater than the Nazi Holocaust. In Germany, Holocaust denial is a crime. In Japan, it is government policy. But the evidence against the navy – precious little of which you will find in Japan itself – is damning."

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And the first comment posted on the Daily Mail site:

However, regardless of the extent of evil within the Japanese armed forces, it is never an excuse or justification for the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Reading these stories may provoke your deep emotions, but action is always judged according to intention; and indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians can never be excused. Atrocities have been committed on both sides of that war, evil against evil; fighting fire with fire. See it for what it is and excuse neither side.

- Junaid, Bradford, UK

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Notice that even when confronted head on with brutal evidence of evil, the Left always hems and haws - seeking moral equivalence when it doesn't exist.

23 posted on 11/05/2007 3:38:10 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: CarrotAndStick

I liked the movie. Saw it on the big screen and got the DVD when it came out.


24 posted on 11/05/2007 3:49:45 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

'nuff said, dude!

25 posted on 11/05/2007 3:52:16 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (“We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!” --Duncan Hunter)
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To: CarrotAndStick
The Great Raid was a helluva movie.

It beat the heck out of clint eastwood's movies about Iwo Jima. Those were disgraceful to American soldiers who fought in the Pacific.

26 posted on 11/05/2007 4:05:20 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: SkyPilot
However, regardless of the extent of evil within the Japanese armed forces, it is never an excuse or justification for the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I agree with you.

This statement is nonsense. The atomic bombs actually saved more lives than it took. Had we invaded the mainland of Japan, casualties on both sides would have been enormous.

Cheers

27 posted on 11/05/2007 4:10:33 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: Joe Boucher

I’m not very knowledgeable about WWII war with Japan. Were criminal trials not held for them the way they were for the Nazi’s? And if so, WHY NOT???


28 posted on 11/05/2007 4:21:02 AM PST by proudofthesouth (Liberals want to turn this country and the world back into a feudal society.)
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To: proudofthesouth
Were criminal trials not held for them the way they were for the Nazi’s? And if so, WHY NOT???

Yes: the "Nuremburg East" trials were held at Sugamo, a prison in Tokyo. The perps cited in this story were apparently some who were missed.

29 posted on 11/05/2007 4:32:40 AM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: damondonion
It WAS Tokyo; very likely a million killed, the 80K figures you read are BS. Tokyo had a population density of at least 150K per square mile and they incinerated 16 square miles of it. Somebody caught in that **** would have been clueless as to which direction to run with a 50% chance he’d be running INTO it. People who sought refuge in the river were boiled alive.

Ain't karma a B**CH! Too bad we don't teach the Moosies the same lesson. The Japs deserved evey round...no matter how big or small.

30 posted on 11/05/2007 4:43:49 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: LeoWindhorse

The Imperial Palace should have been ground zero in Tokyo.


31 posted on 11/05/2007 4:45:13 AM PST by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

Slammites rate it more than the Japanese did. The Japanese had the decency to have their own national insignia on their planes over Pearl Harbor, i.e. nobody had to sit around for five days trying to guess or figure out who did it.


32 posted on 11/05/2007 5:24:52 AM PST by damondonion
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To: Northern Yankee

Allied leaders weren’t totally stupid and nobody was going to invade Japan after Okinawa. If the two A bombs had failed the next step probably would have been nerve gas.


33 posted on 11/05/2007 5:28:02 AM PST by damondonion
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To: freeangel
People who were not born, or who were children, or who were noncombatants, etc. probably aren't guilty of doing atrocities.

You have to get into the Liberal doctrine of "group guilt" to hold the innocent accountable for the crimes commited by others.

I'm not a Liberal. I hope you aren't either. If you are, you should be discussing this issue with your own kind somewhere else. This is a Conservative board and Individual accountability is considered a fundamental human responsibility and right.

34 posted on 11/05/2007 5:30:13 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: america4vr

It feels like December 7th here in Boston today. There’s a little Nip in the air.


35 posted on 11/05/2007 5:37:42 AM PST by HenpeckedCon (Can I please freep just a little while longer Dear?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

“And it is bad when freepers consider the Japanese (or Muslims) to be animals in and of itself.”

Sorry, but no one can properly fight a war without considering their enemy to be sub-human. To win you must inflict more death and destruction than they can tolerate until they beg for it to end. You can’t do that if you see him as just a misguided soul. Thats the problem we have today, the media humanizes the enemy so much that we cannot truly defeat them. That said, it doesn’t mean that enemy soldiers/civilians can be tortured, abused or wantonly slaughterered once captured and disarmed.

God Bless the United States of America, and death to all her enemies.


36 posted on 11/05/2007 5:47:23 AM PST by Hacklehead (I'm not here to make friends.)
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To: SkyPilot

This is the thing about the left. There is no justification for war, unless they come up with the justification themselves.

I was following a car, and there was a ‘Free Tibet’ bumper sticker, right next to a bumper sticker with ‘Peace is Patriotic’.

Now, I’m thinking, “How are you going to Free Tibet from China peacefully?”

I’ve always wanted to make a bumper sticker that goes “Surrender is Unpatriotic”


37 posted on 11/05/2007 5:51:11 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: america4vr; 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten; 359Henrie; 6323cd; 75thOVI; Adrastus; A message; abb; ACelt; ...
To all: please ping me to threads that are relevant to the MilHist list (and/or) please add the keyword "MilHist" to the appropriate thread. Thanks in advance.

Please FREEPMAIL indcons if you want on or off the "Military History (MilHist)" ping list.

38 posted on 11/05/2007 5:54:00 AM PST by indcons
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To: HenpeckedCon

I suppose (day of) “infamy” has a cold, bone-chilling character all its own.


39 posted on 11/05/2007 6:17:29 AM PST by america4vr
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

If memory serves me right, the 3rd picture is that of an Australian who killed an Indonesian? harbor boat captain during a secret mission. They made a movie out of the incident. However, many of our pilots met the same fate if captured. Some even became dinning fare. Read “Fly Boys”.


40 posted on 11/05/2007 7:10:27 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Staying home or voting 3rd Party, Elects Hillary!)
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To: Hacklehead
Sorry, but no one can properly fight a war without considering their enemy to be sub-human. To win you must inflict more death and destruction than they can tolerate until they beg for it to end. You can’t do that if you see him as just a misguided soul. Thats the problem we have today, the media humanizes the enemy so much that we cannot truly defeat them. That said, it doesn’t mean that enemy soldiers/civilians can be tortured, abused or wantonly slaughterered once captured and disarmed.

God Bless the United States of America, and death to all her enemies.

Exactly correct, the enemy by definition is sub-human, if not then 'diplomacy' would work. Unless you want a gentlemenly type war where we line up and volley and accept losses equally and shake hands after every battle, then its got to be a merciless program of death and destruction until they say uncle.

Unfortunately, when we reach that point I still dont think we will be secure, as our enemy has no moral code to exist in the world with infidels, so the slaughter will have to keep going and going ...

41 posted on 11/05/2007 7:32:45 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (A few Rams must look after the sheep 'til the Good Shepherd returns...)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

“And it is bad when freepers consider the Japanese (or Muslims) to be animals in and of itself.

No double standards.

Sorry, you are looking for FR circa 1999, please adjust your time machine accordingly.


42 posted on 11/05/2007 7:40:24 AM PST by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
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To: Gilbo_3

“Unless you want a gentlemenly type war where we line up and volley and accept losses equally and shake hands after every battle, then its got to be a merciless program of death and destruction until they say uncle. “

The Israeli-palestinian conflict is a good example of how not to fight a war. Since the Israelis are not willing to crush the palis into a fine paste so as to MAKE IT CLEAR TO THEM THEY ARE DEFEATED, the killing has gone on for 40 years and has probably cost many more lives on both sides than a quick, brutal, decisive victory.


43 posted on 11/05/2007 7:53:57 AM PST by Hacklehead (I'm not here to make friends.)
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To: indcons

Anyone wanting to “apologize” for Hiroshima and Nagasaki needs to be reminded of this — and then impeached or otherwise recalled from office. Thanks indcons.


44 posted on 11/05/2007 8:11:53 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, October 22, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
>What does that have to do with the price of eggs?

Because it just talk and banter.

It is not the product of decades of similar teachings in a closed society and governmental system that ultimately led to the murder and death of tens of millions of people.

The FReepers are not running at the japs with sabers to behead them, and there is zero comparison unless you no longer believe that there is a difference between free speech and mass murder.

>Your post suggests that Japanese being brought up to consider the Chinese as beasts led to them considering it acceptable to slaughter the Chinese as beasts.


45 posted on 11/05/2007 10:12:33 AM PST by bill1952 ("all that we do is done with an eye towards something else." - Aristotle)
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To: SunkenCiv

You’re welcome, Sunken Civ. As you mentioned in a post on an earlier thread, the use of atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved not only Allied lives but also Japanese ones.


46 posted on 11/05/2007 10:15:10 AM PST by indcons
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To: proudofthesouth

Because the U.S. didn’t want to leave Japan in a way that would lead to WWIII like Europe did to Germany after WW I


47 posted on 11/05/2007 11:30:01 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: muawiyah

I’m not holding innocents accountable for doing atrocities. I am, however, holding the Japanese responsible for whitewashing history books in making themselves look like victims.


48 posted on 11/05/2007 11:37:11 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: indcons; SunkenCiv

Take the numbers of Allied, Japanese and Japanese civilian casualties from the horror of Okinawa and multiply by the ratio of the Okinawa population to that of the Japanese home islands to get some idea of the slaughter that the invasion would have wrought. And bear in mind many of the civilian casualties were suicides brought on by the Japanese propaganda about American servicemen. The casualties from the A-bombs pale by comparison.


49 posted on 11/05/2007 12:32:51 PM PST by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: freeangel
About 99% of the whitewashing charges come from Chicoms.

Doesn't mean they're wrong, but we need much better sources for the charge than the Chicoms or their running dog lackeys in the Western media.

50 posted on 11/05/2007 12:57:15 PM PST by muawiyah
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